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| | OpenGeoFiction in its current form is only meant for mapping a fantasy reflection of the current, real world. It would be cool, though, to build a second OpenGeoFiction, which is aimed at creating magical worlds, as are found in fantasy books. I have been playing with the idea for a while now, but do not know how to execute it. There would obviously be some problems with that, some of which include that many magical, geographical features don't have tags or that extensive cave systems would be hard to map. |
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| ===初めての方へのご紹介===
| | I would like to get a general feel and feedback from the community about this idea and potentially people to realize the plan (Maybe thilo, Joschi81, or Luciano). Maybe such things are already in the make? |
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| こんにちは! OpenGeoFictionへようこそ。OGFは、架空の地図を作成するための共同プラットフォームです。OpenGeofictionのダイナミックなコミュニティは、幅広い背景、文化、職業、年齢層の趣味人で構成されています。私たちは、知識、経験、想像力を駆使して、現代を舞台に、リアリズムを重視した架空の世界を作り上げるマッパーのコミュニティです。オークやエルフ、エイリアンといったファンタジーやSF的な要素のある惑星ではありません。むしろ、発電所や高速道路、住宅地と、絵に描いたような古い町並み、美しい国立公園、寂しいビーチが共存しています。
| | --[[User:Fifafo|Fifafo]] ([[User talk:Fifafo|talk]]) 14:28, 22 May 2022 (UTC) |
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| このサイトのドキュメントはほとんど英語で書かれています。[https://wiki.opengeofiction.net/index.php/OpenGeofiction:Site_policies サイトポリシー]と[https://wiki.opengeofiction.net/index.php/OpenGeofiction:Getting_started ご利用方法]はこちらをご覧ください。英語に抵抗がある方は、[https://www.deepl.com/translator?utm_source=lingueede&utm_medium=linguee&utm_content=header_translator Deepl]や[https://translate.google.com/?hl=de&sl=en&tl=ja&op=translate Google]翻訳などのサービスを使って簡単に翻訳することができます。このフォーラムスレッドにコメントしたり、日本語でメッセージを書き込んでもOK! 他のユーザーが翻訳して、自分の国の言葉で答えてくれます。wikiのアカウントを登録するには、まず[https://opengeofiction.net/user/register-new-name ここ]でOGFに登録し、管理者チームに[https://opengeofiction.net/message/new/admin メッセージ]を送ってください。
| | :[https://wiki.geofictician.net/wiki/index.php/Arhet Arhet]? --[[User:Luciano|Luciano]] ([[User talk:Luciano|talk]]) 15:17, 22 May 2022 (UTC) |
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| このフォーラムスレッドでは、コラボプロジェクトを企画したいと思います。コラボでは、複数のメンバーが一つの国に対して共同で作業を行います。私たちは、[https://opengeofiction.net/#map=7/29.286/129.902&layers=B この場所]に日本語を話す架空の国を作りたいと考えています。しかし、現在、日本語が上手なメンバーがほとんどいません。日本語を話せる方で、このプロジェクトに参加することに興味がある方は、以下に'''コメントしてください'''。
| | ::Oh, I have come across that before, I think. It wasn't public then, but now it semi is. Thanks! --[[User:Fifafo|Fifafo]] ([[User talk:Fifafo|talk]]) 15:38, 22 May 2022 (UTC) |
| | So is there a download of the actual OpenStreetMap software available somewhere? And if so how do you download a world that doesn't exist Was it drawn? Imported from a fractal mapmaker program? |
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| ===プロジェクトの概要===
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| 日本をテーマにした新しい国（UL30c）にはまだ名前がありません。このスレッドの目的は、実際のコラボレーションを開始することではありません。まず、一般的な議論を促進し、コミュニティの中で興味を持つメンバーが十分に多いかどうかを判断したいと思います。最終的にコラボを開始するためには、少なくとも以下のメンバーがマッピング活動のかなりの部分を投資することに興味を持つことが理想的です。
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| *3人のアクティブなメンバー
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| *日本語がほぼ流暢なメンバー1名
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| *高品質なマッピングの経験を持つ2人
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| *他の主要な活動領域が1つ以下である2人
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| UL30cは、ウレタ南東部（日本語から部分的にインスピレーションを受けたコンラングスを使用する多くの国がある地域）とアルカンタ北部（中国語を話す祖国であり、現実の日本と同じように漢字が東ウレタに広まった可能性がある）の間にあるため、日本の故郷として選ばれています。現実世界の日本よりやや熱帯の気候にあり、総面積は小さい。現実世界の日本同様、海洋国家である。UL30cの[https://opengeofiction.net/#map=7/29.467/129.639&layers=B 現在のスケッチ]は議論の出発点に過ぎず、後でコラボのメンバーによって修正される可能性があります。
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| ===ディスカッションのための質問===
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| このスレッドでは、以下のトピックについて議論したいと思います。
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| *Q1: このコラボレーションに参加したいと思うのは誰ですか？
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| *Q2：国の名前は何になるのでしょうか？
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| *Q3: UL30cは現実の日本とどのように違うのでしょうか、または違うべきでしょうか？
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| **同じであるべき：言語、宗教...
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| **異なる可能性：社会、経済、政府、インフラ...
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| **間違いなく違う：気候、サイズ...
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| *Q4: コラボレーションはどのように構成されるべきですか？
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| **言語の一貫性を確保するために、メンバー間の協力が特に必要でしょう。
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| *Q5: 日本人のフィクション・マッピング経験者にアプローチするにはどうしたらよいでしょうか？
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| ===どう始めればいいですか？===
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| 簡単ですよ！まずは、Open Geofictionに[https://opengeofiction.net/user/register-new-name サインアップ]してください。
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| サインアップしたら、日本語対応ユーザーにプライベートメッセージを送信してください。
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| * [https://opengeofiction.net/message/new/Izaland%20Terramorphing%20Committee Izaland Terramorphing Committee]
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| * [https://opengeofiction.net/message/new/kengoman Kengoman]
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| こちらから誘導させていただきます。
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| 皆さんの応募をお待ちしています！！
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| ==English==
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| ===Introduction to newcomers===
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| Hello! Welcome to OpenGeoFiction. OGF is a collaborative platform for creating fictional maps. OpenGeofiction's dynamic community of hobbyists comes from a wide range of backgrounds, cultures, occupations, and ages. We are a community of mappers that uses our knowledge, experience, and imagination to craft a fictional world, set in modern times and with an emphasis on realism. Our world is not a planet with fantastical or science-fiction elements, like orcs, elves, or aliens. Rather, it features power plants, motorways, and housing projects juxtaposed with picturesque old towns, beautiful national parks, and lonely beaches.
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| Most of the website's documention is in English. Click here for the [https://wiki.opengeofiction.net/index.php/OpenGeofiction:Site_policies site policies] and [https://wiki.opengeofiction.net/index.php/OpenGeofiction:Getting_started getting started]. If you don't feel uncomfortable using English, it can be translated easily using services such as [https://www.deepl.com/translator?utm_source=lingueede&utm_medium=linguee&utm_content=header_translator Deepl], [https://translate.google.com/?hl=de&sl=en&tl=ja&op=translate Google Translate] or others. You can comment on this thread or write messages in Japanese! Other users will translate it and answer in their own language. To register a wiki account, first register for OGF [https://opengeofiction.net/user/register-new-name here] and then send a message to the [https://opengeofiction.net/message/new/admin admin-team].
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| In this forum-thread, we want to plan a collaborative project. In a collab, several members work together on one country. We want to create a fictional Japanese speaking country in [https://opengeofiction.net/#map=7/29.286/129.902&layers=B this] location. However we currently have only very few members who speak good Japanese. If you speak Japanese and are interested in participating in this project, comment below.
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| The new Japanese themed country (UL30c) has no name yet. The purpose of this thread is not (yet) to start the actual collab! We would first like to foster some general discussion and estimate if there are sufficiently many interested members in the community. For the collab to eventually start, ideally at least the following number of members should be interested to investing a substantial amount of their mapping activity:
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| *two of them with substantial high-quality mapping experience
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| UL30c has been chosen as the location for a Japanese homeland, because it lies between south-east Uletha (a region with many countries that use conlangs partially inspired by Japanese) and northern Archanta (the Chinese speaking homeland from where Chinese characters could have spread to East Uletha similar to what happened in real-world Japan). It is situated in a slightly more tropical climate than real-world Japan and is smaller in total area. Like real-world Japan it is a very maritime country. The [https://opengeofiction.net/#map=7/29.467/129.639&layers=B current sketch] of UL30c is only a starting point for discussion and may be modified by the members of the collab later.
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| In this thread, we want to discuss the following topics:
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| *Q1: Who would be extremely - very - a little interested in being part of the collaboration?
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| *Q2: What could the country's name be?
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| *Q3: In what ways would or should UL30c explicitly be different than real-world Japan?
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| **Needed to be the same: language, religion...
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| **Possibly different: society, economy, government, infrastructure...
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| **Definitely different: climate, size...
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| *Q4: How should the collab be organized?
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| **There will be a special need for cooperation among the members to ensure language consistency.
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| *Q5: How could we reach (more) native Japanese people with experience in fictional mapping?
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| ==Discussion (write in any language! どんな言語でも書ける!) ==
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| これはコメントの一例です。コメントを入力しましたら、「~」を入れて、ご署名を御忘れずに。
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| ご自身の回答を追加するとき、「:」で初めてください（１マス空きますので、読みやすくなります。）--[[User:Izaland Terramorphing Committee|Izaland Terramorphing Committee]] ([[User talk:Izaland Terramorphing Committee|talk]]) 14:15, 10 December 2022 (UTC)
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| ===Q1 (Interested mappers)===
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| : Izaland Terramorphing Committee.
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| Since I already own as the main country Izaland, and I am the coordinator for the Plevia project, I wouldn't have enough energies and time to map extensively in this new country.
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| However, I would like to be able to take part to all the crucial decisions about the country, and considering that I am proficient in Japanese, act as a supervisor / communications helper between the potential users and the OGF community /neigboor countries.--[[User:Izaland Terramorphing Committee|Izaland Terramorphing Committee]] ([[User talk:Izaland Terramorphing Committee|talk]]) 14:15, 10 December 2022 (UTC)
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| Well me and Izaland has been working together to recruit Japanese mappers. Similarily I also don't have the time to map extensively here but I can help deal with the logistics of the language barrier (much like how I'm dealing with Huaxia)
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| [[User:Kengoman|Kengoman]] ([[User talk:Kengoman|talk]]) 13:09, 25 January 2023 (UTC)
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| hewwo there (≧▽≦)/ ik I may not be able to get involved at times due to rl but still I'm pretty interested in decisionmaking for this collab and also find it a perfect opportunity to get better at my mapping skills during whatever free time I've got (つ≧▽≦)つ (btw I'm currently learning Japanese at some level between beginner and intermediate so there you go ヾ(・ω・*)) [[User:Mikumikumapper|Mikumikumapper]] ([[User talk:Mikumikumapper|talk]]) 10:35, 25 January 2023 (UTC)
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| As a mapper of one of the few Japanese-speaking (partly) territories in OGF, I'd totally be interested on taking up the challenge and help with a Japanese homeland project, and I think it would enrich the future of both the collab and my territory itself. I could offer support especially on the natural side of things first, establishing a topography or offering support in the climatic classification of the area, before further commitment in the form of urban/regional mapping. --[[User:Martinawa|Martinawa]] ([[User talk:Martinawa|talk]]) 10:52, 24 February 2023 (UTC)
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| * つきおか (Japanese name in hiragana)
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| * "land of the moon" (literal meaning of the Japanese name)
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| * Yuerluvia (English name derived from the Mandarin pronunciation of 月陸 - yue-lu - and the -ia suffix)
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| it's similar to how RW Japan got its English name from yat-bun which is the Cantonese way of saying 日本 (which in Japanese pronunciation would be nihon) so... you get the idea (ﾉ◕ヮ◕)ﾉ*:･ﾟ✧ [[User:Mikumikumapper|Mikumikumapper]] ([[User talk:Mikumikumapper|talk]]) 10:35, 25 January 2023 (UTC)
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| idk how you got Tsukioka from the kanji but ok... there's better ways of coming up with the original Japanese name, the kanji are usually not the literal meaning nor the root of the names irl. Better to have more people have a brainstorm session on this. [[User:Kengoman|Kengoman]] ([[User talk:Kengoman|talk]]) 12:48, 26 January 2023 (UTC)
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| Just thought of sharing my thoughts on how different this Japan could be.
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| I'm imagining a less urbanised Japan. Perhaps much less rich than the Japan we know of. The capital and major port could be the more affluent parts of the country, while the rest is less developed.
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| But I doubt the Japanese mappers might be very keen on this idea, given it will be rather unimaginable of a poorer Japan. A Japan that might have industrialised late. --[[User:Zhenkang|Zhenkang]] ([[User talk:Zhenkang|talk]]) 09:40, 11 December 2022 (UTC)
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| ...<blockquote>yeah reading this I was pretty much thinking this should be a less affluent country than RW Japan so I surmise it could be more of a newly industrialized economy (o^ ^o) [[User:Mikumikumapper|Mikumikumapper]] ([[User talk:Mikumikumapper|talk]]) 12:23, 25 January 2023 (UTC)</blockquote>
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| Guys keep in mind that this project will not succeed without the Japanese mappers who will map them (and who we are actively trying to recruit irl in actual Japan), so it would have to be a suggestion that they will be cool with. Now in terms of late industrialization, "Early Showa Era Japan" is a theme that everyone is interested in, and moreso "Before the war early Showa Era Japan" so it could be a setup similar to that. [[User:Kengoman|Kengoman]] ([[User talk:Kengoman|talk]]) 13:09, 25 January 2023 (UTC)<blockquote>okie... so I agree a Japanese homeland project at newly industrialized economy levels should be more like RW Japan in the early Showa era (◕‿◕)♡ (but probably without the empire aspect that defined pre-1945 Showa Japan) [[User:Mikumikumapper|Mikumikumapper]] ([[User talk:Mikumikumapper|talk]]) 13:33, 25 January 2023 (UTC)</blockquote>
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| The empire thing (at least the nationalism part) is why people even recall that aspect of history. Although the invasion and genocide part can be removed. Better era comparison is probably late Meiji/Taisho in terms of culture, although economically more like 1970's. [[User:Kengoman|Kengoman]] ([[User talk:Kengoman|talk]]) 12:48, 26 January 2023 (UTC)
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| 【EN】After presenting OGF to a number of Japanese fantasy mappers, I think we are closer to the starting of this project.
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| To make the candidate territory more appealing to the future mappers, I discussed with Leowezy about pre-opening part of UL30c as a collaborative Japanese language nation.
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| The area I selected for this experiment (where the Japanese mappers could directly try out some of their skills) would be the easternmost island shaped like Hokkaido. After some days or weeks of practice in the area, those willing to proceed with the whole country would discuss with other non Japanese interested members about how to develop this new nation.
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| Feedback welcome!<br><br>
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| 【JA】先日、日本人の空想地図作家の方々にOGFを紹介し、ご興味を持ってくださった方が何人かいらっしゃいました。
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| 日本語で制作していく地域（[https://opengeofiction.net/relation/5862 UL30c]）をより求めやすくするように、最初から一部（北海道に近い東にある島）を先行開放することを提案します。
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| OGFを試したい方に、こちらで数日間（数週間）制作を試していただき、続く意思があれば、興味がある既存OGFメンバーと一緒に国のコンセプトを磨き、本格化を目指したいと思います。
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| ご感想をお待ちしております！
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| --[[User:Izaland Terramorphing Committee|Izaland Terramorphing Committee]] ([[User talk:Izaland Terramorphing Committee|talk]]) 14:41, 20 March 2023 (UTC)
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| ===Q5 (Outreach)===
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| so I was thinking as part of outreach why not promote this project on social media by targeting our promo towards people living in Japan who're interested in maps and worldbuilding and stuff like that? also I have some Japanese friends at my high school that I could promote this to so... you get the idea (◕‿◕)♡ [[User:Mikumikumapper|Mikumikumapper]] ([[User talk:Mikumikumapper|talk]]) 13:25, 25 January 2023 (UTC)
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| That is exactly what me and Izaland has been doing. If you can get Japanese people interested in your location that'll be cool too, just make sure to not be too overbearing with your promotion. [[User:Kengoman|Kengoman]] ([[User talk:Kengoman|talk]]) 12:48, 26 January 2023 (UTC)
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