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''¡Sentíos libres de escribir en Español, si así os sentís más cómodos!''
 
''¡Sentíos libres de escribir en Español, si así os sentís más cómodos!''
  
==Cleanup==
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==Natural Mapping==
The first stage mapping-wise will be the complete clean-up of the mapping of Castellán. All mapping previous to the setting of the collaborative stage is expected to be removed. The only mapping that will be pre-emptively conserved will be whatever is on the border with Mazan, specially land cover that spans both countries. Coastline is not to be changed either yet.
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'''The natural mapping phase of Castellán has begun. Anyone who is interested in doing natural mapping of a region with a mediterranean climate, follow the instructions that will be given below.'''
  
'''WARNING''': Currently, mass deletions of 10.000 entities or more will mess with the renderer. If you plan on participating on the cleanup of Castellán, please have this into account, and NEVER delete more than 10000 entities at once.
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For better organisation, anyone who wants to map natural features should [https://opengeofiction.net/message/new/Martinawa contact Martinawa] for authorisation. In the message, you may show prior work you have done on natural landcover as an indication of your skills.
  
'''If you have any questions about the cleanup or would want to help on it, please write it here below.'''
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After you've been given authorisation, you will be given a georreferenced file with the orography sketched (shown below) to use as a base for the natural cover. '''Before starting landcover you should make a boundary area, with admin_level=4, in the area you want to work on.''' This might be used in the future for the administrative divisions of the country, so please be creative about it. The area marked should be between 25000 and 50000 square kilometers, roughly. The idea for the landcover is to indicate only non-agricultural landuses: that is: forests, scrubs, bare rock, cliffs, marshes, wetlands, and such. Do not use grass or farmlands, especially in the flatter areas, as these will be dealt with later in the development of the country, after the settlements have been decided. --[[User:Martinawa|Martinawa]] ([[User talk:Martinawa|talk]]) 22:50, 13 February 2022 (UTC)
  
===Galecia===
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'''Users currently authorised to edit in the country:'''
  
I would like to volunteer in cleaning-up all of Galecia. –[[User:The Cute Chick|The Cute Chick]] ([[User talk:The Cute Chick|talk]]) 20:55, 25 November 2021 (UTC)
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* Martinawa ([https://opengeofiction.net/relation/286175 "Región Primera"] and [https://opengeofiction.net/relation/287092 "Región Segunda"], northwest)
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* Bixelkoven ([https://opengeofiction.net/relation/287116 "Región del Cabo"], southeast)
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* Lithium-Ion ([https://opengeofiction.net/relation/287793 "Región Occidental"], west)
  
 
==Physical planning==
 
==Physical planning==
Here we will dicuss and suggest what the Castellán physical geography will look like.
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Here we will discuss and suggest what the Castellán physical geography will look like.
  
===Coastline suggestions===
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'''As the Cleanup phase is finished for now, I'm going to close off proposals for physical plannings soon as we try to work out the final result. This is a shout-out to give people who have had ideas for coastline and physical geography an opportunity to post their suggestions now, as there's going to be an election of the final physical geography of Castellán soon''' --[[User:Martinawa|Martinawa]] ([[User talk:Martinawa|talk]]) 05:06, 19 December 2021 (UTC)
  
The eastern coastline of Castellán previous to the collab stage resembles too much the real Spanish east coastline shape. For this reason, that section of the coastline will be reworked. If you have any ideas on how to do it, please post them here below.
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===Orography sketch===
  
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After seeing all sent proposals and having reflected onto them and adapting to the new coast, I have made some temptative orography for Castellán as a base. The amount of detail shown is because this is procedurally generated (except for the rivers), but all mapping here shouldn't be followed very closely and treated more like a broad idea of what the country is going to be like, as things like scale and detail might just not be right for the size of the country given the features. The general idea, with a western plateau and parallel mountain ranges going roughly east to west, with graben-like plains in between. Placing is mostly inspired on the shape of the coastline. --[[User:Martinawa|Martinawa]] ([[User talk:Martinawa|talk]]) 01:10, 19 January 2022 (UTC)
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[[File:Castellan topo idea.png|800px|center|Base Orography proposal]]
  
My proposal:  
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:How high do you think the tallest mountains would be? Maybe that northern range could have a few noticeable "offshoots" or parallel ridges like the Alps, since it's the southernmost part of a large mountain range similar to them. Otherwise looks really nice, no complaints at all.--[[User:Lithium|Lithium-Ion]] ([[User talk:Lithium|talk]]) 01:20, 19 January 2022 (UTC)
[[File:Lithium-Castellan-Coast-Plan.png|thumb|center|Lithium-Ion's Plan.]]
 
The changes could be more drastic than this - perhaps turning the entire southern peninsula into islands, among other things. --[[User:Lithium|Lithium-Ion]] ([[User talk:Lithium|talk]]) 02:40, 9 November 2021 (UTC)
 
  
I had some ideas for the coastline of Eastern Castellán. All of them involve both a new strait to close the "Mediterranean" sea, and new, bigger islands to form an archipelago.
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==Cleanup==
 
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'''The cleanup phase is now finished. Please head to later sections to know about the state of the collaboration and to know what to do on it. The areas you might see on the map that are not blanked are intentionally so and will be treated specially by the coordinators for now.'''
* Proposal one - Northern strait:
 
- Keep and expand the Mariola Islands from its current position
 
 
 
- Make a strait into the "Mediterranean" in the position of current Escuderos, Takora.
 
 
 
- Keep the Murica peninsula, making it narrower and more prominent (or maybe open it up into an island?)
 
 
 
[[File:Castellan coast north strait.png|thumb|center|Northern strait plan]]
 
 
 
* Proposal two - Southern strait:
 
**Cede the Mariola Islands off the territory, creating instead a new, bigger archipelago where Catania used to be.
 
**Reposition the Murica peninsula further north, making a strait into the Mediterranan next to the Franquese exclave near Vaucargue, Lustria
 
 
 
[[File:Castellan coast south strait.png|thumb|center|Southern strait plan]]
 
 
 
* Proposal three - Double straits:
 
**Make the two straits proposed above, although less narrow
 
**Cede the Mariola Islands, make a new archipelago in the new sea/gulf between the straits
 
**Keep the Murica cape vestigially
 
 
 
[[File:Castellan coast two straits.png|thumb|center|Double straits plan]]
 
 
 
These are rough sketches proposed as concepts and can be discussed further. Personally I like the incorporation of the Mariola Islands on the northern strait alternative. What I definitely have in mind is that Castellán should have bigger islands than it has now, and this is the ideal area for them to be placed.--[[User:Martinawa|Martinawa]] ([[User talk:Martinawa|talk]]) 18:01, 9 November 2021 (UTC)
 
:I like all of the proposals but if I remember well the whole point behind Mediterranean Sea was to justify colonisation of other continents by important world powers, namely Franqueterre and Plevia. Marmara or Gibraltar solutions effectively break that plan in pieces. making the Mediterranean functionally similar to the Black Sea. [[User:Rustem Pasha|Rustem Pasha]] ([[User talk:Rustem Pasha|talk]]) 18:44, 9 November 2021 (UTC)
 
::I agree with Rustem, the idea was to not have straits between ocean and sea. I wouldnt change the eastern coast too much (I mostly like the shape the country has) just enough to make it not link to the rw Spanish reference. I like Lithiums proposal most, but I wouldnt overdo it with the islands. The thing about Coastellans coastline that bothers me the most is the area around Malgazan (which I would do somewhat like [[:File: Malgazan coast proposal.jpeg|this]], the way it initially was before it got changed a few years back to what it is now.) —[[User:Stjur|Stjur]] ([[User talk:Stjur|talk]]) 23:06, 9 November 2021 (UTC)
 
::: I agree that there might be a few too many islands in my plan  - I think that those that should be 100% kept if a version of it ends up being accepted would be the southernmost and northernmost groups. The southernmost to continue the island chain in the area - perhaps Martinawa's first idea could be used for those? The northernmost because the Mediterranean is rather lacking in islands that aren't very close to the coast right now,  so there's plenty of room to add some interest to the sea. Perhaps the two northernmost islands could be reminiscent and close in size to Menorca and Ibiza.  --[[User:Lithium|Lithium-Ion]] ([[User talk:Lithium|talk]]) 01:45, 10 November 2021 (UTC)
 
:::: I guess if the idea was to not have straits at all the best course of action from the options I have proposed would be the first one, without the strait, placing the coastline roughly where the current one currently is (maybe even keeping it, that part of the coastline is relatively original as is). --[[User:Martinawa|Martinawa]] ([[User talk:Martinawa|talk]]) 16:57, 10 November 2021 (UTC)
 
::::: Maybe a good course of action would be a merger of your first plan and my plan? Keeping the southern part of yours and the northern part of mine, probably. --[[User:Lithium|Lithium-Ion]] ([[User talk:Lithium|talk]]) 20:44, 11 November 2021 (UTC)
 
 
 
===Orography suggestions===
 
 
 
As we will be working with pretty much a blank canvas, we accept suggestions on how the orography (mountains, rivers, plains, basins, plateaus, etc...) of Castellán should look like. They should have a signifficant degree of independence with whatever the coastline ends up being, and should be rather schematic, as they will be the basis for later development. Like before, please post any suggestions below.
 
 
 
My proposal:
 
[[File:Lithium-Castellan-Orography-Plan.png|thumb|center|Lithium-Ion's Plan]]
 
Rivers are just to give an idea of basins and how much there might be in any area. It's pretty rough, so a lot of changes could be made. --[[User:Lithium|Lithium-Ion]] ([[User talk:Lithium|talk]]) 02:40, 9 November 2021 (UTC)
 
 
 
 
 
Huachachi ideas:
 
 
 
Have tall mountain range between Castellán and Mperiye/Sathriada. This two countries are very different and we should have a border difficult to cross in ancient times. That way we could explain why the countries have so much differences and no influence in each other.
 
 
 
I am going to send here my ideas for Castellán. They are pretty diverse and could work in some sense, and I want to see what the ideas from other people align in this proposals.
 
 
 
First, these are the mountain ranges that I would keep regardless of the plan:
 
 
 
[[File:Castellan orography base.png|thumb|center|Base Orography proposal]]
 
 
 
The mountain ranges on the borders both with Mazan and Sathria would be kept (No idea on how the border works on Mazan, if it's in the top of the range or somewhere else, but still a good idea to keep some mountains there). The border with Sathria would host the highest mountains (In the place where the Egyt mountains used to be, should we reuse that name?). The area where those mountain ranges meet would be a kind of hilly plateau. It could be interesting to play with some unique geological features in that area (lakes, volcanos, large waterfalls, ice-shaped landforms in the highest areas...) It also makes sense to me for the southeastern tip to have a mountain range, as the coastline arrangement, not only in Castellán, but in the lands around it, suggests a big geological fold in the area.
 
 
 
* Idea 1: Parallel arrangement.
 
 
 
All rivers and mountain ranges would generally follow the general direction of the peninsula, that is, east to west, probably deriving from a large, old fold (think the Appalachians in the US, maybe larger in both size and height). In-between the folds would sit the river basins, that would generally flow west-to-east.
 
 
 
[[File:Castellan orography parallel.png|thumb|center|Parallel arrangement]]
 
 
 
* Idea 2: Radial arrangement.
 
 
 
This would feature a large, tall mountain chain or massif in the center of the country, from which all major basins would radiate from. Some minor ranges around some trams of the coast would have secondary ranges along them to more carefully justify their shapes. Geologically, the easiest justification for such a configuration would be volcanism, which would make Castellán a country prominent for its volcanoes. My idea would be similar (but again, bigger) to the Central Massif in France.
 
 
 
[[File:Castellan orography radial.png|thumb|center|Radial arrangement]]
 
 
 
* Idea 3: Perpendicular arrangement.
 
 
 
This one would rely on a large mountain chain north of the country, running along the coast, with a gentle southwards slope, creating small mountain ranges between the river basins. That would create a rather rugged terrain in general, as geologically it should be explained by a large sedimentary plateau that's been carved out over time by the rivers flowing down on it. Lots of terraced terrain, and a relatively low average height outside the main mountain ranges. The soil should be very soft to allow for this kind of orography, so have in mind this when considering it (unless there is a better solution for such a terrain geologically)
 
 
 
[[File:Castellan orography perpendicular.png|thumb|center|Perpendicular arrangement]]
 
  
--[[User:Martinawa|Martinawa]] ([[User talk:Martinawa|talk]]) 20:02, 10 November 2021 (UTC)
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The first stage mapping-wise will be the complete clean-up of the mapping of Castellán. All mapping previous to the setting of the collaborative stage is expected to be removed. The only mapping that will be pre-emptively conserved will be whatever is on the border with Mazan, specially land cover that spans both countries. Coastline is not to be changed either yet. --[[User:Martinawa|Martinawa]] ([[User talk:Martinawa|talk]]) 23:10, 18 December 2021 (UTC)
  
:I would personally leave the mountain ranges where they are, after all I've created them that way. They play a role in the shape of the country and the Mediterranean Sea (all the coastlines north of Catania are drawn by me) and are continuations of bigger mountain ranges coming from Alora and Gobrassanya --[[User:Stjur|Stjur]] ([[User talk:Stjur|talk]]) 17:24, 12 November 2021 (UTC)
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:Many thanks to TCC and Rustem for helping clean up the area. You three have done a great job, and the help is very appreciated! &mdash; [[User:Alessa|Alessa]] <sub>([[User talk:Alessa|talk]])</sub> 15:33, 23 December 2021 (UTC)
::Do you have any schematics of them? Despite being the current arrangement, the forest covers will have to be basically remade, so it would be a good idea to know what was the general structure of it. Or if it matches one of my suggestions, you can point it out. --[[User:Martinawa|Martinawa]] ([[User talk:Martinawa|talk]]) 23:34, 13 November 2021 (UTC)
 
:::They can be seen here: https://old.opengeofiction.wiki/index.php/OGF:Map_of_known_mountains - something along these lines: https://i.imgur.com/9IDHU2w.png --[[User:Stjur|Stjur]] ([[User talk:Stjur|talk]]) 07:46, 14 November 2021 (UTC)
 

Latest revision as of 11:59, 18 February 2022

ForumsOfficial collaboratives → Official collaboratives/Castellán


This the Forum official discussion page for the Castellán collaborative project. Any questions, suggestions, feedback, and discussions will be held here. For more info on the state of the collab, please go to the collab page --Martinawa (talk) 00:31, 9 November 2021 (UTC)

¡Sentíos libres de escribir en Español, si así os sentís más cómodos!

Natural Mapping

The natural mapping phase of Castellán has begun. Anyone who is interested in doing natural mapping of a region with a mediterranean climate, follow the instructions that will be given below.

For better organisation, anyone who wants to map natural features should contact Martinawa for authorisation. In the message, you may show prior work you have done on natural landcover as an indication of your skills.

After you've been given authorisation, you will be given a georreferenced file with the orography sketched (shown below) to use as a base for the natural cover. Before starting landcover you should make a boundary area, with admin_level=4, in the area you want to work on. This might be used in the future for the administrative divisions of the country, so please be creative about it. The area marked should be between 25000 and 50000 square kilometers, roughly. The idea for the landcover is to indicate only non-agricultural landuses: that is: forests, scrubs, bare rock, cliffs, marshes, wetlands, and such. Do not use grass or farmlands, especially in the flatter areas, as these will be dealt with later in the development of the country, after the settlements have been decided. --Martinawa (talk) 22:50, 13 February 2022 (UTC)

Users currently authorised to edit in the country:

Physical planning

Here we will discuss and suggest what the Castellán physical geography will look like.

As the Cleanup phase is finished for now, I'm going to close off proposals for physical plannings soon as we try to work out the final result. This is a shout-out to give people who have had ideas for coastline and physical geography an opportunity to post their suggestions now, as there's going to be an election of the final physical geography of Castellán soon --Martinawa (talk) 05:06, 19 December 2021 (UTC)

Orography sketch

After seeing all sent proposals and having reflected onto them and adapting to the new coast, I have made some temptative orography for Castellán as a base. The amount of detail shown is because this is procedurally generated (except for the rivers), but all mapping here shouldn't be followed very closely and treated more like a broad idea of what the country is going to be like, as things like scale and detail might just not be right for the size of the country given the features. The general idea, with a western plateau and parallel mountain ranges going roughly east to west, with graben-like plains in between. Placing is mostly inspired on the shape of the coastline. --Martinawa (talk) 01:10, 19 January 2022 (UTC)

Base Orography proposal
How high do you think the tallest mountains would be? Maybe that northern range could have a few noticeable "offshoots" or parallel ridges like the Alps, since it's the southernmost part of a large mountain range similar to them. Otherwise looks really nice, no complaints at all.--Lithium-Ion (talk) 01:20, 19 January 2022 (UTC)

Cleanup

The cleanup phase is now finished. Please head to later sections to know about the state of the collaboration and to know what to do on it. The areas you might see on the map that are not blanked are intentionally so and will be treated specially by the coordinators for now.

The first stage mapping-wise will be the complete clean-up of the mapping of Castellán. All mapping previous to the setting of the collaborative stage is expected to be removed. The only mapping that will be pre-emptively conserved will be whatever is on the border with Mazan, specially land cover that spans both countries. Coastline is not to be changed either yet. --Martinawa (talk) 23:10, 18 December 2021 (UTC)

Many thanks to TCC and Rustem for helping clean up the area. You three have done a great job, and the help is very appreciated! — Alessa (talk) 15:33, 23 December 2021 (UTC)