Welcome to the talk page featuring a collaboration between Altavia, Bloregia, and Eäßnordælånd.
Possible areas of collaboration:
- Monetary union like euro?
- Military cooperation?
- Cultural events and exchange: music, performing arts, visual arts?
- Sport events?
- Shared embassies in some countries?
- Nature protection?
The above map is a suggestion for boundary changes that may have taken place during The World War. In this suggestion, "TripleCity" was part of Eäßnordælånd before the war, but it could have been originally a medieval Altavian fortress.
A possible line of events: Altavia has earlier allied with Tircambry, Eäßnordælånd with Pretany. As Tircambry and Pretany are on the edge of a war in early 20th century, Altavia and Tircambry share an interest to protect the mining in Grandvale and to secure transports to the harbours in Anders Lang (then part of Eäßnordælånd), so they attack Eäßnordæŀånd to move the borders eastward. Altavia also sees a possibility to reconquer the TripleCity area that it considers part of its national heritage. As the War starts, Bloregia first loses its north-eastern part to Pretany, but later allies with Norðurland in war with Altavia & Tircambry, on the same side with Pretany. When the war ends, as a result of complicated peace negotiations, the present boundaries are drawn, including the division of TripleCity along the riverlines. The three countries start to cooperate to avoid future conflicts. Monetary union and memberships in VEC come a bit later.
I made pages for Altavian, Bloregian, and Eäßnordælåndic(ian?) history, so you can all put down your ideas for histories. I have already written a lot of the early history for Altavia. --Infrarrojo (talk) 15:22, 28 June 2018 (CEST)
Impressing history details! However, I think the actual TripleCountry page should focus on the modern era of cooperation, older history should be written in detail only on our respective countries' pages. Anyway, this discussion page is good for discussion. Please read about Bloregian history here. On this discussion page, I will show possible new content for our discussion. --LemonKing (talk) 13:04, 29 June 2018 (CEST)
This is directly taken from Altavia, but edited a little bit to fit the history.
The first humans in Altavia migrated from what is now Pretany to southern Altavia in ~-300. Later, humans came in from Vinnmark to Dolmoyal. They founded Altavia's first city at Dolmoyal, and eventually spread throughout the island. They preferred Dolmoy over mainland Altavia because of its significantly friendlier climate. Not even explorers could cross the Frijorns separating them from the southerners.
Unification of Northern Altavia under Atamasa
Before 755, the area that is now Altavia was split between many countries, with Dolmoy mostly controlled by the powerful Dolmoyans. In the south of modern-day Altavia, the tribal horde called the Serivans reigned supreme. In the east, the prosperous Ezelvens lived mostly in isolation. This story features Atamasa, originally a merchant republic turned absolute monarchy, composed of Litenøyjuvel and southern Dolmoy. In 755, Queen Merina of Atamasa married King Dojohaffsen of Ytalansa in a marriage with matrilineal inheritence (a rare case), forming a union between the two countries. King Dojohaffsen died suddenly in a suspicious murder making Merina of Atamasa the Queen of both kingdoms. This created a kingdom formed of the areas of Asavanate, Litenoyjuvel, and Ytalansabyen. The kingdom quickly became the second most powerful country in Altavia after the Dolmoyans, who controlled all of the northern part of Dolmoy. Scared to lose power, Queen Merina took absolute control of the trade in the region, much to the anger of the Dolmoyans. Little did she now that this would eventually be Atamasa's downfall- but for now, the main goal was to control the trade and fill the royal coffers. Slowly, Queen Merina and her heiress-niece Atlasa gained control of many of the major trading ports in Altavia. Soon, the Dolmoyans became very jealous of Atamasan control of the major ports in the region. Fearing to be attacked himself by a stronger future Atamasa, Dolmoyan King Lloyen attacked in 801, citing a claim over all Dolmoy. The large Dolmoyan army and navy swept through Altavia. The royal family was forced to flee at the siege of Litenøyjuvel.
When the family made plans to flee eastward to (their ally?) Tirmorion (in modern day Tircambry), young Prince Karé took up the path of sword at 812, left his family to flee and led the last of the Atamasan army and every last ship to a new location, which he named "Byen", Atamasan for town. The Dolmoyans returned to Dolmoyal, thinking the Atamasans defeated. But Karé had more plans. Slowly rebuilding his forces at Byen, Karé planned for the new war. Revolutionizing how battles would be fought, he created a new form of unit. First, he came to use the longsword and a full suit of armour. The armour could not be penetrated by Dalmatian archers, and the longsword could outrange the swordsmen. Second, he created the knight, a special type of cavalry. While they did not fare well against Dolmoyan pikemen just like older cavalry units, they could use both of these units to outflank the enemy and gain the advantage, using new tools to allow them to fight against a much greater force. An iron mine north of Altaviabyen funded this effort. But the final and perhaps most crucial technique was the trebuchet- used to siege down forts. By 821, a brave Karé was ready for war. However, there was one thing they had not planned for- getting this heavy force across the river to the island of Dolmoy. Fortunately, Karé's team of engineers was ready for this. They built a revolutionary bridge and stormed into Dalmoy from the south. Diagonal pikes allowed for the bridge to carry heavier weights. The Dolmoyans were taken by surprise and annihilated, their methods proved useless against the newly advanced technology. King Karé proclaimed himself ruler of the "Twin Nations of Atamasa and Dolmoy" in 833. This was the beginning of a golden age for Atamasa. Karé extended his kingdom up to the Frijorns in 835, and conquered north into Angers land by 838. The following golden age would last over a century. But after every golden age, there must be a dark age.
The Serivan Conquest
The dark age of Atamasa came swiftly from the mountains in 952. From beyond the Frijorns came the Serivans, a band of tribal warlords who were famous for their nomadic warfare. Unfortunately, King Trybal could not have been ruler at a worse time. He demanded to lead the army, but with no training, he was a terrible leader. He lost the support of his troops, who rioted against him. He was forced to surrender everything that the Twin Kingdoms had to the Serivans. Serivan Queen Warintawn led her troops incredibly, defeating a much greater force and sweeping over the whole region, even conquering small city-states like Awadasé that the Twin Kingdoms simply left alone. When she marched into Byen, she was impressed by the splendor of the city. When she walked into the palace in 958, there was nobody there to stop her.
The Serivans brought their own culture to the region. Queen Warintawn decided to allow the Dolmoyans and the Atamasans to keep their culture. However, the Atamasans were unhappy with being ruled by a non-Atamasan, so one murdered the queen in 964. After a brief power struggle, the extremely cruel but wise King Vanchikul came to rule over the kingdom in 965. He made Serivan the only language that could be written- although there was no way to stop Dolmoyan and Atamasan speakers from speaking their language in private. During his 45-year reign, the Dolmoyan and Atamasan languages became much more similar than ever before, to the point of becoming mutually intelligible and varients of one language. Because of this powerful language spoken by the majority of the populace, Vanchikul grew tired and set his eyes east on the country of Ezelvenbourg. It was conquered swiftly, and the height of Serivan power was attained. Vanchikul was murdered at the age of 51 in the year 1000. The next ruler, Seriphaa, ruled more fairly, but generally the Dolmoyans and Altavians were suppressed. In 1061, he was replaced by his nephew Altava.
King Altava and the formation of Altavia
bridging up to shared history
19-year-old Altava came to rule in 1063 after a very brief but very bloody power struggle. Memories of this softened his early reign, and he reigned far less harshly over the Dolmoyans and Atamasans, even giving them equal rights as Serivans. First, he created a university in the capital, loosened Serivan law to allow for scientific advancements, and also provided funding for them. He founded a bank in Byen, and set the currency to the Lisoeta, small bronze coins made of bronze mined from Granvale. He funded increases in diamond production at the Diamond mines in Granvale, and also funded trade missions in the northeast. This was expensive, but he chose to tax more heavily against the rich rather than the poor. However, the royal family grew weak, and there was no suitable heir in sight. Thinking back to the bloody power struggle and how that would return, 55-year-old Altava decided to heir the throne "to the people", establishing one of the first democracies. In the last years of his life, he made a court where all citizens could expect the same standards written in the law. He gave citizens protection against the government, to speak and move where they will. This protected the blooming printing industry. He created a Senate where elected representatives voted on issues, and created a role called the "prime minister" to enforce the law and keep the country secure. He created 9 districts (and the capitol) which were all governed by governors. And Altava died at the age of 61, dreaming of a future for the people.
In 1104, Prime Minister Karl was elected to be the first prime minister. Serivans, Dolmoyans, and Atamasans all participated in the government, though Karl was a Dolmoy. The name Serivan no longer fit the multicultural country, so the Senate proposed the countries' name to be changed to Altavia, to honour the late king. It passed nearly unanimously and the country was renamed. Dolmoyan-Atamasan and Serivan became co-official as languages of the state. Dolmoyan and Atamasan had become so close together, but a similar form of writing still did not exist. Scholar Kåre created an alphabet for the new language:
A B C D E F G H I J K L M N O P Q R S T U V W X Y Z Å Æ Ø É
He made a dictionary of all Dolmoyan-Atamasan words in this common language. He submitted it to the Senate, and they accepted it and named it Altavian. The next year, in 1114, power was peacefully transferred to a new Prime Minister, the Serivan Saatvish. The power of democracy was proven, and a new golden age started, one that lasted hundreds of years and made Altavia a shining diamond of freedom and scientific advancement.
In 1214, Awadasé joined the Vinnic League. 2 years later, Dolmoyal also joined.
Much later, in 1401, Altaviabyen and Litenøyjuvel joined as well.
In 1423, Altaviabyen left because of the newly strengthened idea of sovereignty, with Altavians wanting to remove their capital from the league to keep Altavian independence and sovereignty.
Altavia fought against Christicism's influence in 1500, and results were mixed by region. However, the government remained secular as it had always been.
Wars with Bloregia (world war?)
Since nobody was really working on this page over my vacation now that I'm back I'll start it with some discussion points.
-War would start in 1930s?
-Tircambry and Altavia (if so we need to message Pawl) attack Eassnordeland, who is allied with Pretany (bhj867)
-Bloregia at first sides with Altavia, but then gets it's western part conquered by Pretany.
-Tircambry and Altavia take the land east of Granvale
-Bloregia allies with Norðurland (EMKLI) aginst Eassnordeland and Pretany
-Bloregia takes northwestern Eassnordeland
-Bloregia and Norðurland ally with Eassnordeland and Pretany to defeat Altavia
-Bloregia takes Angersland from Altavia
- You probably meant eastern part of Bloregia conquered by Pretany (orange zone)? Otherwise what you write makes sense. It leaves open questions though. Here's some further thoughts:
- So, was Altavia defeated? I gues in a way, yes, if you only look at the local battles in the end part of the war. But outcome of the World War between the big blocks outlined here would be more complex without a clear winner. In the peace negotiations on our area, there could be three parties:
- (1) Tircambry & Altavia demand that Altavia gets to keep the area east of Grandvale,
- (2) Pretany and Eassnordaelånd would agree to this if the orange area of former Bloregia is annexed into Eassnordaelånd, and
- (3) Nordurland and Bloregia reluctantly accept this if Anders lang and the occupied green area of former Eassnordaelånd are annexed into Bloregia. These three blocks could remain military and political unions for a short period after the war, but as soon as our three small nations regain full independence, they put aside the the war-time alliances and start their intimate cooperation.
- A more detailed discussion involving the other nations should probably take place in the page Talk:OGF:Sandbox/World War, a summary of our discussion here could be transferred there. The other users need to be encouraged to revive the sleepy old discussion on their part, now that we have new content. --LemonKing (talk) 16:37, 11 September 2018 (CEST)
- Said and done: please discuss here.--LemonKing (talk) 17:22, 11 September 2018 (CEST)
Bloregian pre-history and mythical past is described here. It is open for re-evaluation if needed. Some key issues in Bloregian history:
- In the north, reindeer tenders lived in peaceful autarchy almost until modern times. The role of UL153 and Habrest history is an open question for now.
- Kvomesula River, with the cities Blöndel and Kvome, was an important trading route from the big lake to the coast. Bloregian civilization is based on this route. We should decide on which tribes originally lived at the lake area. The role of Pohjoismaa is an open question, so before writing the details we must wait to see if user Ismon10 shows up or if the territory is given to another user.
- In old times, an enemy repeatedly attacked from the east. Bloregia was saved from annihilation because the enemies feared the sea, so Kvome was always left in peace.
- In medieval times, the Vinnic League (= like RW Hanseatic league) was the primary contact to other civilizations and a motor for Bloregian development. Was this also the first contact to Altavians and/or Eaßnordælåndians? Did the mountains in between keep the civilizations apart for a long time? How long?
- Christicism came to Bloregia peacefully from Tircambry in the 17th century. Some influences may have come also from Altavia/Eæßnordælånd, if they became Christic earlier. --LemonKing (talk) 13:40, 29 June 2018 (CEST)