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==Having franchises go international==
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{{Permission|ask}} International franchises wishing to do business in the Federal States and domestic franchises wishing to go international are subject to certain restrictions.

'''Foreign companies should not be added to the list''' and should have minimal presence at this time. Companies that already had a presence before July 2023 will not be removed but should also not be expanded further.

For domestic franchises that wish to expand beyond the Federal States:

* Industries (a separate category) that wish to go international should simply apply below. Representation across the Federal States in some way and/or notable international usage prior to the creation of the new index page is needed.

* Franchises may be used by mappers in neighboring countries in southern Archanta ({{Ardencia}}, Astrasia, {{Deodeca}}, {{Mecyna}}, {{Piscipula}}, and Randalia) if those mappers wish, provided that the franchise is represented in 3 or more states within the region adjacent to that territory. No further FSA coordinator or admin approval is needed for users in those territories to expand franchises internationally there.

* Franchises that wish to go global and be included on the [[Index:International business listing|international business listing for global use]] must meet certain requirements. The business must be represented in 12 or more states and by at least 25 unique locations across those 12. Even then, they have to ask the coordinators for permission to be included on the list just to ensure that certain states or mappers are not severely overrepresented. Any franchise/industry that has already spread to 7+ nations from before the index page was created can also apply for a slot on the international listing.
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===International applications===
Franchises that go international should place a note here, so we can do proper bookkeeping for the future. Please note the requirements above. &mdash; [[User:Alessa|Alessa]] <sub>([[User talk:Alessa|talk]])</sub> 15:03, 1 August 2023 (UTC)

: Huckelberry's - I would like to nominate Huckelberry's to be an international brand from the FSA. This fast food restaurant has locations in 18 states (17 owned/collab & 1 vacant). Additionally, Huckelberry's has over 30 mapped locations outside of Clamash (50 locations ) and Michisaukee (12 locations) (I mapped all of the locations in Clamash, and the majority in Michisaukee). Huckelberry's also has locations in seven countries outside of the FSA. [[User:Glauber|Glauber]] ([[User talk:Glauber|talk]]) 19:51, 1 August 2023 (UTC)
:: This is one that completely makes sense and is approved on the grounds of its preexisting content as well. Please feel free to ensure the headquarters is appropriately tagged, so that it appears on the international listing. Also feel free to create a logo for it or ask someone to help with that. &mdash; [[User:Alessa|Alessa]] <sub>([[User talk:Alessa|talk]])</sub> 20:45, 1 August 2023 (UTC)
::: Thank you, I currently do not have permissions to edit the international business listing. I will get the headquarters tagged appropriatley, and the logo uploaded. [[User:Glauber|Glauber]] ([[User talk:Glauber|talk]]) 15:14, 8 August 2023 (UTC)

: Ember - Hi, I'd like to nominate Ember to be an international brand. This company produces computers and consumer electronics like headphones. It has around 34 locations (25 stores and 9 offices across 13 states) in the Federal States and 35 locations (29 and 9 offices across 13 countries) elsewhere in the world. Thanks. --[[User:IiEarth|IiEarth]] ([[User talk:IiEarth|talk]]) 18:11, 25 August 2023 (UTC)
:: This one is approved on the grounds of its preexisting content as well as it technically being something under the 'industries' category and not really a franchise. Please feel free to ensure the headquarters is appropriately tagged, so that it appears on the international listing. &mdash; [[User:Alessa|Alessa]] <sub>([[User talk:Alessa|talk]])</sub> 12:09, 16 April 2024 (UTC)

==Archived 2019 conversations==
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===Requirements===
What's the minimum requirment to add something to the list?--[[User:Mstr|Mstr]] ([[User talk:Mstr|talk]]) 23:53, 20 May 2019 (CEST)
:I would think at least some mapping of locations. Maybe an article later on as well. [[User:Brunanter|Brunanter]] ([[User talk:Brunanter|talk]]) 00:03, 21 May 2019 (CEST)
::Fair enough. --[[User:Fluffr Nuttr|Fluffr Nuttr]] ([[User talk:Fluffr Nuttr|talk]]) 00:54, 21 May 2019 (CEST)

:Personally I'd propose getting rid of any expectation or requirement for future wiki articles considering the environment surrounding the wiki right now seems likely to mark most new company articles as overwikification. There's probably enough information here to not need articles unless it's something really significant (probably a stronger argument for things like the car manufacturers than the smaller regional businesses) --[[User:Ernestpcosby|Ernestpcosby]] ([[User talk:Ernestpcosby|talk]]) 17:26, 2 June 2019 (CEST)
::I am considering to lock this article (obviously, I need to check with the other admins before) for some time. Almost every day, this article is updated with any "similar to real world ''XYZ brand'' ". Users are spending time to create OGF-versions to so much RW-brands (or USA-brands) as possible. Is this the purpose of this article? I think not...  --  [[User:BMSOUZA|BMSOUZA]] ([[User talk:BMSOUZA|talk]]) 12:52, 25 June 2019 (CEST)
:::Considering the deletion of the page might be also a good option in my eyes, because just adding names without anything on the map (and fulfilling some more requirements!) does not improve OGF at all. But I guess, as long as admins don't want to specify (and enforce) wiki rules in more detail we can also declare the page as good example of corporation and continue endless listing... maybe we should start some more lists as already discussed?--[[User:Mstr|Mstr]] ([[User talk:Mstr|talk]]) 17:34, 25 June 2019 (CEST)
::::With the churn of new mappers entering and leaving the FSA, I think there's value in having a centralized location on the wiki with regional/national chain businesses that both old and new mappers alike can use to help map their states. -[[User:TheMayor|TheMayor]] ([[User talk:TheMayor|talk]]) 18:03, 25 June 2019 (CEST)
:::::I still see a good usage to this page, because I am detailing [https://opengeofiction.net/#map=16/-40.2560/159.7951 Manheart County as much as possible], be it in western areas or in [https://opengeofiction.net/#map=18/-40.27222/159.85670 eastern areas]. I include Fandwiches close to sports grounds, like [https://opengeofiction.net/#map=19/-40.25653/159.79996 here] and [https://opengeofiction.net/#map=19/-40.24463/159.74696 here], as user Ernestpcosby ask, for example. Histor set some bookstores in [https://opengeofiction.net/#map=19/-40.27140/159.81964 several places]. Is important to me, to include names in the stores I set in Manheart (and some other users in a few other FSA places). But what about the other users?
:::::All I wish and ask the collaborators is: PLEASE, do a good usage of this list. We do not need an OGF-Chevrolet, an OGF-CNN, an OGF-McDonalds, we need good quality of mapping. Yes, some user can create an OGF-Chevrolet (as I created DeLand as an OGF-Dodge so much time before admins create the concept of Federal States), but please, MAP IT, map more than write another-OGF-brand-inspired-in-a-real-world-brand.  --  [[User:BMSOUZA|BMSOUZA]] ([[User talk:BMSOUZA|talk]]) 18:13, 25 June 2019 (CEST)

I propose the following technical & procedural requirements are added, with all having to be met for a listing to be allowed:
* At least 20 locations mapped, with the [https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:brand brand=*] property used 
* This mapping should be high standard, not just simple nodes
* A FSA Franchise template used for the listing - with parameters for the brand name, geographical spread and origin. The template would also generate an Overpass Turbo query to view the locations
* No naming, not even with bloody asterisks, of real-world equivalents, and no blatant "smart" nearly-names
There would be a grace period to allow existing entires to be brought up to scratch, or removed. Thanks/[[User:Wangi|wangi]] ([[User talk:Wangi|talk]]) 23:22, 25 June 2019 (CEST)
:Wangi, I completely agree about these main rules. But, avoiding users creating some confusion, we still need to debate it. 20 locations is a nice number, but how a business can got this number of locations if not in this list, hehehe? The use of the tag "brand" is an obvious thing, but myself was not using yet, hahaha. And the "high standard not a simple node" is the best idea! Of course, things like Auto Manufacturers or Airlines does not need "20 locations", but mapping the HQ would be mandatory... Friend Mstr, any idea?  --  [[User:BMSOUZA|BMSOUZA]] ([[User talk:BMSOUZA|talk]]) 00:04, 26 June 2019 (CEST)

::Of course, 20 is arbitrary and is less than my original thought! If a franchise cannot get 20 locations in its home state then it really doesn't belong on the list. It's the price of entry - map 20 locations. Auto manufacturers are easy - it's the dealerships which fly the brand (good use of brand, name and operator properties). Airlines are probably a special case, dedicated page of their own. Thanks/[[User:Wangi|wangi]] ([[User talk:Wangi|talk]]) 00:18, 26 June 2019 (CEST)
:::I've never seen something better since sliced bread! I back this proposal 100%.
:::'''[[User talk:Rhiney boi|Talk to]] [[User:Rhiney boi|Rhiney boi]]'''
::::Wangi, I was thinking about creating a table to these lists. We talk about it later, or in our admin group.  --  [[User:BMSOUZA|BMSOUZA]] ([[User talk:BMSOUZA|talk]]) 01:47, 26 June 2019 (CEST)
:::I'd say the 'price of entry' should be lower, maybe around 10 locations. Franchises can always grow after getting on the franchise page. For bigger, nationwide chains, the standard can be higher. I'd also recommend a place to propose chains, so interested mappers can map out locations and get a brand on this page. Other than this, I don't have any real objections to Wangi's plan.--[[User:Fluffr Nuttr|Fluffr Nuttr]] ([[User talk:Fluffr Nuttr|talk]]) 03:53, 26 June 2019 (CEST)

::I'm just going to remove the Seneppi-based stuff and put it on the Seneppi sandbox page. It's not realistic for me to have 20 locations of everything mapped in extreme detail when I've only mapped half of the downtown area of 2 cities so far, and the only reason I listed similar brands IRL was for people to know what locations would be mapped like and where they would realistically be located, and in general they weren't meant to be exact matches. --[[User:Ernestpcosby|Ernestpcosby]] ([[User talk:Ernestpcosby|talk]]) 03:06, 26 June 2019 (CEST)
:::I understand you, friend! But this question can be solved also if state owners or collaborators start to include brands from other owners in their own states, not only creating new ones to this list. Like I am doing in Stanton, with Fandwiches, Colonial Market, Faves [https://opengeofiction.net/#map=18/-40.27285/159.85627 and more brands].  --  [[User:BMSOUZA|BMSOUZA]] ([[User talk:BMSOUZA|talk]]) 03:55, 26 June 2019 (CEST)
::::I've also been using other people's brands to help them expand and to keep my mapping interesting. However, I think having 20 locations mapped just to be official is overkill. --[[User:Fluffr Nuttr|Fluffr Nuttr]] ([[User talk:Fluffr Nuttr|talk]]) 04:10, 26 June 2019 (CEST)
:::::Maybe not. [[Colonial Market]] got 15 locations, and I am going to include at least 1 location in Stanton, maybe more. If other state owners include locations, and it is not a unreallistic thing, the number "20" will be a small number soon. The tip to brand creators is: to ask other state owners or collaborators to use those brands. Or just use the brands as listed in this article even if the creator does not ask you, hehehe.  --  [[User:BMSOUZA|BMSOUZA]] ([[User talk:BMSOUZA|talk]]) 04:18, 26 June 2019 (CEST)
::::::Maybe a better threshold would be a certain number of markets (cities/places) the brands are mapped in rather than the number of actual brand locations. I could fit 20 coffee shops in downtown Lake City without breaking a sweat, but finding 20 places to map a high-end hotel would be a much larger challenge. -[[User:TheMayor|TheMayor]] ([[User talk:TheMayor|talk]]) 05:56, 26 June 2019 (CEST)
:::::::Perhaps we could keep the twenty location requirement, ''but'' have a maximum of five stores in a given market for these purposes? If you want to map all twenty in a single market, then if you want to get onto that list, you need to map sixty more? [[User:Luziyca|Luziyca]] ([[User talk:Luziyca|talk]]) 07:01, 26 June 2019 (CEST)
::::::::Friend @Luziyca, my opinion is, if this single market with five (or more) stores is a high standard mapped place, there is no problem. Ok, this is not a Federal States location, but do someone take a look in a [https://opengeofiction.net/#map=18/-25.61986/50.71030 mall I created in Brasonia]? How much brands/stores can be included in well mapped places like this? Hehehe. Sure I will create a mall like this one somewhere in New Carnaby, using brands/stores of other users, of course.  --  [[User:BMSOUZA|BMSOUZA]] ([[User talk:BMSOUZA|talk]]) 13:03, 26 June 2019 (CEST)

===Subdivisions of list?===
Like the page says, we don't need to add more types of franchises, but for some things, like Supermarkets/Big Box stores, it might neaten up the list some to subdivide with subheaders into the larger categories, ex. "Superstore", "Regional Supermarket", "Discount Supermarket", etc --[[User:Ernestpcosby|Ernestpcosby]] ([[User talk:Ernestpcosby|talk]]) 05:20, 21 May 2019 (CEST)
:Go ahead. I just don't want people creating new sections if it can be classified somewhere else. Other than that, users can add new sections to their discretion.--[[User:Fluffr Nuttr|Fluffr Nuttr]] ([[User talk:Fluffr Nuttr|talk]]) 13:22, 21 May 2019 (CEST)

Should "Vehicle Dealerships" and "Transportation: Cars/Trucks" be combined? Right now I think we have the same information in two places.--[[User:Whateversusan|Whateversusan]] ([[User talk:Whateversusan|talk]]) 00:39, 13 June 2019 (CEST)
:Yeah, that's a good point. Personally I'd say yeah, but I'm not sure who to ask for official permission --[[User:Ernestpcosby|Ernestpcosby]] ([[User talk:Ernestpcosby|talk]]) 00:50, 13 June 2019 (CEST)
::I created the page, and I don't have a problem with it. Not sure who created the subdivision though.--[[User:Fluffr Nuttr|Fluffr Nuttr]] ([[User talk:Fluffr Nuttr|talk]]) 01:12, 13 June 2019 (CEST)
:::I'd propose moving Vehicle Dealerships to Transportation: Cars/Trucks, because that seems like a better way to organize things. --[[User:Whateversusan|Whateversusan]] ([[User talk:Whateversusan|talk]]) 01:21, 13 June 2019 (CEST)
::::Did it.--[[User:Fluffr Nuttr|Fluffr Nuttr]] ([[User talk:Fluffr Nuttr|talk]]) 03:08, 13 June 2019 (CEST)

===International?===
Could you please state whether the franchises operate internationally and under which conditions? --[[User:Toadwart|Toadwart]] ([[User talk:Toadwart|talk]]) 13:38, 22 May 2019 (CEST)
:I second that. Given that FSA is much similar to the USA, it is likely that most franchises would be international. --[[User:Austinhuang|Austin]] ([[User Talk:Austinhuang|Talk]] / [https://austinhuang.me Site]) 05:29, 4 June 2019 (CEST)

===Franchise locations===
Are people keeping track/looking of each locale for their franchises? [[User:Brunanter|Brunanter]] ([[User talk:Brunanter|talk]]) 02:23, 25 May 2019 (CEST)
:Seems like Colonial Market has a list of locations on its page. Do people think it would be appropriate to list locations on here? --[[User:Fluffr Nuttr|Fluffr Nuttr]] ([[User talk:Fluffr Nuttr|talk]]) 02:47, 26 May 2019 (CEST)

The preferred way to do this is to tag each location with a ''brand='' tag, with the exact content agreed on the page for each franchise. This allows for a simple overpass query to find all locations. /[[User:Wangi|wangi]] ([[User talk:Wangi|talk]]) 03:52, 26 May 2019 (CEST)

===Headquarter locations===
My suggestion: if marking some franchise "headquartered in (...)", please, map the headquarter and link it, not only mention a city or state.  --  [[User:BMSOUZA|BMSOUZA]] ([[User talk:BMSOUZA|talk]]) 01:04, 18 June 2019 (CEST)
:I think that should be encouraged and probably be the case eventually, but for a lot of us depending on how we map it's harder to do that now, especially when headquarters of a lot of business types are usually suburb-based. I can link to a couple of the banks and such which have urban headquarters in Wallawaukee, but some of the others wouldn't be located in a downtown and will take a while before I can adequately map beyond plopping a landuse somewhere since the areas of the state where it would be located aren't detailed enough yet. --[[User:Ernestpcosby|Ernestpcosby]] ([[User talk:Ernestpcosby|talk]]) 01:50, 18 June 2019 (CEST)
::Sure, the mapper should map it when possible. I just say it to avoid state owners creating a lot of brands and few mapping stuff (I know it is not your case, hehehe)  --  [[User:BMSOUZA|BMSOUZA]] ([[User talk:BMSOUZA|talk]]) 02:43, 18 June 2019 (CEST)
:This requirement sounds reasonable, so I added it to the page 'intro'. --[[User:Fluffr Nuttr|Fluffr Nuttr]] ([[User talk:Fluffr Nuttr|talk]]) 22:57, 18 June 2019 (CEST)

===Theme Parks===
Are any of the theme parks on this franchise page actually mapped in any decent or detailed way? --[[User:TheHolyEpicpenguin|TheHolyEpicpenguin]] ([[User talk:TheHolyEpicpenguin|talk]])
:Currently, I am working on mine right now. -[[User:Oof boi|Oof boi]] ([[User talk:Oof boi|talk]])

===Railways===
Is there any sense, here to add railways? There is a list of railways here [https://wiki.opengeofiction.net/wiki/index.php/Federal_States#Railways], so here this items are to delete. It is never helpful, to have two lists of the same content. --[[User:Histor|Histor]] ([[User talk:Histor|talk]]) 23:46, 26 July 2019 (CEST)
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