User talk:Quarked

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Repeated flooding

Hi Quarked, this is the second time in 24 hours your coastline edits caused the continent of Archanta to be flooded. I fixed it both times, and I highly recommend you read OGF:Coastline maintenance before any further edits. --Eklas (talk) 07:06, 17 April 2018 (CEST)

I did, and I dont understand how I could have possibly flooded it. I literally just modified it. I didnt create any way point consistencies or any self intersections..... --Quarked (talk) 16:10, 17 April 2018 (CEST)
Both times it was a reversed coastline segment: the land should always be on the left side in the direction of the line. --Eklas (talk) 19:21, 17 April 2018 (CEST)
Ah I forgot to check that! --Quarked (talk)
And another one: [1], [2] Have you tried JOSM? That program is actually warning you when you mess up coastlines. --Toadwart (talk) 15:42, 19 April 2018 (CEST)
I use JOSM for largescale. Small scale details are easier on the web interface for me --Quarked (talk) 17:40, 19 April 2018 (CEST)

Tip: Read OGF:Coastline maintenance. It is very tiresome to see Archanta flooded and flooded again, not that it interfers with my mapping plans, but not being to able to see my recent creations easily.--Happy mapping and God bleses you, ZK (talk) 00:24, 20 April 2018 (CEST)

All matters that have been addressed

Hi, Just wanting to point out something; your dorms use real-life people for names. (Ex. http://opengeofiction.net/#map=18/-1.57866/167.78270) This is regarded as verisimilitude and is against the rules. Please consider using fictional names. Arlo (talk) 19:56, 6 April 2018 (CET)

Hello, Quarked. Please don't blank talk page discussions, especially those in the main namespace. If you want to clear your personal user talk page, I guess that is fine; but please leave the public discussion as is. Once it's placed, leave it as a record for future inquiries. Someone else may have the same question as you had. Part of having a wiki discussion is that it is archived anyway; etiquette would be to simply reply graciously and leave it alone. Thank you. — Alessa (talk) 03:49, 7 March 2018 (CET)

I don't own Air Wiwaxia, please request flights on its talk page. I do own EmiliAir though and I would love if we establish a flight. Do remember to sign your messages with --~~~~ instead of typing out the signature yourself. --Austinhuang (talk) 18:41, 7 March 2018 (CET)

Alrighty —Quarked (talk) 19:56, 7 March 2018 (CET)

Overwikification

Hi, Quarked! Please, take care about OGF:Overwikification. You are creating various articles to Apex Games, even there are not participants to all the games, and there are more than one article to only the 2018 edition. Would be better resuming all of them in just one article. -- BMSOUZA (talk) 05:00, 8 April 2018 (CEST)

Noted. Quarked (talk) 05:44, 7 March 2018 (CET)
If you are creating more than one, please also categorise them.--Happy mapping and happy easter to all! ZK (talk)
How exactly do I categorize them? And whats the hotkeys for a footer on messages so I don't have to type out everything every time. Quarked (talk) 12:44, 8 March 2018 (CET)
The question here is not about categorizing, is about resuming in only one article. You are creating several articles to the same 2018 Apex edition: one per each sport, and still one per each genre. Seriously, it is not necessary. Take a look about Geolympic Games articles. There are not articles to each sport and to each genre. What you are doing, yes, is overwikification. Please, resume it. -- BMSOUZA (talk) 16:29, 8 April 2018 (CEST)
I would like more than just your opinion in this, as for example, ZK has stated he doesn't think it is overwikification, as neither do I. I respect your opinion and input but I feel as if it would be infinitely more organized as separate pages. Please see the OGFIFA world cup, which gave me inspirations for templates to use. I am going for the paging format they use, which I also do not believe to be overwikification. And PS, from your conversations on the OGFIFA world cup talk page, you don't appear to think it is overwikification either. You completely supported the cup. --Quarked

Lets go:

  • First at all, do anyone not think bad about me, but Zhenkang is known by was an overwikification-addicted sometime ago. A guy who loves to write. Not a bad thing, but not so focused in mapping before. I dont know if he was blocked some time, but I remember clearly he created a complex wiki article to Singkangia and a lot of things related (as you see, he likes "categorizing") before mapping, and it was theme to debates, hehehe.
  • Second thing: I mentioned Geolympic Games, you mentioned OGFIFA World Cup, no matter. Both are events who almost all users wpuld like to participate. Anyway, OGFIFA World Cup is only football, as in your Apex games there are more than one sport, I prefer comparing Apex games to Geolympics Games. And there are not a article to geolympic male basketball, another to geolympic female bastketball, one to geolympic male sailing, another to geolympic female sailing, etc etc etc.
  • Third and maybe final point: I created a very detailed article to http://wiki.opengeofiction.net/wiki/index.php/User:BMSOUZA/Sandbox/Sports/Former_2014_OGFIFA. Well, some time later, started a discussion about "future mappers who would like to participate in that World Cup edition". If I did not copy the article to my sandbox, it would have deleted, because you can look for the official article right now. All the details I wrote now would be deleted. So, it is an advice: Do not waste time creating so much details in any "collabortative" event article, as I did. Scores? Participants? Forget about it. Hard to me to write, hard to you to read, but, at the end, no one cares. Another thing: have in mind, there are someone paying to host this Wiki. It is not a free space to write A LOT of articles that only two or three users would read.

If you search in my history, I also created OGFIA (motorsports) article, but I gave up because the same things.

  • Fourth thing: ok, now I think is the final point, hehe. Well, it is not a personal thing. You are not the only one who I talk about overwikification. There are users who wishes to create articles to every single highway in their countries, etc etc etc. Be sure, I talk to these users too.

BMSOUZA (talk) 18:00, 8 April 2018 (CEST)

@BMSOUZA Yeah actually I was banned for a while since February last year until October. But during the wiki ban I had quite developed Singkangia a lot.

I quite like writing, besides mapping. I just like creating stuff. But I also find writing as tiring as mapping, having to look out for grammer and all that. The good out of the wiki ban is that I had managed to utilise JOSM.

I just like categorising stuff. For quarked just put [[Category: 2018 Apex Games]] at the bottom of the pages. In that category you can put Category:Solaria if you like.--Happy mapping and happy easter to all! ZK (talk) 02:28, 9 April 2018 (CEST)

One final fallacy of yours I should clean up (And FYI I am not trying to be personal with you either) When I make these articles it does not take away from my mapping time. I work on mapping when I am actually in front of a computer, and when I am in public, on my phone, like I am now, I go on the wiki as you cant map on mobile devices. And this fits into the green category on the overwikification page. Why? Because I am trying to give my country an identity. You have all of these countries who are very well known because of something great on the wiki, like Latina's super subway website. I feel as if whenever I try to start something to get my country an identity, it is shut down. The culture is to let the long time users maintain an outstanding personality of their countries, and for relatively new people like me to not be able to post a single aspect of my country I want to highlight without someone crying wolf over "overwikification" Why cant I love to write too?

--Quarked

Basically you may overwikify as much as you want. For instance I waste my time by making up weird election systems and results. But actually I don't bother whether anyone is going to read it or not. Consider it just me making my notes public.

What I see in the Apex Games is a different pattern. 1) It's gigantic. Do you want to repeat this every year? You already prepared the 2019 links. 2) You want it to make your country important. You actually admit that. A very questionable motivation in my opinion. 3) You actively ask for participation, while it is still in a very early stage of development to boost importance. This all reminds me too much of some other epically abandoned projects.

If you just could start smaller. Start a small event and finish it. And tell us about how your timeline is. How long will you gather participants? When and how do you create the results? How will you deal with abandoned countries.

If you want to have merits, just let them grow gradually instead of thowing some super-fertilizers at them. --Toadwart (talk) 19:56, 8 April 2018 (CEST)

First of all, thank you for your response. To respond to a few of your points, I do intend tom repeat it every year as long as this website is a thing. I probably worded it wrong to say I want to make my country important. By that I meant that I feel very isolated because the users with big countries and projects have a cohesive bond with one another, whereas users like myself are often left out of social loops, in regard to our small, not yet fully developed countries, and I reasoned by creating a good country and a good identity with it would tie me into that social relations triangle. I do ask for participation, because I would like to fill the spots in the tournament without blindly asking users. Its more of a first round to see who is interested before I go out to send direct invites. I have no intentions of abandoning this project. I dont know what you want to know about the timeline, but for participants I have the original open session for interested users to participate, and then I would cold call people to fill. I plan to create the results in live daily dates, unless I am busy that day, which I should then get the results up within forty eight hours. For abandoned countries, I would replace them with another country that is interested in filling the spot, or if I cant find anyone, add some cities from Commonia or some public area like that. (~Quarked)
If you want attention from other, bigger users on OGF you should try to create something impressive on the map, not on the wiki, after all OGF focuses on mapping and not writing wiki articles. The wiki's purpose is either to explain and give more information about places on the map or to publish other geofiction-related stuff like in user Toadwart's case elections or in mine, made up languages for example. Many great mappers are inactive on the wiki and not really interested in fictional math tournaments, so the best way of getting closer to bigger mappers and getting integrated in their category is through collaborating on the map. Trust me, I've collaborated a lot ever since I've joined the community and now I even know some mappers personally.
Also if mapping only does not really make you happy and you only create for the attention, that's not good either because the real mappers on this website create fictional maps because they're passionate about maps, geography, urbanism, landscape design and other stuff like that. If you're not, I'm not sure how long you're gonna stick to this website.
btw this is just my opinion, it might be completely wrong, but I've been active on this website for quite a while and I saw many users come and go. --Stjur (talkOGF) 22:41, 8 April 2018 (CEST)
Well said Stjur. I primarily use the wiki as a framework for the map. When I write the history language, and written geography of an area, I can envision it better to place it directly on the map. Good mapping, and good supporting wiki articles directly linked to the map impresses me more than anything. If you want to have wiki articles give me some easter eggs, some cool historical areas on the map to go to. Roads to follow and places that breathe and when you look on the map you can say, "Wow".Bhj867 (talk) 08:48, 9 April 2018 (CEST)
I will be majoring in Civil Engineering with a concentration is Transportation and Mobility........ --Quarked
Best of luck ;) --Stjur (talkOGF) 23:04, 8 April 2018 (CEST)
Quarked, you said you wish to put some importance/ culture to your country, etc. OK, I will give you an example by myself including things like this:

All my FIVE countries loves sports (in special, football/soccer). Lets talk about Brasonia as example. What about I decides to create a single article to:

  • Male 1st tier;
  • Female 1st tier;
  • Male 2nd tier;
  • Female 2nd tier;
  • Male 3rd tier;
  • Male 4th tier;
  • Male 2 regional tiers to each one of the 4 provinces;
  • Male national cup;
  • Female national cup;

Total, 16 articles. Now, if I decide to create these 16 articles to every season since 1970 to males and maybe 1990 to females? (and I am talking only about Brasonia...)

No, I dont need to create it. Anyway, everybody knows my countries loves football (soccer), and are strong in this sport.

See, I currently have one article to 3 national tiers of football in Brasonia (I will re-write it soon). I resume at least 3 tiers in one single article. Why dont you do the same? Perfect example to you. Just an advice. -- BMSOUZA (talk) 05:54, 9 April 2018 (CEST)

Overwikification encore une fois

Please stop adding non-existing locations to lists as you did e.g. here List of colleges and universities! Adding your still existing university in Solaria is absolutely sufficient.--Mstr (talk) 01:34, 15 April 2018 (CEST)

Thanks for your advice, I have the situation handled. --Quarked (talk) 03:01, 15 April 2018 (CEST)


Date format

Hi, kind reminder that wikis use date formats everyone understands - in your articles about the Apex games you're using the American MM/DD/YYYY I assume, but for example in Europe people would read 07/02/2018 as February 7th. The most common way to write dates is MONTH_NAME DD, YYYY e.g. April 12th, 2018 --Eklas (talk) 06:35, 12 April 2018 (CEST)