Forum:Official collaboratives/Gobras City - SW transport options
Summary
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There has been discussion on Discord regarding new tram alignments in southwest Gobras City. The incongruous Sanavir Airtrain has been removed, with the area pending some rework based on what's agreed for the wider area. So, does the area require additional transport infrastructure?
But, why - is there a need? Would it be unrealistic, what would be the driver for such an infrastructure investment? wangi (talk) 22:42, 2 December 2022 (UTC) |
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Draft maps
Existing transportation in the area:
https://wiki.opengeofiction.net/util/route_relations.html?map=C/13/20.61501/86.63928
Discussion
Please share you thoughts, to try and build up consensus on this development. Thanks/wangi (talk) 22:42, 2 December 2022 (UTC)
Just throwing in some views on the subject matter (I haven't read Zhenkangs post yet): Line M (what's called line 2 on the little map) was also present for a very long time already, and I think it's fine as is, connecting Avawoon East to West Meadows and serving a bunch of neighbourhoods along the way, feeding to the rail and metro lines. The only change that was (half) made was to move it slightly more towards the Avawoon Medical Center, which seems sensible.
In case of Sanavir, the whole area gives an experimental vibe to me, where developers wanted to 'fix' city issues by throwing some new (probably failed by now) concept at it. In that sense, the Sanavir Airtrain was quite fitting. However, it was way overbuilt for the mapped density. Even when potentially densifying those circles further, the area is still mostly parks. An elevated rail service, even if it were only gadgetbahn type 'pods', would just have been way too costly to build and maintain for the private developer of the area (a government would be even less likely to throw money at it, given it only benefits a single neigbourhood). But I'm also not sure if an at grade tram alignment would actually be a good alternative, because it doesn't fit well into the story. To me, it seems like a more localised and gadgetbahn-style form of transport makes somewhat sense, but it just has to be a lot cheaper than the previous elevated rail system. I'm specifically thinking of this: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ParkShuttle. Only downside is it's from 1999, which might have been too late for the Sanavir area to be developed. So if a ground pod type thing is nothing to go by, why not make it some bike lane paradise, which might have been a fitting form of 'new' transport when the area was developed? Overall, I don't think that a higher form of non-local transport (i.e. government built tram line) would be necessary for Sanavir itself.
For the other lines, I think especially an east-west line might make sense (although, not sure what route would be best), since there's no metro doing anything like that. A long north-south line on the other hand would in general just be paralleling rail or metro lines and might not be justified, also given Sanavir doesn't really need it. Squizie3 (talk) 00:32, 3 December 2022 (UTC)
So, in hindsight, I'm not too much in favour of the previously proposed tram through Sanavir to Broad Meadows. More east-west oriented lines would have my preference over north-south ones. I don't know yet which east-west alignment(s) would make most sense tbh. But maybe... this is all a bit too early to say, as it was the idea to have a tram network sprawling from the Kilmeade-Tovena area with some lines then continuing towards the area we're now talking about, but Kilmeade itself is still in development and no base tram network exists in Tovena either. Maybe instead of rushing through changes, we can for now just find a suitable replacement for Sanavir's airtrain (be it tram, bus, pod, lots of bikeways, or else), and do the tram network later? Squizie3 (talk) 00:57, 3 December 2022 (UTC)
- Thanks both. I think it would lower the barrier to entry, if we can trim the Sanavir sections above. As stated, take it as a given that the Airtrain is gone and the area is being reworked. wangi (talk) 01:04, 3 December 2022 (UTC)
- It's possible that the tram through Sanavir could have taken over previous infrastructure meant for these gadgetbahns. An alternative tram route through the neighbourhood would have sufficed as an alternative perhaps to address residents' concerns about taking away a transport option.--Zhenkang (talk) 01:08, 3 December 2022 (UTC)
- I'm thinking about the preferred tram alignments by who they serve and where the tram would go. Provided that we increase the density of developments along the route, I think the north-south alignment through Albedeer University is a good candidate because it links the university to the retail areas in Island Aulk and West Meadows. University students typically take public transit, and the tram would help them make their transit connections to other parts of Gobras City efficiently to shop and to commute to their jobs outside the university. In addition, Sanavir has a lot of potential to develop retail parcels near existing and future stations along the tram route to serve park patrons and tram riders alike. I also think that if we're designing a tram, it should be to replace the existing bus route(s) that are operating at or above capacity due to the popularity of the route. Chazeltine (talk) 03:18, 6 December 2022 (UTC)
I think access to subways is adequate for students, but maybe a short-distance shuttle bus can be implemented. There is a walkability issue right outside the university: Island Aulk is some distance away, and other surrounding retail stores are roadside malls, but the issue is hard to resolve unless significant changes to nearby neighbourhoods happen. I agree that there is insufficient demand for tram: Neetaukeit is a bedroom town and commuting pattern should be relatively fixed (thus can be satisfied by buses). --Austinhuang (talk) 22:58, 13 December 2022 (UTC)
Broad consensus
Hi, trying to get some rough idea of feelings - please put your signature against the options below which you'd be happy enough to move forward. So, you can list under multiple. Thanks/wangi (talk) 22:31, 13 December 2022 (UTC)