Talk:Federal States

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Question

The owner of Passamaqueets has declared part of his state independent. Is this outside the rules?
Rhiney boi (talk) 22:17, 4 June 2019 (CEST)

He must've made a mistake. Secession clearly cannot be permitted. Brunanter (talk) 22:23, 4 June 2019 (CEST)
His edit comments suggest otherwise. "Editing Eleutheria", and the country has the same name.
Rhiney boi (talk) 22:39, 4 June 2019 (CEST)
I'll see what's up. -TheMayor (talk) 23:37, 4 June 2019 (CEST)

Border Dilemma

Hello, I was told to post this here despite my doubts that anybody here will be able to help in any way, blame "admin". Basically, someone made an edit that deleted the Northern border of AR120-09 (Penquisset) and the southern border of Arghenna. I emailed the admin asking if he could just revert the change set, but he told me not to email him that issue and post it here. Not sure what you guys can do, but have at it! Changset: https://opengeofiction.net/changeset/561592#map=10/-39.7622/159.4876 --Zytik (talk) 16:29, 9 July 2018 (CEST)

The edit is reverted. The point to take away is that this can be done community-wide by anyone who has JOSM and the reverter plugin. In fact, you might wish to consider using JOSM as your means of editing. It's a free download and only requires Java to run. It's not the end-all, be-all; but, it is far more powerful and useful than iD or Potlatch. Getting it set up once downloaded is quite easy, too.Alessa (talk) 18:28, 9 July 2018 (CEST)
I do use JOSM, But I was unaware of a reverting feature. Interesting, and thank you! --Zytik (talk) 19:18, 9 July 2018 (CEST)
Happy to help. As a note, the reverter takes a bit of getting used to when doing partial reverts, as there can be numerous conflicts that you'll encounter. If you need help, don't be afraid to ask. — Alessa (talk) 21:45, 9 July 2018 (CEST)

Category

Dear Histor, why is (FSA) in the title/page name (the same for the category)? This seems to be not common in the wiki.--Mstr (talk) 13:27, 25 May 2018 (CEST)

In addition, to pronounce the strength and self-confidence of the country, it would be better to simply name it Federal States (everyone knows that this means Federal States of Archanta)! Just like US in wikipedia.--Mstr (talk) 13:32, 25 May 2018 (CEST)
In the OGF-wiki we often have "global-categories" of a land as a so called portal with the same name as the land itself (p.e. Latina and many others). So I think it is helpful to have a portal for the FSA. If this now is named as "Category:Federal States of Archanta (FSA)" or only "FSA" or "Federal States" for me is no important question. But if you will change - I think only the short "FSA" may be the best name of the category -- or? --Histor (talk) 13:45, 25 May 2018 (CEST)
To use categories is not my problem, just the name of it and the name of the country's page. So what about moving the page to "Feder States", linking "Federal States of Archanta" to "Federal States" and naming the category "Federal States"?--Mstr (talk) 17:35, 25 May 2018 (CEST)
If you mean, "Federal States" is a better category - move it. At all the other country-categories nobody has seen a problem, but if you think, it is important, you may do the work. Most important is, that there is a common portal for all "AR-120 / FSA"-articles in the wiki --Histor (talk) 18:04, 25 May 2018 (CEST)

Currency and driving side

I think, for all states in the FSA should be one currency and always the driving side on the right. Therefore this items in the state-templates may not be occur. Other meaning? --Histor (talk) 18:08, 25 May 2018 (CEST)

Random Question - regional languages

Sorry to intrude (I do not work in the FSA), but does the FSA have any other regional languages besides Ingerish? This question just came to me because the FSA is so big and there are so many other nations bordering it with other languages. --Trombonist2003 (talk) 19:25, 20 July 2018 (CEST)

In my state Template:Teenesccan, I am developing the capital with a Kalmish history and some aspects of their colonisation are still present (eg. names of people, street names). --Rhiney boi (talk) 03:17, 15 April 2019 (CEST)

Regions and ZIP-Cide and Telephone-Code

As I see, the FAS has 9 regions (Huntigton, NE, SE, Central N, Central W, Lake, SW Corridor, Mountain, Far NW). So far as I know, Alorman is not a part of the FAS (then the boundary should be set from admin-level 4 to 2).

FSAregions.jpg

Is it planed, to set the fitst digit of a ZIP-code and / or Telephone-Code for a region? (I do not know, which other sense this regions should have). We can discuss here several questions

  • 1) shall have Huntingdon an own first digit, or can it incorporated in the region "Northeast"?
  • 2) must have the small Southwest Corridor have an own digit, or can it be an "appendix" of the Lake-region?
  • 3) the green or the blue numbers - or an other numbering?
  • 4) shall ZIP- and telefon-Code go parallel with the same numbers?
  • 5) Can Stanton have "21.." or "31.." as most important city in this South-East Region? --Histor (talk) 15:17, 3 May 2019 (CEST)
See also User:Wangi/Sandbox/OGF:FSA State profiles, which clarifies which states are in which region. Yes, Alorman is part of the FSA, and it is in North Central region, along with Tejoma. Huntington can be considered part of the Southeast region, or maybe a region 0?
Anyway - you'll see each region has an ogf:id (AR120-10 through AR120-90), with the states within having an id within that range too. So, any other codes really should match that formula. /wangi (talk) 16:00, 3 May 2019 (CEST)
To keep things simple with postal codes and assuming each state will have fewer than 1,000 unique postal areas, I'd suggest a five-digit postal code system, where the first two digits are the OGF state identifier (e.g., in Minnonigan, which is AR120-55, all postal codes would be 55XXX) and let each state determine how they want to distribute their individual postal codes. This also guarantees grouping codes by region and allows us to avoid any potential duplicates (except within the same state, but that's on the individual state owner). Telephone codes will likely be a livelier conversation that should be posted in the forum for further discussion. -TheMayor (talk) 18:31, 3 May 2019 (CEST)
Good to know, that Alorman is region "9". Sorry, that I remember an other result of this discussion.
@ Wangi: You mean, that the AR120-XX number can be the leading digits for things as ZIP-code and/or Telephone-Code? Why not. New Carnaby with its "11" then it is a good base for a city like Stanton.
P.S. Oakhill (AR120-03) you can set blue in yout list - I answered all questions. --Histor (talk) 20:07, 3 May 2019 (CEST)
I had thought that it was state code and 4 numbers (for TN, 13xxxx). If we settle on three, then that is fine.
Rhiney boi (talk) 18:58, 4 May 2019 (CEST)
About telephone numbers, I nominate the following plan.
10 digit number xx-xxx-xxxxx
The first two digits represent the state code
Each state is allowed to have their own plan for the other 8 numbers.
Emergency number is 131 (I, as owner of AR120-13, am fine with letting the emergency number take my state code number).
Rhiney boi (talk) 22:10, 5 May 2019 (CEST)
This will not run fine. State-code for New Carnaby is "11" and then 8 digits? What with a town like Stanton with nearly 9 000 000 inhabitants? On the other hand a state like Oakhill (03) with 400 000 inhabitants - why 8 digits? --Histor (talk) 00:03, 6 May 2019 (CEST)
I didn't consider that. Apologies.
I just wanted some variation instead of xxx-xxx-xxxx. Maybe we could do xxxx-xx-xxxx instead, with a list of 4-digit area codes for each state?
Rhiney boi (talk) 00:16, 6 May 2019 (CEST)

Statistics showing mapping progress

A new tool to count the "amount of mapping":

  • AR120-03: 249843 nodes + 44956 ways + 338 relations = 295137 in total
  • AR120-04: 80836 nodes + 10454 ways + 336 relations = 91626 in total
  • AR120-07: 31011 nodes + 1957 ways + 209 relations = 33177 in total
  • AR120-09: 372312 nodes + 18030 ways + 107 relations = 390449 in total
  • AR120-11: 557336 nodes + 68521 ways + 836 relations = 626693 in total
  • AR120-12: 61928 nodes + 7446 ways + 155 relations = 69529 in total
  • AR120-13: 148827 nodes + 36214 ways + 16 relations = 185057 in total
  • AR120-14: 7724 nodes + 1052 ways + 8 relations = 8784 in total
  • AR120-15: 194647 nodes + 16251 ways + 68 relations = 210966 in total
  • AR120-16: 7750 nodes + 418 ways + 8 relations = 8176 in total
  • AR120-17: 77803 nodes + 7198 ways + 11 relations = 85012 in total
  • AR120-19: 39969 nodes + 2808 ways + 61 relations = 42838 in total
  • AR120-43: 157759 nodes + 7382 ways + 129 relations = 165270 in total
  • AR120-44: 24843 nodes + 1145 ways + 27 relations = 26015 in total
  • AR120-51: 15953 nodes + 1281 ways + 36 relations = 17270 in total
  • AR120-52: 37837 nodes + 3594 ways + 19 relations = 41450 in total
  • AR120-53: 23034 nodes + 3447 ways + 13 relations = 26494 in total
  • AR120-54: 84333 nodes + 10871 ways + 64 relations = 95268 in total
  • AR120-58: 436725 nodes + 32608 ways + 1484 relations = 470817 in total
  • AR120-59: 71664 nodes + 7331 ways + 83 relations = 79078 in total
  • AR120-63: 165638 nodes + 25425 ways + 187 relations = 191250 in total
  • AR120-71: 56990 nodes + 3227 ways + 105 relations = 60322 in total
  • AR120-84: 47550 nodes + 808 ways + 75 relations = 48433 in total
  • AR120-91: 348318 nodes + 14604 ways + 287 relations = 363209 in total
Unfortunately, the number says nothing about quality. But enjoy!--Mstr (talk) 17:38, 17 July 2019 (CEST)
Ratio of average nodes per way could indicate some quality —Zytik (talk) 19:03, 17 July 2019 (CEST)
Cool. How do you collect this data? --Yoyo21 (talk) 23:18, 17 July 2019 (CEST)
Look at the source code, it's a simple overpass query.--Mstr (talk) 23:28, 17 July 2019 (CEST)
Does more or less nodes per way indicate better mapping quality? --Megacity2005Creator (talk) 01:11, 18 July 2019 (CEST)
In general not. If you think of a single building simply mapped by 4 nodes or the same building mapped with much more details, you would have more nodes per way. On the other hand there are many tags placed on single nodes, not mapping them would "improve" your mapping since it promotes the ratio. Since relations are technically more difficult, the number of relations might be an indicator. But counting the number of tags per node/way would also indicate detailed mapping. Or like Luciano does it, count the names. So judging about quality was not the purpose of this template.--Mstr (talk) 02:03, 18 July 2019 (CEST)

Railways

If you set your railway in a link I think that is it. This leads to further information. It is not helpful to set a map in this oversight, this maps you can see in the special article. Now you must scroll and scroll to have an oversight. This is only the generally FSA-article, no special railway article. So let us delete this maps. Other meaning? --Histor (talk)

I nested the maps into a gallery, which I think is a good compromise. -TheMayor (talk) 21:54, 17 July 2019 (CEST)
o.k. - better so as before. --Histor (talk) 00:08, 18 July 2019 (CEST)

The tables

I don't see the point in having the state list be collapsible. That is essential information that must be easily seen, in my opinion. --Yoyo21 (talk) 13:50, 18 August 2019 (CEST)

Essential? If I want to read about the FS in general (that's the purpose of the page) I don't have to know about the area of xxxx or yyyy. This kind of information is nice to have, but it makes the page unreadable. Please don't use -tags without at the end! --Mstr (talk) 14:00, 18 August 2019 (CEST)
And we should think about removing redundant information. Why do we have to list everything which is already listet in 5 other lists? Data is inconsistent after a few weeks since almost nobody checks it.--Mstr (talk) 14:03, 18 August 2019 (CEST)
Where else is the airport information listed? --Yoyo21 (talk) 14:24, 18 August 2019 (CEST)
In the airport list?!--Mstr (talk) 16:05, 18 August 2019 (CEST)
Notice how no other country wiki has collapsible tables. The country owners must've not thought their page was "unreadable", and nobody objected, thus meaning that you are likely the only one with the "readability" issue. That state list is definitely important. This wiki doesn't even have all that much information on it, not enough to even warrant collapsible tables in the first place! As a compromise to this dilemma, I would be fine with having the energy map stay collapsible, but not the state list. --Yoyo21 (talk) 17:19, 18 August 2019 (CEST)
The airport information is redundant, the railway company information is redundant, states are "coordinated" on other pages as well, a list of states is not needed and additional information (like area) is nice to have (to compare states), but not necessary for the FS as a country in general! Just look at the US article in wikipedia. No other country page here consists of long long tables where you have to scroll down for hours... Take a look at RW examples before you continue the discussion... --Mstr (talk) 17:33, 18 August 2019 (CEST)
But the RW wiki also has tons of other links that explain and go into further detail about these topics. The amount of tables would then be spread over many links and articles. On our OGF wiki, this would be overwikification. I suppose the tables on this wiki could be made smaller, though, such as the tables in the Pretany page. Tables that you don't have to scroll down for hours to get through! --Yoyo21 (talk) 17:49, 18 August 2019 (CEST)
But we still have all information in the article, so instead of many pages you just click "expand". We cannot make the table smaller, it will become much longer if all states are in this table. What's the sense of it, does it tell anything about the FS? No, it does not! A sentence that there are xx states and states are divided to counties, etc. is much more informative than listing numbers, tons of numbers.--Mstr (talk) 18:02, 18 August 2019 (CEST)
In addition, most of the information is redundant! State information is given on state pages. Opening new tables showing content which is available somewhere else makes nort much sense and leads to inconsistencies!--Mstr (talk) 18:06, 18 August 2019 (CEST)
I am DEFINITELY sure that the states within the Federal States are important in the Federal States wiki article. You also can't list all of the states in a table. This discussion, I feel, is going nowhere. --Yoyo21 (talk) 03:16, 19 August 2019 (CEST)
Treating the list of states of the Federal States the same as we treat the list of railroads, airports, and power plants seems pretty silly. I don’t see the argument that a table showing what states are part of the nation makes the article too long but it’s fine to go into granular detail about electrical transmission and the various voltages used by interstate transmission lines.
That said, we do need to better organize the FSA’s in-world wiki presence; development of an FSA wiki portal is a stated objective of the project. I’m thinking we should create a coordinator-level position for someone to hone, refine, and improve the FSA wiki. -TheMayor (talk) 04:06, 19 August 2019 (CEST)