Talk:Albalad Siriun

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Concept

Hi, people. User:BMSOUZA here.

Formerly, in TA018, user User:TheHolyEpicpenguin created Gamen. As known, in the time I start this sandbox, Gamen was a OGF:"Lost" countries, but with well mapped features - and as Tarephia coordinator, I would like to give sequence of these things. Not as "a new owner" (I can not do it), but coordinating and opening the territory to other users who would like to detail it.

As this is not Gamen anymore, some details will remain from Gameni times, other things will change a lot. Well, this sandbox is here to debate and explain it.

Both the mapping style and the former gameni history looks like a maghrebian country, and it would fit so very well in the northern Tarephia concept I have in mind as continental coordinator. Translating to a real world concept - an arabic country with a strong latin-european presence. Well, not to be a perfect copy from Marrocos or Algeria, and also considering castellanese presence in the neighborhood (Pohenicia, Targueral), looks like castellanese is better than franquese here.

So, the main word to collaborators here is detailing!. Yes, some cities and towns still needs to be created (lets talk about it, before doing it), so much are only nodes in the map, but also take a look in the mapped areas, those needing retails, houses, places of worship, schools... can you help us?

Another important point: no one is owner of a city or town. There is coordination, but everyone is able to edit everywhere.

Also important to mention: Do not map in english. Serionic (arabic conlang) and Castellanese (spanish) are better, as explained in the next topics. English language, please use only to create references ("future museum", "future oil refinery", etc) -- BMSOUZA (talk) 18:05, 29 April 2019 (CEST)


History

Louis walker is creating a detailed and reallistic history to Albalad Siriun and (almost) all this part of Tarephia.

National Flag proposals

Please, use the Pan Arab Colours (as seen in https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pan-Arab_colors) in the proposals, even considering Albalad Siriun is NOT a "New Mazan".

For now, this table is just to proposals - we do not have a deadline to decide about it yet.

Collaborator Country Flag Notes
BMSOUZA GamenFlag.png Intention to keep the gameni flag, under User:TheHolyEpicpenguin permit.

Geography

Economy, infrastructure, landscape

The Albalad Siriun economy, highly based in Petrol production, is not so open to international companies.

Transportation

Aerial

Big airports, only in Haez and Idnah. Other cities can have small airports, but please be reallistic before creating aerodromes in close towns. -- BMSOUZA (talk) 18:05, 29 April 2019 (CEST)

Railways

Roads

There is no need to create more motorways/ trunk roads/ primary roads. User:TheHolyEpicpenguin created a good and realistic roads grid.

Ref Type Name Notes
  M1   Motorway Autopista Haez- Idnah via Toraki, Port Damescu
  M2   Motorway Autopista Idnah- Shanu via Byz, Slyzat
  M3   Motorway Haez Loop (needing serionic name) Haez Capital Area Loop
  M4   Motorway Autopista Idnah- Vakopu
  M5   Motorway Autopista Haez- Shanu via Khyraz/ till TA023 frontier
  M6   Motorway Autopista Haez- Slyzat
  M7   Motorway Autopista Haez- Byz
  M8   Motorway Autopista Idnah- TA021
  M9   Primary Autopista Slyzat- Nagrath
  M10   Primary Autopista Port Damescu- Al Gahazi Trans Serion Highway
  Z1-3   Primary Autopista Haez- Idnah coastal primary road
  Z2-2   Primary Autopista Haez- Khyraz
  Z2-3   Primary Autopista Haez- Zyrmaz
  Z2-1   Primary along central governorade river
  Z2-2   Primary Autopista Jawan- (M2)
  Z2-3   Primary Autopista Toraki- (Houan Governorade)
  Zx-x   Primary
  Zx-x   Primary

Maritime

The only cargo ports in Albalad Siriun are located in Puerto Vakopu. Cities like Haez, Port Damescu and Jawan can have ports but only to passenger usage (to Albalad Siriun islands), not to heavy cargo. -- BMSOUZA (talk) 14:51, 21 May 2019 (CEST)

Military Areas

(TBD)

Foreigner Relations

As wrote, Albalad Siriun is not a so much democratic place. So, would be not usual creating a lot of embassies in Haez, or to Albalad Siriun in a lot of countries. Think well why your country would keep relations with Albalad Siriun before asking for embassies or sibling cities.

Languages, Ethnicity, Religion, Culture

Albalad Siriun speaks the not so well defined Serionic Language - a conlang, sounding like a mix of mazanic (arab) and turquese, but not necessarily using real words from these languages.

Is needed a small word list, only to name features in the map - we do not need to create verbs in mapping.

Thanks User:Alessa and User:Voivod for the help here!

Local Language Castellanese Ingerish Notes
qalla, ruta, maleth, aermaleth calle, autopista, puerto, aeropuerto street, motorway, port, airport transportation
(...), masjeed, (...), (...) ayuntamiento, mezquita, iglesia, embajada townhall, mosque, church, embassy government and buildings
adawit, rafahiriya, ketabiriya, hakal universidad, hospital, biblioteca, palacio university, hospital, library, palace government and buildings
(...), polisiya, (...), (...) escuela, policía, estación de bomberos, museo school, police, fire station, museum government and buildings
(...), (...), (...) ciudad, pueblo, villa city, town, village urban features
(...), (...), (...), (...), lago, río, playa, bahía, isla lake, river, beach, bay, island landscapes
har, emka, ker montaña, valle, pastizal mountain, valley, pasture landscapes
(...), (...), (...), (...) norte, sur, este, oeste north, south, east, west wind rose
(...), (...), (...) armada, marina, fuerza aérea army, navy, air force military
(...), (...), (...), (...) pequeño, grande, largo, corto small, big, long, short others
(...), (...), (...), (...), (...), (...) rojo, verde, blanco, negro, amarillo, azul red, green, white, black, yellow, blue colours
Qashlan, Al-Kaza, Merracu, Pohenisiya Castellán, Al-Kaza, Merracos, Pohenicia Castellán, Al-Kaza, Merracos, Pohenicia related countries
others
others

Sports

Local people like sports, but it is not a so much important thing to the country. This way, we do not need so much sports grounds. It is created a table, but please include here only mapped sports grounds. Please, no history of any sports league.

Sport League Team/ Club/ Owner Colours Ground
Football N/A National Team, National League N/A National de Haez
Football N/A National Team, National League N/A Regional de Idnah
Football National 1 Ethad Haez Blue/ White Ethad, Haez
Football National 1 Shbab Haez Black/ White Shbab, Haez
Football National 1 Ahali Idnah Ahali, Idnah
Football National 1 Maser Vakopu Maser, Pt.Vakopu
Football National 1 Qashlan Vakopu Red/ Yellow Qashlan, Pt.Vakopu
Football National 1 Maleth Damescu
Football National 1 Dhyb Damescu
Football National 1 Tarefiya Damescu
Football National 1 Ayniha Slyzat
Football National 1 Heelel Khyraz
Football National 1 Tabariya Shanu
Football National 1 Namuh Jawan Orange/ Black Yhaida, Jawan
Football National 1 Ul-Serionik (Yemones) Black/ White
Football National 2 Maleth Vakopu Purple/ Lime Green Maleth, Pt.Vakopu
Football National 2 Azra Mezi Green/ White
Horse Racing N/A Jockey Klub de Buthami N/A Jockey Klub, Buthami
Basketball, Martial Arts, etc N/A Zamin Industrial N/A Arena Zamin, Pt.Vakopu

User's Progress

BMSOUZA

  • Right now, I am focused in duplicating some main roads in Haez, and detailing that downtown -- BMSOUZA (talk) 18:05, 29 April 2019 (CEST)
  • Detailing sports grounds, tram rails and some main road main junctions within Haez urban area. Looking for the ideal place to the National University and some main hospitals without substantial changes in the current street grid. Richest and "international" area will be in eastern Haez. Considering to create ministeries and government buildings also in this area. -- BMSOUZA (talk) 15:12, 2 May 2019 (CEST)
  • Still need detailing the tram rails and stations in the old Downtown. But now, there is a National Stadium in eastern Haez, exactly close to the "international area", with embassies, hotels and some expensive comercial areas. Still in this part of the city, was created the Portal Serionic Towers. Not one of the tallest in the OGF-World, but nice gemini towers with an elevated pedestrian passage, like a portal from the world to the modern Haez. -- BMSOUZA (talk) 00:41, 10 May 2019 (CEST)
  • Still a lot of work to do in Haez, but today I am starting to edit in Puerto Vakopu. Downtown, the railways and the Container Park are my focus for now. -- BMSOUZA (talk) 17:48, 14 May 2019 (CEST)
  • Creating some "urban limits" and houses in south Puerto Vakopu. -- BMSOUZA (talk) 15:08, 19 May 2019 (CEST)
  • I did not finish yet what I need to do in the Haez tramways, and looks like the ideas about Puerto Vakopu urban areas are clear in the map if someone wishes to continue it, but I am right now starting a personal project in Jawan. This city will "really" looks like an RW-arabic city, inspired in the way usually are the street grid and blocks in RW-cities like Riyad and Abu Dhabi. A perfect example in OGF I can mention is the mapping work in Pakuan city by okiazr, and Jawan is going to be a test - the focus is creating a big city following this mapping style in Port Damescu someday. -- BMSOUZA (talk) 16:11, 24 May 2019 (CEST)

Brunanter

This sounds like an interesting project. I can help if you like. One of my ideas is, perhaps modify the transliterated names of the places to a closer Spanish orthography. Ex. Aqaan to Acuán, Agyn to Agín. Maybe someone with better command of Arabic can later on transcribe the names to Serionic. Brunanter (talk) 22:19, 29 April 2019 (CEST)

Hi, Brunanter. We will keep the names as they are, maybe change only a few ones - except if User:TheHolyEpicpenguin say to change. Albalad Siriun is not to be seen as a castellanese colony anytime in its history. The help that Albalad Siriun need right now is about mapping in some maghrebian style. Thank you! -- BMSOUZA (talk) 22:32, 29 April 2019 (CEST)
What about "European quarters"; I can see a lot of towns with Castellanese (or other Ulethan) quarters, whereby the old town (kasbah/medina) is primarily home to the locals, and newer c. 19th-20th century) residential quarters away from the center to be home to foreigners. Brunanter (talk) 22:42, 29 April 2019 (CEST)
Still following as Gamen was (but now, with another name and other mappers), yes, Albalad Siriun is home to a lot of immigrants - not necessarily from "European Uletha", they also can be from Tarephian countries. But it does not means creating places with names in other languages. Anyway I still would like to understand how would be the mapping of these foreigner quarters. -- BMSOUZA (talk) 22:51, 29 April 2019 (CEST)
Names can always be developed later on, as well as the foreigners in the towns, but I see these foreign quarters are modern, wider streets, lots of green areas (where possible), gated housing communities. I know a friend whos father worked in Saudi Arabia in the oil area as a technician and they lived in a more modest house in a gated area, but wealthier people (diplomats, miltiary officers, politicians, businesspeople) might leave in bigger houses, even mansions. Brunanter (talk) 23:05, 29 April 2019 (CEST)
Interesting. Before you wrote, I as exactly thinking about UAE, where my father and a lot of job colleagues was some years ago. Anyway, these "foreigner quarters" are not away from the local mapping. Would you like to try something? Where? Haez, where I am editing right now, is the capital and main city. Port Vakopu maybe also be a good place, but we would need to re-create some area - I was planning to do it later. But I am open to your ideas. -- BMSOUZA (talk) 23:20, 29 April 2019 (CEST)
A port city is a good idea to start; Perhaps some larger houses inland in a gated communities with lots of trees, parks, better shops/stores for foreign shipping and port managers/supervisors/HQ, and perhaps another quarter with smaller, more basic houses and amenities for foreign dock workers, closer to the port. Brunanter (talk) 23:30, 29 April 2019 (CEST)
I still will edit the railways someday, but I think the best place to you create something like that is in this area. But please, do not create "so-european" mapping. -- BMSOUZA (talk) 23:37, 29 April 2019 (CEST)
I will start here first, with smaller, more upscale community for foreign businessmen, port supervisors and managers, locally-based shipping people and families. Maybe a border barrier of some sort at the back of the community. Brunanter (talk) 23:46, 29 April 2019 (CEST)
Good place too, even being so close the national border. But please do not decrease so much the forest area. Lets go! -- BMSOUZA (talk) 23:56, 29 April 2019 (CEST)
I gave it a start. Made the "Residencial Club Campestre", golf club area etc. I might complete more later. Brunanter (talk) 00:53, 30 April 2019 (CEST)
Update for today: Added Estadio 1 de Mayo here, air base here, and added a central train station. Brunanter (talk) 23:40, 1 May 2019 (CEST)
I am happy about your collaboration in southern Albalad Siriun, but I will need to change some of your edits. As Albalad Siriun is a strongly militarized country, not necessarily a strong democracy, military areas can not be under easy access, like that train station. Also, still because the military importance, their locations need to be discussed before creating. But I also need to say "Thank you" because you are helping this project. -- BMSOUZA (talk) 03:15, 2 May 2019 (CEST)
At least you kept the base, it is a smaller one for propeller planes and helicopters, but the train station was intended for supplying to the base, and not public access. Yeah I will help it for as long as I can (I don't have a territory yet, requested Ul212, so this is my main project). Brunanter (talk) 21:46, 2 May 2019 (CEST)

As I change something in the street grid of the city, I am moving the central station to a more central location. Soon I will also add more details in the small stadium you created, -- BMSOUZA (talk) 15:17, 15 May 2019 (CEST)

TheHolyEpicpenguin

How could I not to mention the user who created all the things to start this project? hehehe -- BMSOUZA (talk) 13:44, 10 May 2019 (CEST)

Louis walker

The master of serionic history, hehehe! -- BMSOUZA (talk) 16:33, 1 September 2019 (CEST)