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UL08g - Alebria

	Physical geography
	An overview of climate, topography and landscape of the country. It is advised to also create a sketch, you can add a link to this (hosted on imgur or similar)

Geography

The geography of Alebria is mainly inspired by the northern provinces of France, Wallonia in the Netherlands, and parts of the Veneto and Friuli-Venezia-Giulia regions in Italy.

Climate

The climate primarily lies within the Cfa/Csa/Csb climates across a majority of the territory(mainly the climates of the surrounding territories), with seldom scattered regions of Cfb in the higher elevations in the east along the border with Plevia.

Landscape

The landscape of Alebria, in lieu of the inspired regions, will mainly include flatlands nearing the coastline, with rolling hills/small mountains further inland, especially along the border with Plevia, where some lower mountainous mapping currently exists. The highest elevations are planned to be around 300-500m. I mainly plan to expand the geographies of the surrounding territories.

Hydrology

Considering the scope of the territory and the hydrology in the surrounding territories, this territory will mainly feature smaller rivers and tributaries. There may be a few lakes/reservoirs established along these rivers to help supply water to rural communities and provide hydroelectric power.

Territory Sketch:

https://imgur.com/a/g0rGgSh

	Human geography
	A brief description of the territory demographics, economic development, land occupation, infrastructure and mapping style

Demographics & Language

Alebria is primarily a Franquese (French) speaking territory, with more Plevian speakers/influence in the east. For example, the far east of Alebria has a Plevian-speaking majority (although this may depend on the existing history/demographics of this region of Uletha), with influences of Franquese mixed in.

Economy

The economy of Alebria is relatively stable, having secured several imports/exports. Alebria features two significant coastal cities, which could house relatively large maritime and air hubs. In fewer words, the economy is relatively good, with total wealth of around 3-5 trillion USD, which is roughly equivalent to that of the Netherlands and/or Switzerland. The territory also is planned to have significant maritime and air trade.

Transportation/Infrastructure

With the economy in mind, transportation infrastructure is planned to be decent, but not on par with surrounding states, with urban areas providing well-accessible public transit methods. Public transportation in rural areas is expected to be subpar. Roads,especially those in urban areas, are more maintained than that of rural roads; roads with higher volumes of traffic are expected to be maintained regularly. Alebria also expects more focus on its intranational high-speed rail network, connecting large towns and cities.

Current Government

The government of Alebria is a constitutional democratic republic; one political party (which is planned to be more center-right) is planned to hold a majority.

Mapping Style(s)

Mapping style is inspired by France, northern Italy, as well as some parts of Wallonia.

	History & culture
	A brief description of the intended culture and language

History

Brief Synopsis

Considering the regional history, this territory is to expect a time period of Romantish control.

Similar to the Netherlands (Dutch Republic in this context), perhaps Alebria could have been annexed by Franqueterre and Plevia until somewhere within the 16-18 c., which hopefully justifies the lingual patterns throughout the territory

	Past mapping
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Past Mapping

Urban

The Plevian towns of Ezia and Rivasorda.

The city of Fourchieres, which does have colonial influence, but should hopefully be sufficient for the intended style of mapping.

Rural

The department of Ataguriay-Marajuan. One obvious drawback I currently see is that this is mapped in a more colonial style, which doesn't fit in this region.

Yalou-Chognesseux This was to practice working with the layout of rural roads/highways in a French mapping style.

Coastlines/Natural Cover

Cantersbury and Elye

Fishhook Bay

Hawkin Shoals

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Geoc3ladus (talk) 00:11, 1 March 2024 (UTC)

	Discussion
	Discussion for clarification & decision

If necessary, I will trade my current territory of TA304 - Nayina for this territory.

Hello, Geoc3ladus. Your provided mapping is excellent, especially the rural and coastal examples. There could be more European urban mapping, but I trust that you will do fine in that aspect. Certain details are good to be discussed with your fellow potential neighbors (Plevia and Selonia-Flamain) for better regional coherency. Your proposal is fine, however the population of the two cities you've mentioned should be lowered. The capital should be in the range between 600k - 1.4m people (nearby Soulainbourg has 600k), while the second city should not exceed 400-500k. Likewise, the GDP of the nation is way to high, although that is not a deciding factor. If you want to combine Italian and French, I can recommend experimenting with Aostan French, however that is just a suggestion. In my opinion, I'd say that it'd be better if you exchanged TA304 for this territory, and you are free to move any mapping you deem fitting in your new territory. Please respond back with your thoughts on these remarks. ⸺ Bixelkoven (talk) (West Uletha Admin) 02:11, 1 March 2024 (UTC)

As the former mapper of part of this territory I thought I'd chime in with some thoughts: mainly that this is an excellent application! One note: I had intended the area around Saint-Ranier to be similar to the ponds and marshes along the south coast of France, but never fully completed it so the bay is a bit incomplete; that could some inspiration to consider for that area, as its original intent. I also made a history proposal for the area on the forum - if you want some inspiration perhaps you could consider what I have their, though there was never much consensus either way on it. Best wishes! --Lithium-Ion | [1] (talk) 06:15, 1 March 2024 (UTC)

Hello! Thank you for taking the time to leave a comment! I fully agree with the comments on the GDP and population; they are too high for this territory. I will take your suggestion on pouplation, and lower these cities' populations to your suggested numbers. On GDP, I did make a naive comparison between real world countries of similar size. I omitted the fact that the GDP of Alebria was supposed to be proportional to that of the aforementioned countries of comparison. Thank you for bringing that up to discussion. I'll also look into your recommendation for references for this territory. On Lithium's note, I will definitely look into this, as this sounds like a very cool idea. Please leave a link to your proposal, as I would love to take a look at it! Thank you! | Geoc3ladus (talk) 20:22, 1 March 2024 (UTC)

Congratulations for the approvation, on behalf of Plevia!

At the time, Alexmar and I had already mapped some elements that were reminiscent of Arquitenie, the former name of this area, including references to Remy Valmont, an Arquitenian character (found in some places and street names). Also, feel free to cross the borders and even map something inside the Plevian territory to maintain some realism, as Plevians and Franquese will intermingle. I look forward to working with you! --Izaland Terramorphing Committee (talk) 11:39, 2 March 2024 (UTC)

	Territory application approved
	Approved. Please discuss the release of your Tarephian territory with the regional admin. ⸺ Bixelkoven (talk) (West Uletha Admin) 10:18, 2 March 2024 (UTC)
	Another thing I forgot to mention in my comment above is that, although your rural mapping is pretty good, French rural mapping is a bit different in style, so take that into account alongside the other comments. Happy mapping!

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-:''Note: if at all possible, I would like the existing mapping on UL13b to be cleared.''
+:''Please fill in the information below to make a territory request.''
 {{Territory application id and name}}
-UL13b - Księstwo Lugnicji (Duchy of Lugnicja)
+UL08g - Alebria
 {{territory application physical geography}}
-Duchy of Lugnicja is a country with a temperate climate. The climate is required for the north-central part of Poland.
+=Geography=
+The geography of Alebria is mainly inspired by the northern provinces of France, Wallonia in the Netherlands, and parts of the Veneto and Friuli-Venezia-Giulia regions in Italy.
+==Climate==
+The climate primarily lies within the Cfa/Csa/Csb climates across a majority of the territory(mainly the climates of the surrounding territories), with seldom scattered regions of Cfb in the higher elevations in the east along the border with Plevia.
+==Landscape==
+The landscape of Alebria, in lieu of the inspired regions, will mainly include flatlands nearing the coastline, with rolling hills/small mountains further inland, especially along the border with Plevia, where some lower mountainous mapping currently exists. The highest elevations are planned to be around 300-500m.  I mainly plan to expand the geographies of the surrounding territories.
+==Hydrology==
+Considering the scope of the territory and the hydrology in the surrounding territories, this territory will mainly feature smaller rivers and tributaries. There may be a few lakes/reservoirs established along these rivers to help supply water to rural communities and provide hydroelectric power.
-The northern part of the country is mostly a low plateau area. The central part is made of plains. The southwestern and western parts of the country are much more mountainous (small mountain range), except for areas near the northwestern coast.
+== Territory Sketch: ==
+https://imgur.com/a/g0rGgSh<nowiki/>{{territory application human geography}}
-The southern areas are basins with low, old granite mountains (like Sudety in Poland).
+=Demographics & Language=
+Alebria is primarily a Franquese (French) speaking territory, with more Plevian speakers/influence in the east. For example, the far east of Alebria has a Plevian-speaking majority (although this may depend on the existing history/demographics of this region of Uletha), with influences of Franquese mixed in.
+==Economy==
+The economy of Alebria is relatively stable, having secured several imports/exports. Alebria features two significant coastal cities, which could house relatively large maritime and air hubs.  In fewer words, the economy is relatively good, with total wealth of around 3-5 trillion USD, which is roughly equivalent to that of the Netherlands and/or Switzerland. The territory also is planned to have significant maritime and air trade.
+==Transportation/Infrastructure==
+With the economy in mind, transportation infrastructure is planned to be decent, but not on par with surrounding states, with urban areas providing well-accessible public transit methods. Public transportation in rural areas is expected to be subpar. Roads,especially those in urban areas, are more maintained than that of rural roads; roads with higher volumes of traffic are expected to be maintained regularly. Alebria also expects more focus on its intranational high-speed rail network, connecting large towns and cities.
+==Current Government==
+The government of Alebria is a constitutional democratic republic; one political party (which is planned to be more center-right) is planned to hold a majority.
+==Mapping Style(s)==
+Mapping style is inspired by France, northern Italy, as well as some parts of Wallonia.{{territory application history and culture}}
-In the east, almost all of the area is plain-highland, except for a small area of volcanic mountains in the southeast. (<--- like in Poland, for example: Ostrzyca Proboszczowicka, Czartowska Skała, or Mt.Grodziec )
+=History=
+==Brief Synopsis==
+Considering the regional history, this territory is to expect a time period of Romantish control.
-Duchy of Lugnicja borders UL13c in the east, Lechia in the south, and Siiland in the west.
+Similar to the Netherlands (Dutch Republic in this context), perhaps Alebria could have been annexed by Franqueterre and Plevia until somewhere within the 16-18 c., which hopefully justifies the lingual patterns throughout the territory{{territory application past mapping}}
-Unfortunately imgur doesn't work in my computer :/{{territory application human geography}}
+=Past Mapping=
+==Urban==
+The Plevian towns of {{coord | name=Ezia | zoom=15 | latitude=45.4537 | longitude= 63.7428 }} and {{coord | name=Rivasorda | zoom=15 | latitude=45.4482 | longitude=63.6729 }}.
-Duchy of Lugnicja has around 6.8 million inhabitants, split between its two historical countries (Lechia, and Siiland).
+The city of {{coord | name=Fourchieres| zoom=16 | latitude=-13.3535 | longitude=24.8045 }}, which does have colonial influence, but should hopefully be sufficient for the intended style of mapping.
+==Rural==
+The department of {{coord | name=Ataguriay-Marajuan | zoom=14 | latitude=-14.5155 | longitude=23.2257 }}. One obvious drawback I currently see is that this is mapped in a more colonial style, which doesn't fit in this region.
-The capital (Lugnica) is a city located in central plains, near Lugnica Lake. It has around 3 million residents.
+{{coord | name=Yalou-Chognesseux | zoom=13| latitude=-13.5206 | longitude=24.8087}} This was to practice working with the layout of rural roads/highways in a French mapping style.
+==Coastlines/Natural Cover==
+{{coord | name=Cantersbury and Elye | zoom=13 | latitude=-38.3079 | longitude=132.8292 }}
-The eastern historical country of Duchy of Lugnica has around 1.8 million inhabitants. East has a lot of agriculture due to its flatter geography. Due to its plain nature, towns tend to be bigger and more connected than towns in west.
+{{coord | name=Fishhook Bay | zoom=13 | latitude=-38.4967 | longitude=134.3956 }}
-The western historical country of Duchy has around 1.5 million inhabitants. West is a source of wood, coal ores, and oil. Due to its mountain nature, towns tend to be smaller. Due to its plain nature, towns tend to be bigger and more connected than towns in east.{{territory application history and culture}}
+{{coord | name=Hawkin Shoals  | zoom=14 | latitude=-38.7215 | longitude=134.4024 }}{{territory application username and date}}
-The culture is based on the Polish historical regions of Kuyavia, Dobrzyn Land and Chelmno Land .
+[[User:Geoc3ladus|Geoc3ladus]] ([[User talk:Geoc3ladus|talk]]) 00:11, 1 March 2024 (UTC)
-The language of Lugnicja is Polish and Kashubian-Kocievian. In-universe, the language could be considered a dialect of Lechian - Lugnicjan Polechian.
+{{territory application discussion}}If necessary, I will trade my current territory of TA304 - Nayina for this territory.
-The Duchy of Lugnicja gain independence in 31 July 1831 from Lechia.{{territory application past mapping}}
+* Hello, Geoc3ladus. Your provided mapping is excellent, especially the rural and coastal examples. There could be more European urban mapping, but I trust that you will do fine in that aspect. Certain details are good to be discussed with your fellow potential neighbors (Plevia and Selonia-Flamain) for better regional coherency. Your proposal is fine, however the population of the two cities you've mentioned should be lowered. The capital should be in the range between 600k - 1.4m people (nearby Soulainbourg has 600k), while the second city should not exceed 400-500k. Likewise, the GDP of the nation is way to high, although that is not a deciding factor. If you want to combine Italian and French, I can recommend experimenting with Aostan French, however that is just a suggestion. In my opinion, I'd say that it'd be better if you exchanged TA304 for this territory, and you are free to move any mapping you deem fitting in your new territory. Please respond back with your thoughts on these remarks. ⸺ [[User:Bixelkoven|Bixelkoven]] ([[User talk:Bixelkoven|talk]]) (West Uletha Admin) 02:11, 1 March 2024 (UTC)
+As the former mapper of part of this territory I thought I'd chime in with some thoughts: mainly that this is an excellent application! One note: I had intended the area around Saint-Ranier to be similar to the ponds and marshes along the south coast of France, but never fully completed it so the bay is a bit incomplete; that could some inspiration to consider for that area, as its original intent. I also made a history proposal for the area on the forum - if you want some inspiration perhaps you could consider what I have their, though there was never much consensus either way on it. Best wishes! --[[User:Lithium|Lithium-Ion]] | [https://opengeofiction.net/user/Lithium-Ion|OGF] ([[User talk:Lithium|talk]]) 06:15, 1 March 2024 (UTC)
-Here is an example of my "mapping": https://opengeofiction.net/#map=18/13.87421/-112.02825&layers=B - village, https://opengeofiction.net/#map=16/13.8531/-111.8587&layers=B - city (welp i dont like mapping cities ;) )
+Hello!
+Thank you for taking the time to leave a comment! I fully agree with the comments on the GDP and population; they are too high for this territory. I will take your suggestion on pouplation, and lower these cities' populations to your suggested numbers. On GDP, I did make a naive comparison between real world countries of similar size. I omitted the fact that the GDP of Alebria was supposed to be ''proportional'' to that of the aforementioned countries of comparison. Thank you for bringing that up to discussion. I'll also look into your recommendation for references for this territory. On Lithium's note, I will definitely look into this, as this sounds like a very cool idea. Please leave a link to your proposal, as I would love to take a look at it! Thank you! | [[User:Geoc3ladus|Geoc3ladus]] ([[User talk:Geoc3ladus|talk]]) 20:22, 1 March 2024 (UTC)
-{{territory application username and date}}
+: Congratulations for the approvation, on behalf of Plevia!
+At the time, Alexmar and I had already mapped some elements that were reminiscent of Arquitenie, the former name of this area, including references to Remy Valmont, an Arquitenian character (found in some places and street names). Also, feel free to cross the borders and even map something inside the Plevian territory to maintain some realism, as Plevians and Franquese will intermingle. I look forward to working with you!
+--[[User:Izaland Terramorphing Committee|Izaland Terramorphing Committee]] ([[User talk:Izaland Terramorphing Committee|talk]]) 11:39, 2 March 2024 (UTC)
-[[User:Skymarines|Skymarines]] ([[User talk:Skymarines|talk]]) 10:53, 2 February 2024 (UTC)
+{{territory application approved|Approved. Please discuss the release of your Tarephian territory with the regional admin. ⸺ [[User:Bixelkoven|Bixelkoven]] ([[User talk:Bixelkoven|talk]]) (West Uletha Admin) 10:18, 2 March 2024 (UTC)|Another thing I forgot to mention in my comment above is that, although your rural mapping is pretty good, French rural mapping is a bit different in style, so take that into account alongside the other comments. Happy mapping!}}
-{{territory application discussion}}
-*
-Hello! I'm happy to see there is interest in the area! I'm always excited about potential new neighbours in the GNS! However, there are a few points that I would like to point out for your request.
-- Most importantly, the climate. The southernmost point of this territory is at 62 degrees north and it would be nice to see the plan reflect this. Think less, 'northern central poland' and more 'central northern scandinavia'
-- This leads into the second part, population. The population estimate of 6.8 million is way too high for the area based on the latitude, for context, Silland has roughly 2,5 million people.
-- Your experience. While I think your rural mapping is really nice, you should definitely work on developing your urban mapping portfolio before requesting a territory in Uletha. This was also noted in your previous request and I would recommend either spending some more time in the BG area, or requesting a BG territory of your own, or even a smaller territory in Antarephia or Tarephia as those areas tend to be more open for new members (that's how I started out on the platform anyway :) ).
-- Sketches. It would be nice to see your thoughts as a sketch, making it easier to understand what you mean when you describe the geography. I am somewhat confused about your mention of Volcanic mountains for instance, which may not be too relevant in the area.
-On that note, rural mapping should be the priority in UL13b, and while that might make the territory a good candidate for you, perhaps the climate and area might entice you to consider something further south. Alternatively, if you do decide to go after UL13b I would urge you to show your ability to map the more relevant forests and hills as well as towns and smaller cities that may be expected here as opposed to farmland or plains. Map the things that would be expected to see in the territory you're requesting, so we know you'll be able to map it well :) Additionally, for reference, for an area with similair size and location to UL13b in the real world, look at Västernorrlands Län in Sweden.
-I hope to see you work on your portfolio and would love to see a new neighbour in the arctic. Best of luck!
-[[User:Liadrien|Liadrien]] ([[User talk:Liadrien|talk]]) 12:13, 3 February 2024 (UTC)
-Hello, Skymarines. I'm glad you've decided to go with my suggestions to make the territory more realistic however you are still a bit off. The territory size is very small, and the territory is very north. Your territory could realistically suffice one or two million people at most, and the capital could very hardly reach that population you've noted. I've preferred the granite mountains from the previous application rather than volcanic mountains, it makes more sense for the area. The climate area of reference you've used it better, I think north(east)ern Poland is probably the most similar climate that's familiar to you but again note the very north location of the territory, it gets much colder up here. Your mapping is satisfactory, especially the rural mapping. Your urban mapping is okay as well, though scarce. If you wish to map a larger capital city, you'll need urban mapping to back that goal, though I advise against going for a very large capital city to begin with. You're on track to get the territory however I'd like a confirmation from you that you understand where this territory is located and what that brings with it. ⸺ [[User:Bixelkoven|Bixelkoven]] ([[User talk:Bixelkoven|talk]]) (West Uletha Admin) 18:49, 11 February 2024 (UTC)
-{{territory application closed|No response from user ⸺ [[User:Bixelkoven|Bixelkoven]] ([[User talk:Bixelkoven|talk]]) (West Uletha Admin) 10:25, 2 March 2024 (UTC)|}}