Forum:Official collaboratives/UL30c: Organisation of a Collab for a "Japanese" Homeland // 虚構の「日本国」のコラボレーションの組織化
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In this forum-thread, we want to plan a collaborative project. In a collab, several members work together on one country. We want to create a fictional Japanese speaking country in this location. However we currently have only very few members who speak good Japanese. If you speak Japanese and are interested in participating in this project, comment below.
The new Japanese themed country (UL30c) has no name yet. The purpose of this thread is not (yet) to start the actual collab! We would first like to foster some general discussion and estimate if there are sufficiently many interested members in the community. For the collab to eventually start, ideally at least the following number of members should be interested to investing a substantial amount of their mapping activity:
UL30c has been chosen as the location for a Japanese homeland, because it lies between south-east Uletha (a region with many countries that use conlangs partially inspired by Japanese) and northern Archanta (the Chinese speaking homeland from where Chinese characters could have spread to East Uletha similar to what happened in real-world Japan). It is situated in a slightly more tropical climate than real-world Japan and is smaller in total area. Like real-world Japan it is a very maritime country. The current sketch of UL30c is only a starting point for discussion and may be modified by the members of the collab later.
Questions for discussion
In this thread, we want to discuss the following topics:
Project timeline (tentative)
At the same time, start development of the capital city through collaborative work.
Discussion (write in any language! どんな言語でも書ける!)
First comment (sign your comment by typing four "~" symbols at the end of your message before clicking send).
- indent your replies by using ":", and don't forget to sign them as well.
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Q1 (Interested mappers)
- Izaland Terramorphing Committee.
Since I already own as the main country Izaland, and I am the coordinator for the Plevia project, I wouldn't have enough energies and time to map extensively in this new country. However, I would like to be able to take part to all the crucial decisions about the country, and considering that I am proficient in Japanese, act as a supervisor / communications helper between the potential users and the OGF community /neigboor countries.--Izaland Terramorphing Committee (talk) 14:15, 10 December 2022 (UTC)
Well me and Izaland has been working together to recruit Japanese mappers. Similarily I also don't have the time to map extensively here but I can help deal with the logistics of the language barrier (much like how I'm dealing with Huaxia) Kengoman (talk) 13:09, 25 January 2023 (UTC)
hewwo there (≧▽≦)/ ik I may not be able to get involved at times due to rl but still I'm pretty interested in decisionmaking for this collab and also find it a perfect opportunity to get better at my mapping skills during whatever free time I've got (つ≧▽≦)つ (btw I'm currently learning Japanese at some level between beginner and intermediate so there you go ヾ(・ω・*)) Mikumikumapper (talk) 10:35, 25 January 2023 (UTC)
As a mapper of one of the few Japanese-speaking (partly) territories in OGF, I'd totally be interested on taking up the challenge and help with a Japanese homeland project, and I think it would enrich the future of both the collab and my territory itself. I could offer support especially on the natural side of things first, establishing a topography or offering support in the climatic classification of the area, before further commitment in the form of urban/regional mapping. --Martinawa (talk) 10:52, 24 February 2023 (UTC)
Hello, I am Japanese fictional mapper invited by Izarand. There are community of fictional map in Japan, which shares similar concepts with this project. I am interested in this collaborative project because I created fictional map alone. I will be glad to support mapping in terms of language, cultures and infrastructures. Y Eba (talk) 15:58, 24 March 2023 (UTC)
Q2 (Country name)
- Tsukiriku (Japanese name in romaji)
- 月陸 (Japanese name in kanji)
- つきおか (Japanese name in hiragana)
- "land of the moon" (literal meaning of the Japanese name)
- Yuerluvia (English name derived from the Mandarin pronunciation of 月陸 - yue-lu - and the -ia suffix)
it's similar to how RW Japan got its English name from yat-bun which is the Cantonese way of saying 日本 (which in Japanese pronunciation would be nihon) so... you get the idea (ﾉ◕ヮ◕)ﾉ*:･ﾟ✧ Mikumikumapper (talk) 10:35, 25 January 2023 (UTC)
idk how you got Tsukioka from the kanji but ok... there's better ways of coming up with the original Japanese name, the kanji are usually not the literal meaning nor the root of the names irl. Better to have more people have a brainstorm session on this. Kengoman (talk) 12:48, 26 January 2023 (UTC)
I think 「つきおか」 is good idea, it implies "the place of moon", while 「日本」impies "the place where sun rises". More discussion is need to decide the name in Kanji, or English names. For example the word 「おか」can be translated into Kanji as 「岡」「丘」「陸」「邱」「阜」 --Y Eba (talk) 15:58, 24 March 2023 (UTC)
Q3 (Differences to RW Japan)
Just thought of sharing my thoughts on how different this Japan could be. I'm imagining a less urbanised Japan. Perhaps much less rich than the Japan we know of. The capital and major port could be the more affluent parts of the country, while the rest is less developed. But I doubt the Japanese mappers might be very keen on this idea, given it will be rather unimaginable of a poorer Japan. A Japan that might have industrialised late. --Zhenkang (talk) 09:40, 11 December 2022 (UTC)
yeah reading this I was pretty much thinking this should be a less affluent country than RW Japan so I surmise it could be more of a newly industrialized economy (o^ ^o) Mikumikumapper (talk) 12:23, 25 January 2023 (UTC)
Guys keep in mind that this project will not succeed without the Japanese mappers who will map them (and who we are actively trying to recruit irl in actual Japan), so it would have to be a suggestion that they will be cool with. Now in terms of late industrialization, "Early Showa Era Japan" is a theme that everyone is interested in, and moreso "Before the war early Showa Era Japan" so it could be a setup similar to that. Kengoman (talk) 13:09, 25 January 2023 (UTC)
okie... so I agree a Japanese homeland project at newly industrialized economy levels should be more like RW Japan in the early Showa era (◕‿◕)♡ (but probably without the empire aspect that defined pre-1945 Showa Japan) Mikumikumapper (talk) 13:33, 25 January 2023 (UTC)
The empire thing (at least the nationalism part) is why people even recall that aspect of history. Although the invasion and genocide part can be removed. Better era comparison is probably late Meiji/Taisho in terms of culture, although economically more like 1970's. Kengoman (talk) 12:48, 26 January 2023 (UTC)
Q4 (Collab organisation)
【EN】After presenting OGF to a number of Japanese fantasy mappers, I think we are closer to the starting of this project.
To make the candidate territory more appealing to the future mappers, I discussed with Leowezy about pre-opening part of UL30c as a collaborative Japanese language nation.
The area I selected for this experiment (where the Japanese mappers could directly try out some of their skills) would be the easternmost island shaped like Hokkaido. After some days or weeks of practice in the area, those willing to proceed with the whole country would discuss with other non Japanese interested members about how to develop this new nation.
【JA】先日、日本人の空想地図作家の方々にOGFを紹介し、ご興味を持ってくださった方が何人かいらっしゃいました。 日本語で制作していく地域（UL30c）をより求めやすくするように、最初から一部（北海道に近い東にある島）を先行開放することを提案します。 OGFを試したい方に、こちらで数日間（数週間）制作を試していただき、続く意思があれば、興味がある既存OGFメンバーと一緒に国のコンセプトを磨き、本格化を目指したいと思います。 ご感想をお待ちしております！ --Izaland Terramorphing Committee (talk) 14:41, 20 March 2023 (UTC)
- I like this idea. Would anyone else be interested in joining for such a collab "test-run"? Leowezy (talk) 18:22, 21 March 2023 (UTC)
- Thank you. How are you going to proceed? Can you make only this island a blue collaborative territory, maybe with "編集可能!" like those language constrained blue territories in Archanta?
Here is the list of the interested users:
- Izaland --Izaland Terramorphing Committee (talk) 13:16, 22 March 2023 (UTC)
- Y_Eba --Y Eba (talk) 15:58, 24 March 2023 (UTC)
- User 3...
so I was thinking as part of outreach why not promote this project on social media by targeting our promo towards people living in Japan who're interested in maps and worldbuilding and stuff like that? also I have some Japanese friends at my high school that I could promote this to so... you get the idea (◕‿◕)♡ Mikumikumapper (talk) 13:25, 25 January 2023 (UTC)
That is exactly what me and Izaland has been doing. If you can get Japanese people interested in your location that'll be cool too, just make sure to not be too overbearing with your promotion. Kengoman (talk) 12:48, 26 January 2023 (UTC)