Talk:Watanabe Aerospace

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3D Models

For an airline and an air force, you need airplanes, but since Airbus, Boeing, and Lockheed don't exist in OGF, I tried come up with my own.

None of the aircraft models are very original, since I don't know much about aircraft design. Real-world aircraft were used as a starting points for the 3D models. In some cases the models vary deliberately from the original, in other cases my poor modeling skills resulted in strange results.

Blender (https://www.blender.org) was used to create 3D models of the planes, and Photoshop to create the decals/paint. Truly realistic models can be achieved with Blender, but that requires an incredible amount of time and detail work.

Below are the real-world inspirations for the models.

W27

Model still pending, but will be based on the Dornier 328.   Moved to a different company. Cūper Ärbārcem / Cooper Aircraft CA127

W29

Based on on the Canadair Regional Jet.

W34

Based on the Boeing 737

W32/M200

My first model, based on an odd combination of the Boeing 747 and the Boeing B-52 bomber. I wanted something that did not look like a real world aircraft, and I'm pretty sure I got it with an aircraft that does not have a place for landing gear, has strange cockpit windows, and wings supports that would go through the passenger cabin.

W36/M240

Based on the Boeing 777.

W39

Based on the Boeing 787.

W40

The W40 is based on the Tupolev Tu-144 and the Concorde. There were scaling issues with this model, and after being corrected it's still unlikely that it could actually fly.

M350

Based on sketches of an early F35 proposal. The more work that was done on the model, the less it looked like the actual F35 (or the sketch).



W40 Discussion

A thought about the W40-A: whilst it's great supersonic services exist in the OGF world, passenger seats on this model are unlikely to be as high as 347, more like 120 (see info on Concorde, which the W40-A is clearly based on). This is partly because of the narrow airframe required to fly at supersonic speeds, partly because the weight needs to be kept low to accommodate the huge amount of fuel this thing will drink, and mostly because the price of a ticket will mean only the rich can travel on this service (although it can be full on most trips, and profitable). Also not sure how the airline can operate three daily routes with only two aircraft as it is a 12-14 hour round trip with turn-around, and with a plane of this complexity you would surely want a spare aircraft in the fleet.--Sarepava (talk) 02:46, 6 December 2014 (CET)

Since 'fiction' is part of the name, it seemed okay to take a few liberties. Designing a flightworthy SST is also outside my skill set. The starting point for the W40 was the slightly larger TU-144, but scaled up and with an oval airframe. The seat plan worked out to 357. I did some reading on SST design, and knowingly ignored many (most) of the real-world engineering issues. The rest can be explained away by increased efficiencies, and lighter materials.

I did, however, do the math on the times needed to run routes to three cities with two aircraft. Assuming 6 hours one way (two cities are closer) and a 2 hours turn-around, each aircraft could run three legs in 24 hours. Two planes can cover all six legs in one day.

Needing a spare did occur to me to me, but didn't want to over inflate the fleet, since I've already gone beyond being believable.

Ultimately, I just wanted a pretty picture.


--Update--

Before replying before, I should have checked my figures.

The more I thought about it, the more I realized that I you were correct about the number being too high. When I set up the seat map, I used the wrong scale for the seats. 357 passengers could have been correct only if all the passengers were small children in baby seats. When I scaled the plane based on the seat size, the W40 would be larger than a 747, and would have no chance of getting off the ground regardless of how many engineering issues were ignored.

After re-scaling I got a more modest 172 passengers. I did want something larger than a Concorde, and a closer the realm of just fiction, rather than complete fantasy.

Thank you for having taken the time to write.


Yeah, no worries. I would expect Watanabe to sell aircraft internationally, so Air Karolia and other airlines in my country will operate the subsonic types as part of their fleets. If you wanted to make articles about the company and each of the planes that would be an interesting addition to this page on the airline.

(By the way, the TU-144 project was a disaster in real life, with several fatal crashes, as it was rushed into the air as a propaganda project. But a properly engineered version of the plane would have worked and might have been as good as or better than Concorde.)--Sarepava (talk) 23:57, 11 December 2014 (CET)

747

What model would my Union Airways cargo plane be? IRL it is 747 but I saw that you don't have an equivalent one in the OGF. --Ifgus (talk) 18:16, May 2020 (EEST)

If a version of the 747 exists in OGF then it is made by a company other than Watanabe Aerospace. Because the 747 has such a distinctive look, I’ve avoided using its shape on Watanabe aircraft. Whenever I see the hump I immediately think Boeing 747. Other than the W40, where I couldn’t help myself, all the aircraft I’ve picked are fairly generic looking. You could list the cargo plane with a random manufacturer and model number which could later be changed if/when another mapper decides to adopt the 747.—Paxtar (talk) 23:55, 13 May 2020 (CEST)