Talk:Scythian Union

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Welcome to the SU (Scythian Union) talk page!

This discussion area is mainly reserved for proposing resolutions to affect the SU as a whole and for new members to request to join. Discussions farther down the page are older.

National anthem, capital, flag, and motto

Hello, all members. I believe that the first action we take together as a group should be to decide minutiae of the union such as the ones listed above. Feel free to post suggestions for the correlating categories below along with your user mark! --Kineticcrusher (talk) 00:41, 18 November 2018 (CET)

National anthem (name)

"Union Among Instability" --Kineticcrusher (talk) 00:41, 18 November 2018 (CET)

Capital city

Possibly Atara in Arcantonie, since it's the largest and most developed in the Scythe so far. --Kineticcrusher (talk) 00:41, 18 November 2018 (CET)

Flag (describe your suggestion)

I was thinking an outline of the Scythe with something like a wreath or circle of stars around it to represent unification. --Kineticcrusher (talk) 00:41, 18 November 2018 (CET)

Motto

"Peace and Prosperity" --Kineticcrusher (talk) 00:41, 18 November 2018 (CET)

Purpose and members

Hello, kineticcrusher. What is the purpose of the "union" and why have members been added to it with no mention anywhere else? If you have added existing countries without permission of their owners, this is a violation of the wiki rules. I also very politely would question the need for this organization with the surrounding EUOIA as a major player already–not to mention that you've added Arcantonie, an EUOIA member, to this possibly conflicting group without consent. — Alessa (talk) 19:32, 21 September 2018 (CEST)

All of the countries in the union gave me personal permission to allow them in (this was all done through PM). I asked every country within the geographical area, but only a few agreed, which is why the location of the members seems sporadic. This is most likely temporary. The EUIOA was brought up multiple times during my quest to get this started, and my explanation is that the Scythe is a defined geographical and political area, often with quite unique cultures, and so I felt a union between its countries would help to strengthen both the authenticity and character of the area. --Kineticcrusher (talk) 00:27, 23 September 2018 (CEST)
I was asked as well, but I see no reason for Mergany to join. There are several reasons for my decision.
I don't agree with the "defined geographical and political area" of the SU. The Scythe of Uletha does not play a significant geostratetic role without its neighbors. In addition, the region is quite small. The EUOIA is also limited to Eastern Uletha, so I don't see why it is said to be not in a geographically defined area.
Most of SU's members are quite new, without any industry mapped. So establishing an economic union is putting the cart before the horse. In contrast, many of EUOIA's members possess established political systems and cultures. The announced concepts for "immigrants or refugees" are out of scope in OGF so far and therefore, don't play a role for Mergany.
So, Mergany will concentrate on EUOIA with a special focus on economic cooperation EUEC and is very happy about having reliable neighbor states like Mauretia, Wyster, Glaster, Kojo, Belphenia, Østermark , Karolia, Darcodia, just to mention some.--Mstr (talk) 01:21, 23 September 2018 (CEST)
I don't see any relevance in this post; you've already inferred that you didn't want to join to me multiple times before. As a sidenote, a union could help to propel actual map development in the Scythe, something I feel is lacking very much in certain areas. --Kineticcrusher (talk) 01:35, 23 September 2018 (CEST)
You are free to see no relevance in my post! I was just answering Alessas question about requesting the members and the purpose/need from my point of view. I also feel that OGF is quite incomplete and many things are missing, but, I see the reason somewhere else, not in missing unions. --Mstr (talk) 01:53, 23 September 2018 (CEST)
@kineticcrusher: This is a fair reason, and I appreciate your clarification on membership. We've had users add countries to organizations before without even contacting them, which is against the rules. I must ask, out of sheer curiosity, what you intend to accomplish on the map; you mention that you'd like to see some cohesion among members to make the scythe look more organic in spite of the different cultures. How do you plan to go about that? Please know, as before, I'm not trying to challenge your motivations. I am simply trying to have clarity since my country is nearby and has interest in seeing how its neighbors develop. — Alessa (talk) 05:40, 23 September 2018 (CEST)
Well, as for my own countries (I'm currently forming a group of small states that separated from a communist state in a civil war), I plan on having a backstory akin to many disputed areas in the real world; where diplomatic relations are weak but still loosely held together. I feel a story like this would be unique and add a form of dispute to the alliance which would be up for discussion and debate. As for other member states, I plan on consulting their owners and working together to create a believable story. After all, the idea only came around a few months ago and the page was created a few days ago, so there's still much work to be done. --Kineticcrusher (talk) 20:00, 23 September 2018 (CEST)