Forum:Global and regional issues/History of Ancient West Uletha and North Tarephia - Romantish Empire

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As we move to a new age in OGF where we seek a more collaborative world history, we need to finally discuss about the "Romantish Empire". As we all should know, we have an equivalent to the Roman Empire, however, with no official decision being made, the name, extension and duration of the empire was never defined, this creates a few issues. With no limitations, the Empire can have been as large or small as we wish, as long as territories decided to include the empire in their history, so we should set in stone it's general extension.

In this Forum, we will define:

• The Extent of the Empire
• The Name of the Empire
• The Capital of the Empire

What is discussed here comes from long threads from Discord that will be shortened, since no consensus has been made.

• Empire Extension:

Through discussion, I have brought a proposal for the extent of the Empire, during it's history, the Empire would most probably have large issues of movement of troops, limiting it's extension. The empire would border the Prettanic Lake and The Great Rift in the North, the Surian Plains in the East, the Sea and "Indian" to the South and a messy border to the West. The issue of geographic barries would create a few important policies for the empire, like, most probably the creating of multiple client states and outer provinces of the empire with more self-authority to allow a better control of the politics inside the land. Romantish Sathria, the Original Hellenisian land, some Kalmish Kingdoms and the "Phoenicians" would most probably be dominated by the Empire but given a type of sel-authority so that local elites would be less willing to revolt.

Ta Seti, though it would be heavily influenced by Hellenisian culture, the Romantish would not be able to reach as far as Ta Seti.

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Here I request, if you have any other proposals or ideas on this, please contribute.

• Empire's Name:

We must change the name of the Romantish Empire, using Rome in any type of way is counter active to our attempt to distance this empire from the Roman one. So I request contributions to a name, after that we will discuss and most probably vote. The Roman Empire was named by historians because of the influence of one city on the entire empire, and since we are trying to move from that comparison, we should not name the empire after a city. That being said, here follows my proposals.

- Nostro Empire (Coming from the Latin Nostro Imperium, or Our Empire, most likely the coloquial name that citizens would call the empire, since Nostro Mare was the roman name for the Mediterrenean, it wouldn't be so far fetched that the coloquial name of the empire would carry over through history). - Triaum Empire (Reipublicae Popularis Triaum, Popular Republic of Tria, would be the official name of the Empire, but instead of being named after a city, it would be named after a people, the Tria people, even thought Tria means Three, we can consider the Tria a mithological name, maybe after three goddesses, family members or anything related to the number 3, I think Triaum is a nice name.

• Capital of the Empire:

There has been a long discussion of Osianopoli not being the empire's capital. So I propose an idea, Osianopoli WAS the original capital, but contrary to the Roman Empire, here, the city was not needed to be the centre of power. The Popular Capital, where most things go, where holidays are celebrated, where victories are celebrated would be Osianopoli, however, during the growth of the empire, the political capital would be moved to a more centralized area. Here are my proposals:

- Triaum Urbs Imperial/ Triaumpolis Imperial / Triaum Imperial (Named after the empire itself if the empire is to be named Triaum, it would probably in the coast along UL08e, UL08b, UL08e, Etoe in Sathriada, Mitras or Northern Castellán, however I would like to avoid putting the capital in the territory of a current owned territory). - Civitelle (It would have been moved there, meaning in Italian, just, small city, it would probably show how the political capital is smaller than the historical capital)

We could also have the political capital be in an unknown place, maybe locations have been proposed but not archeological evidence was able to fully prove that one specific place was the capital.

I ask of all of you your ideas so we can finally settle this issue.

Ideas

Extent of the Empire

I would like to see the empire extend further north to include Tircambry (and UL10-98 & 99) because there are a lot of Latin-origin words and placename elements in Welsh (OGF Cambric) which date from the Roman occupation. A number of common English placename elements also have Latin origins from this era, either directly or via Brittonic (pre-Welsh), e.g. ...cester, ...chester, ...port... , so I'm not sure it makes sense to exclude Ingerland either. This creates an empire which is much bigger than the Roman Empire but still smaller than some other pre-industrial empires (Mongul, Chinese, Islamic), so would it be unrealistic? Pawl (talk) 10:38, 24 March 2024 (UTC)

This is how I imagine the Romantian Empire to have looked like: https://imgur.com/r5XR7ew

darker red: empire proper; lighter: dependencies; ellipse: area for possible imperial capital --Stjur (talk) 13:20, 24 March 2024 (UTC)

Personally, I think I prefer this sketch of the empire's extent. The OGF:Roman Empire having less influence over Turquan Uletha could perhaps aid in explaining why there is a very abrupt cultural border between Romance and Turquan cultures in our world. A "French Rome" could be an interesting way to reimagine the potential capital of Franqueterre. As for the role of Osianopoli within this version of the empire, it could have been an important city for maritime trade rather than political power in the empire. Alternatively, if we imagine our Roman Empire got divided much like its real life counterpart, perhaps Osianopoli became the seat of power for one of the empire's more notable successor states? --Timboh (talk) 19:38, 24 March 2024 (UTC)

While I have other thoughts about the Empire I'll write up here soon (hopefully), I just want to say that I agree that a historic capital in Franqueterre would be ideal in my opinion, and would remove the empire further from IRL:Rome (and I don't think Osianopoli has necessarily been mapped as a historic capital). I also don't think a division between a political/popular capital makes sense as Davi has proposed, while classics isn't my area of expertise it's my understanding that Rome depended on the city being the centre for everything --- having a geographic disconnect between the political elite and the popular public I don't think would have gone over well. --Lithium-Ion | [1] (talk) 02:44, 25 March 2024 (UTC)

Name for the Sea

@Davieerr (talk), Mare and Imperium are neuter in Latin, you would have Mare Nostrum and Imperium Nostrum (for nominative). For the sea, I would suggest using a stem that relates to its southern location when looked from Osianopoli (Osianople in Ingerish?), either as such or alludes to it: something based on the notion of light/bright, red/white or warmth as some languages do. What about Mesembric Sea based on μεσημβρία/mesembría (Ancient Greek for midday or south while Modern Greek uses νότος/nόtos for south)? You would have Mar Mesémbrico, Mare Mesembrico or Mer Mésembrique in some of the languages now bordering that sea. --Aiki (talk) 18:56, 24 March 2024 (UTC)

I've always wanted to change the name of the Mediterranean Sea on OGF, so I am very happy to see this finally being discussed. The Mesembric Sea is a nice name I think. Seeing as there likely aren't any Greek-speaking territories bordering the sea, where would the Ancient Greek name have come from? Hellanesian/Eganian settlers predating the OGF:Roman Empire? --Timboh (talk) 19:38, 24 March 2024 (UTC)