Forum:Global and regional issues/10th Anniversary Mapoff - Khaiwoon
Hello OGF!
Recent discussion on the discord has led to the conclusion that, as a way to celebrate OGF's 10th Anniversary, a mapoff should be held in OGF's most well-renowned collaborative country, Khaiwoon.
Right now, this forum thread is for planning and discussion. Khaiwoon is not currently open for mapping.
Things that need to happen before the mapoff (which is not a competition) begins are as follows:
Khaiwoon currently, in its untouched state, should be preserved, most likely in Arhet.
The structure for how space will be divided needs to be established. There are two possibilities that I see here:
a) Khaiwoon is divided into neighborhoods. Each mapper can claim a neighborhood, and works only on that area (or on other areas if invited to by other mappers).
b) Mappers post where they will be working, and talk on this forum thread about their plans, collaborating more organically.
There are pros and cons to both A and B. A is obviously more organized and will result in less conflict, but risks having Khaiwoon look disjointed, like multiple different areas all mapped differently with less cohesion and overall planning. B will inevitably result in edit conflicts, but with good collaboration could produce a very nice blending of many user's styles that would be unique and in the spirit of the collab as a showcase for OGF. Perhaps a blending of A and B, where users work mainly in one area but are free to work elsewhere if they work things out with other users who are working in the same space? Please feel free to suggest other ideas!
Guidelines for the collab must be established. Here's a starting point based on discussions:
a) The "feel/style" of neighborhoods should be preserved, with the current mapping as a base. The goal is to continue developing it, not to completely re-do everything.
b)As there are varying levels of quality in the country, opinions should be gathered on a case-by-case basis about what can be mostly deleted, what should only be further detailed with little to no deletion, and what should not be touched.
c) The old town (what's within the motorway u at the center) and diplomatic quarter should not be touched for now.
d) Country-wide issues that require changes (possibly trains, public transit) should be discussed as a group before changes are made.
e) All the new stuff must continue to obey isleno's excellent topo map.
Some overall things need changing - here's some stuff people have brought up:
a) The farms should be slimmed down a little and turned into mainly plantations and greenhouses, with less (but not no) pastures and farm fields.
b) The eastern islands should be rethought.
c) The language needs some more thought.
d) Trains seem to need a re-work.
Please provide thoughts below about all of this.
--Lithium-Ion (talk) 22:53, 1 December 2022 (UTC)Lithium-Ion
I feel like Central Khaiwoon—or even the entire western portion of the large island—should be mapped by people working together, while the peripheral areas (eg. Batjun) and the rest of the islands (eg. Rockburn Island) can be mapped individually. So yes, a mix of A and B would be the best way to operate this collab. --IiEarth (talk) 23:17, 1 December 2022 (UTC)
I second to what iiEarth has proposed, although I would like to propose an amendment: based on what has been discussed on possibly having a mix between A and B, I feel like we can have the peripheral neighborhoods be "coordinated" by users who claim them, and said users would discuss and collaborate with nearby mappers accordingly. Personally, having mappers map only within their respective neighborhoods with seldom collaboration could lead to discontinuity in the mapping styles, names, etc. To summarize, I second iiEarth's proposal with the amendment of having mappers coordinate, but not "own" neighborhoods. --Geoc3ladus (talk) 00:18, 2 December 2022 (UTC)
I also think that a kind of mixed way between A and B can work. I am especially interested in the point d), helping in reworking the railway system. --Izaland Terramorphing Committee (talk) 01:34, 2 December 2022 (UTC)
- I'm glad that there's general consensus on this topic so far - I personally agree with Geoc3ladus's proposal. --Lithium-Ion (talk) 15:24, 2 December 2022 (UTC)
A hybrid between A and B can work. Especially designating the more crucial national infrastructure of the country. Like the harbour, universities (University of Khaiwoon), the race course for the Khaiwoon Grand Prix, military bases (navy, air force), a national sporting centre to host regional games, waterworks facilities (desalination plants and reservoirs), electricity (power plants, windmills, solar farms), petrochemical hubs etc etc.
While I also wish to rework the rail infrastructure in the country, priority should be detailing the various areas of Khaiwoon. I would like to look at Khaiwoon more organically and see how the city could have expanded. This will identify which areas are "older" and "newer", which will affect how each neighbourhood would look like and in turn how the metro is developed (the first lines will serve the major areas first). I also note that Khaiwoon is built on various islands merged together. We might need to identify the older historical islands, which are perhaps the basis for various regional hubs.
For reference on the language, here is the script.--Zhenkang (talk) 07:26, 2 December 2022 (UTC)
Further adding on: we can split the Khaiwoon project into multiple "centres" which can be further divided into neighbourhoods. Each "zone" will have a theme (more residential? more industrial? more historical? more cultural?).--Zhenkang (talk) 07:46, 2 December 2022 (UTC)
- There are some images on the wiki showing the reclaimed land - Khaiwoon-terrain-map.jpg and Khaiwoon-1868-map.jpg are basically the original vision for Khaiwoon's "land history" as far as I can tell. ---Lithium-Ion (talk) 15:24, 2 December 2022 (UTC)
I feel like there needs to be a little bit more clarity on the mapping style of Khaiwoon and it's irl inspiration. I hear that Singapore is the main inspiration, with a bit of Hong Kong as well, but neither of those cities use grids anywhere near as much as Khaiwoon. Is it planned to remove a lot of the grids, just keeping the main roads, or keep the grids and diverge further from Singapore? Right now, the mapping looks are bit more like Xiamen (www.openstreetmap.org/#map=13/24.4921/118.1312). Gubble (talk) 12:54, 2 December 2022 (UTC)
- I think that the grid style and alignments should be kept - it looks good and makes sense to me, and uniqueness is part of what makes Khaiwoon feel like more than just an OGF:Singapore. --Lithium-Ion (talk) 15:24, 2 December 2022 (UTC)
I'm not sure I like the idea of turning Khaiwoon into a collab. If you want to build OGF:Singapore, you can put it somewhere else - nearby, or far away (maybe closer to OGF:EastAsia...). Based on other collabs (and the fact that we have far more collabs already than we have interested participants), I'm not sure that Khaiwoon would be improved by becoming a collab. Bear in mind, too - I am still in touch with isleño, and he has not ruled out returning to OGF.--Luciano (talk) 14:38, 2 December 2022 (UTC)
- Agreed. There's no shortage of vacant mapping (and inactive collabs) available in the OGF world. No point in redoing what's already mapped when we have so much new real estate we could leverage into this kind of megaproject instead. --TheMayor (talk) 14:54, 2 December 2022 (UTC)
- The goal isn't to turn Khaiwoon into a collab again - I don't think anyone wants to add another permanent collab to OGF at the moment, as we're rather full (as you've pointed out). Rather, the hope is to celebrate OGF by briefly opening Khaiwoon to continue to develop it for about a month, continuing the vision of Khaiwoon. I think there's a lot of interest in participating in improving and continuing to build Khaiwoon, and I hope that it would be a success. Nevertheless, you two both make good points, and ultimately it is in the hands of the regional admin/the admin team as a whole. --Lithium-Ion (talk) 15:24, 2 December 2022 (UTC)