User:Reece202/Sandbox/Harda Collective

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The Harda Collective is a PROPOSED collaborative framework for users mapping in the Harda Archipelago.

The Harda Archipelago

DISCLAIMER: Until this plan has been accepted by the admins, this does not technically exist.

Objectives and Goals

Making a well mapped, believable, and interesting region is our key purpose

Work in progress This list is incomplete. It will be expanded in the future.
  • Create a structure for decision making for the collaborative process
  • Create a unified geology and topography for the region.
    • This would be suitably vague enough for individual users to elaborate within their territories, but detailed enough to ensure harmony and verisimilitude across borders
  • Develop regional cultures and languages.
  • Develop a coherent regional history
    • Historical movement of people and cultures did not necessarily correspond to contemporary national borders. Border regions should be interesting mixes of neighboring cultures and languages to reflect this.

List of States

Listed North to South, West to East

If you are participating, change your country's yellow marker to green. If not participating, change it to red.

List of States in the Harda Archipelago
Country Languages Cultures Government Location Notes Mapper(s) Participating?
Nationally Recognised Regional
Nat flag ullanne.jpg Ullanyé Olonyé (conlang in development)  ? Central Antarephian (native) Presidential Republic Ullanyé Island

[1]

notes ruadh
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Lyffenor  ?  ?  ?  ? Grand Harda Island

[2]

notes Route29
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Tyski  ?  ?  ?  ? Grand Harda Island

[3]

notes UNCLAIMED
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Planoria Ingerish, Franquese Albarikao Colonial Ingerish Republic Grand Harda Island

[4]

notes plainoldbread
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Roliqia  ?  ?  ?  ? Grand Harda Island

[5]

notes UNCLAIMED
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1200px-Flag of the United Kingdom.svg.png Pasalia Ingerish  ? Colonial Ingerish Federal Parliamentary Constitutional Monarchy Grand Harda Island

[6]

notes kingfries
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Shadze-Ma Flag.png Shadze-Ma Shenavroon Lallans, 'Standard' Ingerish, Köpā Jāŧzė Nā Shenavroon Doonist Entity Shadze-Ma Archipelago

[7]

notes Udilugbuldigu
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ByriFlag1835present.png Kalisaanyo Byri, Ingerish tbd Byri, Colonial Ingerish Quasi-Federal Imperial Parliamentary Monarchy Grand Harda Island

[8]

notes Reece202 Emb-green.png
Kzukz Republic  ?  ?  ?  ? Grand Harda Island

[9]

notes Udilugbuldigu
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Asazi Kingdom  ?  ?  ?  ? Grand Harda Island

[10]

notes Udilugbuldigu
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AN150h [ދާނ150ހ] (formerly Beligonia)  ?  ?  ?  ? Grand Harda Island

[11]

notes Collaborative (administered by Udilugbuldigu)
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Lost country.png Chėda-dorėdi Sanė  ? Köpā Situational Semi-dependent Territory Doredan Islands

[12]

notes Udilugbuldigu
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Tiey Tieyan  ? Tieyan Republic Tiey Island

[13]

notes Cauldron
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Suya Ahn  ?  ?  ?  ? Great Southern Island

[14]

notes whateversusan
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Auhstrasunoteroflag.svg Aŭstrasuno Tero Aŭstro Mahhalian, Hesperico Aŭstra People, Hesperica People, Mahhalian, Semerian Federal Republic Great Southern Island

[15]

notes Alejandro24
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TarrasesFlagforMini.png Tárrases Castellanese Mahhalian, Ingerish Castellanese, Mahhalian, Hesperico, Aŭstra, Ingerish Constitutional Monarchy Mahhalian Archipelago

[16]

notes Luciano
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Template:Mahhal Mahhalian]  ? Mahhalian Federal Constitutional Theocratic Heptarchy Mahhalian Archipelago

[17]

notes Luciano
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January Islands Disputed Disputed Disputed Disputed Eastern Isolated Islands

[18]

Disputed sovereignty between Mahhal and Neo Delta Luciano, Deltanz
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Lost country.png Kėzėpölān Officially none Kika Köpā, Mahhalian, Neo Deltan Anarcho-industrial Feminist Co-operative Eastern Isolated Islands

[19]

notes Udilugbuldigu
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Collaborative Territories

Territories designated as Collaborative, that is territories "owned" by the collective instead of individual mappers, are described here

  • Territory 1
    • Location: ANxxx
    • Information about this territory

Ideas and Suggestions

Sign all ideas with a signature. two '-' and four '~' like this: --~~~~

Thoughts off the top of my head, first, great news, this is an exciting project that I hope will go far! Kudos to Udi and Reece and thanks to Admin. There's an opportunity to create a very distinctive, cohesive region in Harda.

One of my favourite aspects of the current Harda mapping is how broken up it looks. It makes me think of a long bone, full of breaks and fractures. I'd like to see AN150h build on that trend, not necessarily by breaking it up but perhaps adding some smaller islands and islets along the east coast and have a more jagged, indented coastline generally.

Volcanic activity would be good, I've put 2 volcanoes in northern Ullanyé but they can be removed if they disrupt any larger tectonic scheme we might create. High mountains, deep valleys and crevasses, the Carpathian Mountains and Rysy on the Poland/Slovakia border come to mind. Also effects of glaciation, specifically I'm thinking about drumlin fields, eskers etc would be an example of natural features of like to see. Not sure where exactly they might go, some decisions on glacial systems/boundaries would be needed.

As regards language, culture, names etc, I'd like it if we could develop a native language/languages for AN150h that would influence the country name/s and could be interrelated to some of the existing conlangs in the region. I'd want to avoid Beligonia type naming, especially any name with 'nia' at the end. Perhaps some mashup referring back to Harda.. Kardak? A divine animal such as a whale or mythological ancestor, a clan or their territory? Perhaps a subdivision of AN150h could've been historically much more important and lent it's name to the island/region as a whole? Ruadh (talk) 12:09, 25 January 2018 (CET)

Proposal topographic sketch by Reece 202
Udi and myself have been working behind the scenes a bit on creating a topography for the region; My sketch is on the right. Udi has also produced some sketches and started a topo layer, but I don't know whether he considers any of the sketches he's sent me to be 'publishing ready' so I will leave them up to him to upload if he sees fit.
I too see the bone imagery. In my sketch I intended the mountain range along the east coast to be (within reason and verisimilitude) resemble at least symbolically a spine. I also attempted glaciation effects (primarily the drumlin fields and long lakes on the east coast), although they may not be placed exactly right in terms of actual physical processes. As for volcanoes, Udi and I had not discussed them, but I don't see why they couldn't exist if the underlying plate tectonics support them (I know very little about tectonics, someone more knowledgeable on the subject should spearhead that project)
In my notes I have been referring to AN150h as 'Beligon', and the 'Beligoni' as the people, but of course that's probably not in any way final. Udi has some ideas for a culture for the country, but I don't know if that goes as far as having a name or a language in mind, although we had given consideration to having at least the north coast being primarily influenced by some form of the Kopa civilization. I assume that would stretch effectively over the whole of the northeast coast (i.e. Shadze-Ma, Pasalia [if kingfries accepts it] Aiau, north Beligonia and Cheda-Doredi) as a roughly territorially connected historical empire; how that would change into the modern borders hasn't (as far as I know) been decided.--Reece202 (talk) 21:23, 25 January 2018 (CET)
Harda mountains drawn a la Tolkein
Harda contours in GIS
Before the comments above, and just on Reece's sketch, I drew a basic mountain map for the main island. Mainly to see if it was possible, I then made a contour file for part of the island. The way I made the contours is quite complicated, and I won't go into it here. The sketch is on the left and an image of the draft contour file on the right. There are various reasons they ended up the way they did, and the version I ended up with wasn't exactly what I had in mind when I started.
I can see some things that I would rather have different and this is just contours for parts of the island, not all of it. I'm fairly happy with what is there - though its hard to predict what they'd look like in the OGF contour layer. Though we didn't specifically talk about a 'spine' that does seem the natural and logical feature to have down that coastline, and I tried to incorporate that. There are some volcanoes too, at fairly random placing, some spurs to the main ranges but of at least equal height. Mountains are 1000-2000m. The geology is some sort of 'broken chain' feature. I'll come back to the other points above when people have had a chance to comment on this.--Udilugbuldigu (talk) 00:50, 27 January 2018 (CET)
So far I agree with what has been talked about. The Kopa civilisation sounds like a good idea. The spine mountain chain is actually what i had in mind aswell. Not sure if the topo would support volcanoes though. --kingfries (talk) 16.22, 27 January 2018 (CET)
The sketches look well, as does the topo outline, they give plenty of scope and (to my untrained eye) look naturalistic. I especially like how the northern and southern mountain ranges jut out into the sea, that'll break up the smooth curves of the existing coastline to some extent and give that eastern edge a really interesting shape. Are there perhaps a few too many mountains in the north? I don't know, I could imagine them getting progressively lower as they move east towards the sea. Perhaps the smaller north/south mountain range could be beefed up a little or a smaller spur could come off it towards the west so it would enter Kalisaanyo just above that long horizontal bay, sort of straddling it? Ruadh (talk) 12:09, 29 January 2018 (CET)
Ruadh: Which range and bay are you thinking of? From your description I'm imagining like three different possible locations that could fit your description.
  1. from the southernmost stretch of mountains on Udi's contour image, going into Rokissa Bay at approximately the border of Oderensia and Kaizuria prefectures
  2. from about the middle of the eastern range on my sketch, stretching down the peninsula on the north side of Rokissa Bay (into Jirohaan, Sakusara, etc.)
  3. some formation attached to the west coast range on my sketch, with the horizontal bay being the inlet towards Sediimarkt
Number one one the list might work; Number two I've tried to specifically avoid (it was the original plan and I was really displeased with how it looked conceptually), Number three would require some redevelopment, which could be done but it would change some key points of my timeline (which I really need to get in a publishable form)
Udi: regarding the height of the mountains; out of interest if there was a 2000m mountain at the point of the Kalisaanyo/Aiau border nearest the southern end of Nidam forest (the narrowest part of Aiau basically), where would that put the base of the mountain (i.e. where would it hit sea level or thereabouts, on both sides). I know the steepness of the mountains themselves and the foothills would be factors, but I'm interested in an estimate to see just how much of a barrier they'd be.
Unrelated to the topo discussion: I've changed the statuses of AN150f/h in the list of states to match their current status from the official overview map. Feel free to make edits to the listings as appropriate.
--Reece202 (talk) 12:56, 29 January 2018 (CET)
@ Reece, apologies, could've been clearer, I meant Option 2 on your list, going into Jirohaan and Sakusara. Though if you're not keen on that no worries. Option 1 would work to give that bay some definition as well. Ruadh (talk) 13:27, 29 January 2018 (CET)