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	Territory ID and proposed name
	The Territory ID (from OpenGeofiction:Territories, e.g. AR123a) and proposed name of the country

UL19b-østland In Islandic: Konungsríkið Nordland In Inuktitut: ᐅᑭᐅᖅᑕᖅᑐᒥ ᓄᓇ ᑭᖕᑕᒻ Ukiuqtaqtumi Nunait Kingtam

	Physical geography
	An overview of climate, topography and landscape of the country. It is advised to also create a sketch, you can add a link to this (hosted on imgur or similar)

The majority of the territory (especially the southern part) it’s taiga with small mountain ranges that reach up to 1200m, in the north of the country there are glaciers and most of the land is tundra with a very rugged coastline full of fjords, meanwhile the center of the country is very mountainous, thanks to the Hjörsk mountain range, in which there are glaciers in which most of the country's rivers are born.

	Human geography
	A brief description of the territory demographics, economic development, land occupation, infrastructure and mapping style

The population of Nordland is mainly concentrated in the south part of the country, having the 75% of the population, the north of the country only have the 6% of the population. The total population of Nordland is almost 3 million people, 87% of the population are nordlandic, 11% are inuktitut and the rest 2% are minorities: Jewish,Chukchi, Polish, almost others. The southern part are majority an agriculture land, which most of the cities, Including the capital are located, the center are majority empty because the mountains and the volcanoes, that makes the area so difficult to inhabitated, and the north of the country are so cold, so all the products are imported of the south, and the hunt of whales, fish and seales are so important to the economy of the area.

	History & culture
	A brief description of the intended culture and language

The establishment of population in Nordland dates back to 2000 years ago with the Sirmirmiutat culture (ancestors of the Inuktitut) who populated the lands until the arrival of Viking settlers in the south, so the indigenous population had to migrate north, and later there was a war for mineral resources that lasted about 20 years, which ended with Viking victory, the Vikings flourished and settled throughout Nordland, except in the north. Later the kingdom of Nordland was formed after becoming independent from Ruoguovvás by the descendants of the Vikings, dissatisfied with the treatment of the Nordland people.

	Past mapping
	To support your request provide links to areas of OGF mapping which showcase your mapping skill. Mapping relevant to the requested theme & geography is especially useful
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Puerto Rendecón

https://opengeofiction.net/#map=15/-27.0175/167.3947

Ashgali Village

https://opengeofiction.net/#map=15/-25.6981/168.1369

Providence lake and Teruel River

https://opengeofiction.net/#map=15/-26.1313/165.6359

Sierra de Bucanca (In colaboration with other users)

https://opengeofiction.net/#map=15/-26.8945/167.452

	Username & date
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DT Planner-18/09/2022

	Discussion
	Discussion for clarification & decision

Please tell me more features to improve.

Hello DT Planner.

I am Liadrien, mapper of Ruoguovvás. Looking through your application, I am hopeful about your request but have a few pointers or critiques for you as the primary neighbor of the territory.

language.

The inclusion of icelandic as primary language is not optimal, it does already exist in Norðurland, and even though EMKLI is currently inactive, it creates questions such as how that language got there. There are no other mentions of Nordic languages in the area around the great north sea. It's not a deal breaker, examples of this exists in other parts of the OGF world and I always preach that, 'as long as the mapper enjoys mapping, and does so actively, any language is good' but to further your chances, I would suggest looking into alternative languages. The area has before been cited as 'prefferably Siberian cultures/languages ' but I cannot remember when or where this was said.

About your inclusion of Inuktitut. There is currently little to no grounds for American languages in Uletha, on the same basis, it creates questions. There are languages in Archanta related to Inuktitut, and nothing of the sort in Uletha. I would suggest a native Siberian language if you believe you can pull that off. Your best bet if you want some kind of American theme, may be a conlang of some sort, I have been using the conlang Áardic in Northern Ruoguovvás, which uses sámi structure and vocabulary with Kallaalisut phonemes. I would greatly appreciate it if you were to include a related language to your territory. If you want to validate your request, using an already established language would certainly help.

History

I find your inclusion of Ruoguovvás a bit strange. Ruoguovvás does not have a wiki page as of yet so you'd be forgiven for assuming, but I do not see Ruoguovvás as ever having been on that side of the Iðitbeaivimearra. Ruoguovvás is a diverse union of arctic historic herding and fishing cultures, and is quite recent in terms of Uletha. If you want to go with the 'tyrannic overlord' theme, I'd suggest citing UL19a instead. Even if it in general isn't the best theme to go with.

The Vikings of OGF have been referenced before, but to my knowledge never in this area. Often being seen as part of the Vinn sea. It would be a strange inclusion of seafaring raiders if nobody in the area mentions them. It may be beneficial to forgo the 'vikings' term as that brings a lot of assumptions and instead refer to something else. As previously mentioned, Nordic cultures are not really referenced in this area.

Physical geography

I like that you see the area as very cold. Previous mappers in the area have not, and I hope you share the image that UL19b is no place for freeways, and the north should perhaps have no roads whatsoever. I like the idea of the tundra and the relatively low, presumably old mountains seem perfect for the area. If anything, perhaps Taiga could be a smaller part of the territory and the tundra be the majority? Seems reasonable for the latitude.

Population

I appreciate your population being relatively low. But for a country located almost entirely north of the Arctic Circle, in a part of the world where seeing the effects of a 'gulf stream' seems woefully unlikely, I find your estimate of 3 million people to be very high. I would find 1 million to perhaps be a high estimate. Keep in mind that agriculture is mostly impossible at this latitude. in addition, I would assume maybe the vast majority of the population to be in the far far south. Even more so than 75%

The name

In summary, perhaps a slight reimagining of the cultures would be beneficial. Western Siberian would be my suggestion. And in general, perhaps adapt the plan a bit more to the intense climate. Lower population etcetera. Perhaps another that could help you is doing some research on the nearby countries. ask yourself the question, how does this country relate to Ruoguovvás? To Lechia? To UL19a? In addition, it may be good to prove that you are able to map on a larger scale as well, something you'll have to do a lot in UL19b.

I wish you the best of luck and hope to see you in the future!

Hi, Liadrien, I will change the language to faroese, and the taiga its only in the southeast part, the population will change to 850000 people, 60% faroese, 35% inuktitut, and 4% chuckchi and 1% yakuts, the name will change to østland (East land) and I think its better to change the history to a colony of Ruoguovvás that have a peacefull independence in a treaty, or something like that, and i am intetresting of the faroese, because is a language that is unique and my country is based in Vinland.

-Liadrien/Amadeus

• Hello DT Planner, thank you for your application, and thank you Amadeus for you comments. (You can both sign comments by typing ~ four times, by the way). My comments:
  • The physical geography is appropiate to the location and regional concept, though providing a sketch is highly encouraged. The same goes goes for human geography.
  • The history incorporates elements of native and foreign influences with an interesting back-and-forth. Of course, relevant historic events should be coordinated with neighbours, but I see that is already taking place ;)
  • Your past mapping so far lacks some larger scale natural features, which are central to the territory's theme. In UL19b, you woulnd't get to map a lot of cities, instead the climate (as you rightfully describe it) would mostly demand a very nature-oriented mapping style.
• May I suggest the following: you and Liadrien could continue your discussion for a little bit (either here on the forum or on private messages), and you can update the proposal with the new info later. In the meantime, try to practice mapping some large-scale natural features (for me, personally, this is the most challenging aspect of mapping; so don't see this as a test of skill, more of a test for whether you enjoy this kind of mapping). I realise we don't really have any arctic blue territories. I'll therefore carve out a testing area in UL19b titled "DT Planner Testing Area" where you can experiment a little. We can then revisit your territory application in a month or two. Please let me know if you'd like this way forward. Cheers! Leowezy (talk) 17:36, 19 September 2022 (UTC)

DT Planner (talk) 19:30, 19 September 2022 (UTC)Yes, please, Its better for me practising some more natural features, specially the larger ones: like a glacier, or a taiga forest.