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<div class="forumheader" style="margin: 1; background-color: #eeeeee; text-align: left; padding: 5px;">'''[[Forum:Index|Forums]] &rarr; [[Forum:Global and regional issues|Global and regional issues]] &rarr; {{PAGENAME}}'''</div>[[Category:Global and regional issues]]
| name = United Free Reedemia
| flag = FreedemianFlag.png
| symbol = FreedemianCoatOfArms.png
| symbol_caption = Seal
| native_name = Retimja Dezomi
| native_language = Budrian
| capital = [[Quentinsburgh]]
| population = 34,895,000
| population_year = 2020
| motto = << In Unity We Stand Redeemed >>
| anthem = <br>'''Hymn:''' "In Unity We Stand Redeemed"<br>'''March:''' [https://drive.google.com/file/d/1CweYUOKv2nbo0a5FPFQ2Gd13bgUSxJxb/view?usp=sharing "Bells of Democracy"]
| latitude = -21.259
| longitude = 32.025
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| intro = '''Free Reedemia''', officially '''United Free Reedemia''' and commonly known as '''Freedemia''', is a country in southern [[Tarephia]] along the [[Strait of Lyc]]. Freedemia is located on the Budrian Peninsula and borders [[Paroy]] to its northwest, [[Beldrio]] and [[Mirimar]] to its north, [[Mandatory Meilan]] at its southern tip, and the Strait of Lyc to its south. The capital is [[Quentinsburgh]] (population 4.9 million) and largest city is [[Jhuandan]] (population 5.2 million).


Freedemia is a constitutional presidential democratic republic consisting of 13 states. Freedemia is among the most urbanized countries in Tarephia, with the vast majority of the population living along the southern or eastern coasts and the interior being comparatively sparse. The area was forcibly taken from indigenous populations over time by several colonial powers starting around the 1300s and was home to multiple colonies, including the Castellanese colony of Tierra Redimida, the Ingerish colony of Ingerish Reedemia, and the Rivagien colony of Frankelyn. Fatigue from a series of intensifying land wars from the 1400s-1700s led colonists from the three colonies to unite and declare independence, which was granted in 1735 after the Reedemian Revolutionary War, often referred to as the "War for Peace from War" by Freedemians.
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With an HDI of 0.878, Freedemia is a highly developed nation, ranking high in international measures of economic freedom, quality of life, lack of corruption, and education, but also sees sharp inequality between the impoverished rural northern interior and wealthy urbanized coasts. Much of the country's wealth comes from resource extraction from the northern interior, including mining for metals and gems as well as foresting. Freedemia also has large natural gas reserves and has made large investments in nuclear and renewable energy production in an effort to move away from mass oil production. Agriculture in the eastern plains especially also plays a large role within the country. A member of the [[Tarephia Cooperation Council]], Freedemia is usually seen as one of the economic regional powers of southern Tarephia, and enjoys some diplomatic political power within the Lycene region as well. As a nation with a high pacifist population, partially based in religion, Freedemia lacks an exploratory military, with most armed forces being either defense or national service guard.
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==Discussion before 2022 (not latest version)==
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This is the discussion page for the setup of EUOIA. The '''Summarised proposal''' is what is currently being proposed. '''Old discussion''' is what has previously been discussed that lead to the proposal.


[[File:GlobewFreedemiaColored.png|right|frameless|309x309px]]
Questions that have to be answered:  
*Will there be an EUOIA parliament or not (see the appropriate chapter below)?
*Where will the suborganisations and institutes be located (as far as they haven't been claimed yet)?


== Etymology ==
When these questions have been anwered, we can approve the current proposal. As soon as all member states' names are behind ''approved'', the proposal for the EUOIA setup is approved after which we can update the [[Eastern Ulethan Organisation of Independent Allies|main page of EUOIA]].
Christic Castellanese made it to the east coast of what is now Freedemia in the early 1500s and called it Tierra Redimida, or "Land of the Redeemed", after they miraculously survived a storm to land along the coast. When the first Ingerish expeditions went out later to scout out the land before others followed to take it into Ingerish posession, [[Alexander Quentins]], the Ingerish explorer that led the 1500s expeditions to West Tarephia, butchered the grammar and the spelling of 'redeemed' in his writing and called the place "Reedemed Land". Quentins died shortly after discovering Freedemia, leaving others to refer to his notes. As such, the colony became known as Ingerish Reedemia, and later just Reedemia. Closer to 1700, writers proposing independence began writing of a "Free Reedemia" in pamplets and writings, which eventually was shortened by many to Freedemia in writing. The "United" portion of the official name refers to the unification of the three colonies into one nation.


== History ==
This proposal is:
*'''Approved''':
*'''Not approved''':
*'''Undecided/didn't vote yet''': [[Agarderia]], [[Arcantonie]], [[Belphenia]], [[Darcodia]], [[Eelanti]], [[Eshein]], [[Esthyra]], [[Glaster]], [[Kojo]], [[Mauretia]], [[Mergany]], [[Orinoco]], [[Reeland]], [[Sãikyel]], [[Viljanni]], [[Wiwaxia]], [[Wyster]], [[Østermark]]


{{Infobox history
===Summarised proposal===
| name = Free Reedemia
Based on what is discussed below, I ([[User:Rasmus Rasmusson|Rasmus Rasmusson]] ([[User talk:Rasmus Rasmusson|talk]]) 19:25, 5 July 2017 (CEST)) propose the following setup for EUOIA (Updated 4 August 2018):
| era_A = Early Colonization
====History and purpose====
| era_A_dates = 1300-1700
Ifgus's proposal for a general introduction to EUOIA's history (he mentions some nations, but you can of course add/change for yourselves at which point exactly your country joined):
| event_A1 = Rivagien arrival
After The [[World War]], [[Eastern Uletha]] suffered a huge economic catastrophe, much like the rest of the world. The countries where struggling to become steady again, to stabilize their economy and to rebuild what was demolished.
| dates_A1 = Late 1300s
In April 20, 1962, [[Wyster]], [[Mauretia]], [[Mergany]], [[Kojo]] and [[Eshein]] singed the [[Imperium Treaty]] which ordered the establishment of the [[Eastern Ulethan Economic Community|Eastern Ulethan Economic Support Alliance]]. The the goal of this economic organization was supporting each other economically to rebound from the catastrophe.  
| event_A2 = Castellanese arrival
In January 10, 1968, during a meeting of the alliance in [[Iola]], for the fist time the nations started to think about expending the alliance to other fields such and trade, education (Rasmus Rasmusson: ''I'd prefer 'Scientific cooperation' here), foreign relations, etc. but no decision was made.
| dates_A2 = Late 1400s
In July 3, 1976, during a meeting of the alliance in [[Bad Stanncatt]], the [[Bad Stanncatt Treaty]] was singed and ordered on the expansion of the fields that the organization is responsible to and was, in fact, the beginning of the organization as it is today.
| event_A3 = Ingerish Arrival
| dates_A3 = Mid 1500s
| event_A4 = Breaking of Ingerish-Castellanese Truce
| dates_A4 = Early 1600s
| era_B = Independence
| era_B_dates = 1700-1737
| event_B1 = Signing of Free Reedemia Compact & Declaration of Independence
| dates_B1 = April 1733
| event_B2 = Independence War (War for Peace)
| dates_B2 = April 1733-March 1737
| event_B3 = Official Independence and establishment
| dates_B3 = March 29th, 1737
| event_B4 =
| dates_B4 =
| era_C = Post Independence
| era_C_dates = 1737-present
| event_C1 = Reign of King Benjamin Cholmondeley
| dates_C1 = 1737-1789
| event_C2 = Reign of King Riley Cholmondeley
| dates_C2 = 1789-1808
| event_C3 = Post-monarchy Constitution adopted
| dates_C3 = 1811
| event_C4 = Modern Constitution adopted
| dates_C4 = 1898
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=== Pre-History ===
While many groups existed in the area at one point or another, Freedemia was most prominently home to the Budrian peoples before colonial settlement. The Budrian people occupied most of the eastern part of the peninsula, mostly populating along the coasts and eastern plains. One of the most significant pre-colonial settlements was what is now known as the city of [[Jhuandan (city)|Jhuandan]], a name closely derived from its original native name. Some historical evidence suggests that there was trade and travel across the strait with Antarephian native populations, explaining some shared vocabulary despite many ethnic and cultural differences. Jhuandan was a fairly modern settlement by most standards. It is partially believed that one reason Castellanese settlers were more willing to intermix with the Budrian people than with some other native populations was that they were impressed with their "advancement" over other native groups.


=== Colonization ===
The purpose of EUESA &gt; EUOIA:
In the late 1300s, the spread of the Rivagien Empire founded by Franqueterre reached to the Budrian peninsula, killing much of the native population in the western side and establishing the colony of Frankelyn. The Castellanese would arrive on the east coast in the late 1400s and early 1500s, establishing the colony of Tierra Redimida (Land of the Redeemed). While they took a less violent approach, partially due to being impressed by some of the native settlements on the east coast in comparison to other areas they'd colonized, there was still a lot of stealing of land and forced assimilation, causing many Budrians to flee inward into the northern interior of the country.  The arrival of the Ingerish and establishment of the colony of Ingerish Reedemia (named thus from a misspelling of Land of The Redeemed) in the mid 1500s continued this push inward.
*1962 : EUESA as an economic support system for its member states.
*1968 : starting talks about cooperation on field of trade, foreign relations, scientific development, etc., but no breakthrough yet
*1976 : founding of EUOIA in Bad Stancatt (Mergany). The purpose of EUOIA is to facilitate cooperation between its member states in several fields through various suborganisations: member states can choose on which level they cooperate with other member states (or not) and therefore which suborganisations they join.


By the late 1500s, Ingerland and Castellan had expanded their territory to the point the colonies bordered each other. At a global scale, the Ingerish and Castellanese had agreed to some degree of colonial alliance/truce. There was intermingling across the borders between the Castellanese and Ingerish colonists, and use of Jhuandan as a shared trading hub. However, at the ground level, by 1650 the alliance between Ingerish Reedemia and Castellanese Tierra Redimida had fallen apart. The colonial heads of Ingerish Reedemia had pushed east to take Jhuandan, breaking the truce and creating a series of land wars between the two colonies pushed by the colonial heads and their militaries. Most of the colonists didn't want any fighting, and the fatigue from the growing land wars led by the colonial governors yet opposed by most colonists would lead to many desiring independence from Castellan and Ingerland.
====Organisation====
The EUOIA has the following organs:
=====The Board of Governors=====
The Board of Governors is the main organ of EUOIA. It consists of two members per member state, who are appointed by the member states in any manner as they see fit. It has as its principal powers:
* To decide the general action and policy of EUOIA, determine the structure and functions of its organs, and consider any matter relating to friendly relations among the member states;
* To establish measures to coordinate the activities of the organs;
* To promote collaboration, especially in the economic, technological, scientific, and cultural fields, between the member states and with other international organisations whose purposes are similar to those of EUOIA.
* To approve EUOIA’s budget and determine the quotas of the member states;
* To adopt its own rules of procedure and its agenda.


Emboldened by Paroyan revolutionaries' actions around 1729 and realizing that the Ingerish empire had been weakened significantly by the Ingerish Civil War and other ongoing independence battles, many pacifist Christic pro-independence leaders from within Ingerish Reedemia began to develop plans to fight back against the Ingerish for independence. However, it became clear that everyday citizens in Castellanese Tierra Redimida were also in favor of joining the effort, and that the neighboring "enemy" Rivagien Cabelia colonists were equally fatigued. As such, around 1732, as the Paroyan war for independence began coming to a close, Ingerish independence leaders reached out to independence leaders in Tierra Redimida and in Frankelyn. The Free Reedemia Compact was signed in early April 1733 after news of Paroyan independence, unofficially unifying the pro-independence colonists under the "Free Reedemia" banner ( named in contrast to Ingerish Reedemia).  
The BoG convenes at least twice a year, each time in another member state according to a rotating system.  


When the Free Reedemian revolutionaries declared Independence on April 23, 1733, both the Ingerish and Castellanese colonial heads declared war, expecting to be supported by their empires. However, the global truce was still in place and the kingdoms were still spread thin and weakened from other independence movements. Unable to agree on how to address the uprising by the Free Reedemia militias and desperate to keep peace with each other, the kings of Ingerland and Castellan withdrew support from the warring colonies, sharply turning the tide of the war in favor of the revolutionaries. The Ingerish and Castellanese would retreat in January 1735, with the already much weaker Cabelia folding shortly after in March 1735.
=====The Secretariat=====
The Secretariat is the administrative organ of EUOIA and takes care of daily business. It is headed by the organisation’s Secretary General. It’s main tasks are:
* To carry out those decisions of the BoG of which the implementation has not been assigned to another body;
* To prepare the meetings of the BoG
* To transmit to the member states the notice of the convocation of the BoG or any other EUOIA meeting.
* To serve as a custodian of the documents and archives of EUOIA
* To submit to the BoG at the first meeting session of each year an annual report on the activities of EUOIA in the past year, and on its financial condition.


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The Secretariat will be located in '''[[Viljanni]]''' {{MER-coordinates | zoom = 18 | latitude = 43.76048 | longitude = 130.15745}}.
TierraRedimidaColonyFlag.png|The flag of the Castellanese colony of Tierra Redimida.
IngerishReedemiaColonyFlag.png|The flag of the Ingerish colony of Ingerish Reedemia.
FreeReedemiaFightingHenFlag.png|The short-lived "Fighting Hen" flag of Free Reedemia, used by revolutionaries from 1730 to 1737.
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=== Post-Independence ===
The Secretary General is appointed by the BoG for one period of 1000 days; he or she originates from one of the member states. A Secretary General may not have the same nationality as his predecessor.
Benjamin Cholmondeley, one of the biggest figures in helping unify the colonists against the empires, was chosen as king to lead the newly established Freedemian monarchy in 1737. However, anti-monarchy sentiments were rising, and his son Riley Cholmondeley would be the last king of Freedemia, stepping down to help craft the parliamentary republican constitution adopted in 1811. The 1811 constitution was also revolutionary in that it granted women the right to vote, run for office, and not be barred from workplaces, something that happened much later in most other former Ingerish colonies. However, it had major flaws and lacked any sort of checks and balances system, rapidly descending into partisanship and corruption.
* In case a Secretary General dies in office or is otherwise incapacitated during his term, his or her country of origin will appoint an interim Secretary General who will assume the duties of the Secretary General either until the moment that the original Secretary General will be able to resume his or her duties, or until the end of the original Secretary General’s 1000 days term.
[[File:FreedemiaPopulationChart.png|200px|thumb|right|Freedemia's population growth from 1880 to 2020.]]
* The BoG, by a two thirds vote of their members, may remove the Secretary General from office, whenever the proper functioning of EUOIA so demands. The member state of origin of the removed Secretary General will appoint an interim Secretary General until the end of the original Secretary General’s 1000 days term.


The 1898 Constitution officially transformed Freedemia into more of a modern democracy, establishing more of a modern democratic-republican government with presidents instead of premiers, a non-parliamentary system, and a vigorous checks and balances system. The new democratic system, along with long-standing women's rights and the election of President Algenia Dreyser as the first woman president, made Freedemia attractive to immigrants from around the Lyc. Many would permanently migrate to Freedemia, causing rapid growth in many of Freedemia's larger cities. The mass influx of immigrants triggered a brief rise in nationalism, but nationalistic sentiments mostly died out when the Nationalist Party's militaristic tendencies went too far for the pacifist public.
If the 1000 days term is accepted and the first SecGen's term starts on 1 January 1977 (assuming that EUOIA was founded in its current form in July 1976), the list will be as follows:


Despite the influx in population, Freedemia remained somewhat isolationist for several decades, partially out of an attempt to avoid war. This led to the nation being fairly stable during the Great War, attracting more rapid population growth as people migrated from countries that were being much more directly harmed by the war. This tied in with the election of President Sean Bond in 1951, who spearheaded a campaign to build up infrastructure in Freedemia (such as rail, airports like [https://opengeofiction.net/#map=15/-21.1470/28.6219&layers=B Sean Bond International Airport], roadways, and public transit) to generate jobs and to catch up to population growth. His successor, Wallace Sanderson, started the discussion of using this infrastructure to open up more to tourism and international commerce, a concept that would be debated into the 1970s but eventually win out, with Freedemia becoming a founding member of the [[Tarephia Cooperation Council]] in 1984 and a full opening of the economy under President Fredrick Baum.
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An oil spill off the coast of [[Meilan]] in 1986 spurred the start of the Freedemian environmental movement. Freedemia would see a shift away from gasoline towards hybrids and to an eventual transition more towards natural gas within Freedemian production and use alongside the hybrids/electric. There was also a shift towards further development and adoption of solar and hydroelectric, along with a doubling down on nuclear. The shift away from gasoline and oil would also lead to significant investment in public transportation and the FreedemiRail network to further improve the system, including the main high speed line along the southern coast. Meanwhile, the newly opened economy and low regulations allowed Freedemia to enjoy substantial economic growth, riding the wave of the tech revolution with the founding of companies like Stepstone Technology and Megamer and seeing mass expansion of other companies like All-n-One and StarBurgers.
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=== Other Historical and Cultural Influences ===
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==== Pacifist Christics driving independence movement ====
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Much about Pacifist Christics can be summed up in their creed: "''Harm not a brother who hast not wronged thee, and do not lash out in anger''".
 
Pacifist Christics made up a large part of the population of the Ingerish colonies and had a lot of influence. This potentially is a large part of why the Ingerish initiated the unity and independence talks among the three colonies, valuing peace and stability over national identity or loyalty to the crown. Pacifist Christicism would have a large impact on the culture of Freedemia in the coming centuries- even as the particular religious sect faded into relative obscurity, many of the pacifist tendencies remained integral parts of Freedemian culture, and the sect itself remains one of Freedemia's largest Christic denominations.
 
==== Women in early Freedemia ====
Women were more respected as equals with a role to play within Pacifist Christicism than in other religious sects at the time, so within the Ingerish colony especially, women had a bit more of a say than might be expected for the time. In addition, the men across all of the colonies were usually the ones doing most of the hard labor, leaving the women to themselves. This led to a sort of informal politics among the women of the colonies, sometimes known as "washboard politics" or "reading room politics", where they tended to be informed of everything going on and to be some of the more vocal voices while most men besides local and religious leaders focused on the labor and logistics and tended to be informed on politics and current events by their wives. As such, as early as the push for the first post-monarchy constitution, women were pushing for more enumerated rights, and they would get many of their requests, including the right to vote, run for office, and not be barred from workplaces, granted in the 1811 constitution.
 
Even with this advanced approach to women's rights, the move to reasonable gender equality was slow. Social pressures still kept many women from running for office, and most who did run faced sexist campaigns against them. It wouldn't be until 1907 that a woman (President Algenia Dreyser) would be elected president of Freedemia, partially building upon decades of time as a respected "founding mother" and crafter of the new constitution.
 
== Geography ==
{{Infobox geography
| name = Free Reedemia
| continent = Tarephia
| region = The Lycene
| population = 34,895,000
| population_year = 2020
| area_km2 = 474322.99
| area_sq_mi = 183137.13
| percent_water = 11.34%
| density_km2 = 82.97
| density_sq_mi = 214.9
| custom_label1 = Major rivers
| custom1 = Windross, Gaber Rejt, Gaber Gaviera
| time_zone = WUT+2:00
}}
Freedemia is located in the south of [[Tarephia]] and has a land area of over 420,000km. The territory it controls lies between latitudes 16 and 25°S and longitudes 26 and 35°E.
[[File:FreedemiaInTarephia.png|thumb|250x250px|Freedemia's location in southern Tarephia on the Budrian Peninsula.]]
 
Free Reedemia forms most of the central portion of the Budrian Peninsula, located at the southern tip of the Tarephian mainland. The shape of Freedemia's borders often draws comparisons to a chicken, contributing to the hen symbolism often used to represent Freedemia. The country has a southern (and western) coastline along the Charmois Sea and an eastern coastline along the Sound of Beaudry, each which includes numerous islands. While most in the region casually refer to the entire body of water as the Strait of Lyc, the strait is technically south of Freedemia touching [[Meilan]]. Most observers describe Freedemia in terms of four fairly well defined topographical regions: the urbanized coastal plains of the southern and eastern coasts, the inland agricultural plains of Chavana in the east, the ''Firqa Adarir'' (Green Mountain Range, thus named for the very high tree-line and vegetated mountainsides) running northwest-to-southeast through the country's center, and the jungle-filled hills and mountains of the northern interior.
 
The Firqa Adarir are some of the tallest mountains in the region. Peaks are frequently from 2000 to 4000 meters in height, and are part of a longer range that continues beyond the Budrian peninsula across to [[Brocelliande]] and [[Barzona]] to the northwest and across to Antarephia in the southeast. (Unnamed Peak) in this region is Freedemia's highest point at 5035m. Freedemia is home to many river basins, the largest including the Gaber Rejt basin in the northern interior, the Gaber Gaviera basin in the eastern plains, and the Windross River basin in the urbanized south. Waterfalls like the [https://opengeofiction.net/#map=16/-20.8128/29.0567&layers=B Emerald Falls] abound in many of the mountainous areas, and are some of Freedemia's most prized natural wonders. Several large lakes in the south-central region of Freedemia, known as the (insert name) lakes, are  the largest on the Budrian Peninsula and some of the largest in southern Tarephia and northern Antarephia.
 
Freedemia borders [[Paroy]] to the northwest, [[Mirimar]] and [[Beldrio]] to the north, and the AN mandate [[Meilan]] to the south. While separated by international water in the Charmois Sea, Freedemia is also usually considered to border [[Cabelia]] and [[Airannia|Aerágny]]. Antarephian countries such as [[Geare]] (mainland) lie across the strait. Freedemia's most significant natural resources are (insert) It also has large areas of arable land and water.
 
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Plitvice lakes (19).JPG|The lakes surrounding Emerald Falls.
File:Andes_in_Colombia-_All_shades_of_green.JPG|The foothills of the Firqa Adarir
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=== Climate ===
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  | 17.3|28.2|96.4
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  | 14.3|25.3|89.8
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  | 12.8|23.6|88.4
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  | 9.5|20.1|83.5
  | 8.2|19.5|81.2
  | 10.1|21.1|84.7
  | 12.4|23.3|86.8
  | 13.6|26.7|89.3
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The climate in Freedemia varies between humid sub-tropical throughout the southern and eastern plains and tropical rainforest in much of the northern interior. The southwestern urban coastal part of Freedemia is considerably drier than the agriculture-rich plains of the east or the rainforests of the far north due to the rain shadow cast by the Firqa Adarir (Green Mountain Range), the major range that runs through much of the country.
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|align=&quot;center&quot;|28/9/1979
While the strong humidity is known to make it feel more hot than it is, the subtropical location keeps most of the country fairly mild year-round, with the lowest average temperatures in winter hitting average lows of about 8°C in the southern coastal cities. This has helped contribute to making Freedemia a major year-round tourist destination.
|align=&quot;center&quot;|23/6/1982
 
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[[File:FreedemiaClimateMap.png|thumb|center|Climate map of Freedemia. Most of the country is subtropical or tropical.]]
 
== Administrative Divisions ==
{{Infobox admin div
| name = Free Reedemia
| first-level = 13 states
| second-level = municipalities and counties
| third-level = boroughs (in large municipalities)
| fourth-level = borough seats, wards (of boroughs)
}}
 
Freedemia is broken up into 13 '''states'''. While states have less power than the federal government or local jurisdictions, they are still important administrative structures in Freedemia's federal system. [[Quentinsburgh]] serves both as the national capital and as the capital of Quentins state. States are divided into independent '''municipalities''' in urban and town areas and '''counties''' in rural areas. The largest municipalities like Quentinsburgh are further broken down into '''boroughs''', which consist of a main '''borough seat''' and smaller '''wards''', which are essentially suburbs within the municipality but with partial autonomy.
[[File:FreedemiaStateMap.png|thumb|center|400px|A map of Freedemia's 13 states.]]
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! Name and Map Link!! Abbreviation !! Capital and Map Link !! Population !! Notes
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|align=&quot;center&quot;|24/6/1982
|align=&quot;center&quot;|19/3/1985
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| '''Chavana''' [https://opengeofiction.net/relation/9779 (map)]|| CH || TBD || TBD || <small>agriculture</small>
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|align=&quot;center&quot;|20/3/1985
|align=&quot;center&quot;|14/12/1987
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| '''Edinshire''' [https://opengeofiction.net/relation/9765 (map)] || ES || Edinhurst || TBD || <small>Edinshire also includes the westernmost Auliffe Island</small>
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|align=&quot;center&quot;|15/12/1987
|align=&quot;center&quot;|9/9/1990
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| '''Frankelyn''' [https://opengeofiction.net/relation/9781 (map)] || FR || Frankelyn (City) [https://opengeofiction.net/#map=12/-19.5912/26.6920&layers=B (map)] || TBD || <small>Frankelyn is the heart of the former Rivagien colony of the same name, and is known for its history and lingering Rivagien culture. Frankelyn is also home to much of Freedemia's arts in Frankelyn and its theater and entertainment industry in Vandoveur.</small>
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|align=&quot;center&quot;|10/9/1990
|align=&quot;center&quot;|5/6/1993
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| '''Gaviera''' [https://opengeofiction.net/relation/9788 (map)] || GA || Juliana || TBD || <small>agriculture</small>
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|align=&quot;center&quot;|6/6/1993
|align=&quot;center&quot;|1/3/1996
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| '''Jhelesie''' [https://opengeofiction.net/relation/9787 (map)] || JL || Fotja Rejt [https://opengeofiction.net/#map=11/-19.3144/32.2414&layers=B (map)] || TBD || <small>Jhelesie includes a significant part of the most jungle-filled rural parts of Freedemia's northern interior. While Rosalita is the largest city, Fotja Rejt is the central hub for much of the rural north. Jhelesie is home to the bulk of Freedemia's resource extraction industries such as mining and wood harvesting.</small>
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|align=&quot;center&quot;|2/3/1996
|align=&quot;center&quot;|26/11/1999
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| '''Jhuandan''' [https://opengeofiction.net/relation/9767 (map)] || JH || [[Jhuandan (City)]] [https://opengeofiction.net/#map=11/-23.7464/32.8210&layers=B (map)] || TBD || <small>Today Jhuandan and its namesake city (Freedemia's largest) are mostly known for being the heart of Freedemia's tech industry. Historically, Jhuandan has also been a point of mixing cultures- besides having a rich indigenous heritage, both the Ingerish and Castellanese held the region throughout the colonial era, and the region has a large [[Meilan|Meilanese]] population today.</small>
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| '''Lawrence''' [https://opengeofiction.net/relation/9777 (map)] || LW || Lawrence (City) [https://opengeofiction.net/#map=12/-22.8879/30.8252&layers=B (map)] || TBD || <small>Lawrence has historically been the heart of Freedemia's heavy manufacturing industry. Recent international collaboration has hit the industry hard as jobs and contracts are outsourced to other Tarephian and global countries. Lawrence also includes several of the Auliffe Islands.</small>
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| '''Pell''' [https://opengeofiction.net/relation/9773 (map)] || PL || Amelins [https://opengeofiction.net/#map=12/-23.8651/31.2815&layers=B (map)]|| TBD || <small>Pell is partially known for its large Geare and Meilanese populations.When the Assembly of Nations expanded the Meilan mandate,  a part of the state was taken and given to Meilan as punishment for President Daffenschmidt's Tri-State Aggression against Meilan in the 1940s. </small>
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| '''Quentins''' [https://opengeofiction.net/relation/9770 (map)]|| QT || '''[[Quentinsburgh]]''' [https://opengeofiction.net/#map=11/-21.1152/28.6448&layers=B (map)] || TBD || <small>Quentins is most well known for Quentinsburgh, the national and state capital as well as the central hub for the nation at large. It was the heart of Ingerish Reedemia in colonial times and is still the cultural and financial hub of Ingerish-dominated Freedemia today.</small>
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| '''Tierra Redimida''' [https://opengeofiction.net/relation/9783 (map)]|| TR || Los Redimidos [https://opengeofiction.net/#map=12/-18.5291/34.8243&layers=B (map)] || TBD || <small>Originally the heart of the Castellanese colony of the same name, Tierra Redimida has the largest remaining Castellanese presence in Freedemia, both in culture and in population.</small>
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== Demographics ==
=====No Parliament?=====
{{Infobox demography
I ([[User:Rasmus Rasmusson|Rasmus Rasmusson]] ([[User talk:Rasmus Rasmusson|talk]]) 19:25, 5 July 2017 (CEST)) am still not convinced that a parliament is needed, especially from the beginning of EUOIA's existence. It depends on the depth of the integration of the member states and whether EUOIA is a super-governmental or an inter-governmental organisation. A parliament can however be created at a later moment; it could e.g. be part of current ongoing discussions.
| name = Free Reedemia
*I too don't think we need a parliament. I'd be okay with it being part of current negotiations, but I really think its superfluous. &amp;mdash; [[User:Alessa|Alessa]] &lt;sub&gt;([[User_talk:Alessa|talk]])&lt;/sub&gt; 15:47, 15 August 2018 (CEST)
| demonym = Freedemian or Free Reedemian
 
| official_languages = Ingerish
::'''Let's vote about this! :D'''&lt;br&gt;
| minority_languages = Franquese, Castellanese, Budrian
::Please fill in your username after 'yes', 'no', 'don't know/undecided':
| ethnicity_bars = {{bar percent|Ingerish or Ingerish-Tarephian|#cc0000|27}}{{bar percent|Castellanese or Castellanese-Tarephian|#ffd966|25}}{{bar percent|Native Tarephian|#1d7627|22}}{{bar percent|Rivagien or Rivagien-Tarephian|#1e099b|10}} {{bar percent|North Archantan|#c90076|7}} {{bar percent|Other Ulethan|#7f6000|5}} {{bar percent|Other or other mixed|#999999|3}}
::*'''yes, we need a parliament''':
| religion_bars = {{bar percent|Pacifist evangelic Christic|#cc0000|49}}{{bar percent|Conservative Prosperity Christic|#660000|13}}{{bar percent|Traditional Pacifist Christic|#990000|11}}{{bar percent|Other Christic|#ea9999|11}}{{bar percent|Ibriyim|#1e099b|5}}{{bar percent|Imani|#1d7627|3}}{{bar percent|Non-practicing|#444444|3}}{{bar percent|Other (inc. Koinoia)|#999999|5}}
::*'''no, we don't need a parliament''': [[Wyster]], [[Mauretia]]
| literacy = 98 {{steady}}
::*'''don't know/undecided''':
| life_expectancy = 74 (male) {{steady}}<br>79 (female) {{increase}}
}}=== Urban Centers ===
Freedemia is a very urbanized nation, with most of its population living in cities along its southern and eastern coasts.
{| class="mw-collapsible mw-collapsed wikitable"
|+ style="white-space:nowrap; border:1px solid; padding:3px;" | Largest Cities
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! City Name !! Population !! Map Location !! Notes
|-
| '''Jhuandan, JH''' || 5,200,000 || Example || Example
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| '''[[Quentinsburgh|Quentinsburgh, QT]]''' || 4,900,000 || Example || The capital of Freedemia and Quentins state, Quentinsburgh is one of the wealthier cities and home to a strong business community.
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| '''Frankelyn, FR''' || 1,200,000 || Example || Frankleyn is the oldest colonial city in Freedemia, and is known for the arts as well as its Rivagien heritage, grandeur, and prestige.  
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| '''Vandoveur, FR''' || Example || Example || Home to Betterview-Century Media and other major entertainment companies, Vandoveur stands in sharp contrast to Frankelyn as a bustling entertainment city that boomed in the 1900s. The city has a reputation as Freedemia's "weird" city, with a more eccentric and flamboyant population than most of the country.
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| '''Los Redimidos, TR''' || Example || Example || Example
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| '''Lawrence, LW''' || Example || Example || Example
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| '''Lenseter, LW''' || Example || Example || Example
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| '''Qinter Flora, GA''' || Example || Example || Example
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| '''Sent Qerlina, CH''' || Example || Example || Example
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| '''Sainte-Margo, MG''' || Example || Example || Example
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| '''Arbordale, QT''' || Example || Example || Example
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| '''Wendale, WD''' || Example || Example || Example
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| '''Fotja Rejt, JL''' || Example || Example || Fotja Rejt has the largest percentage of native Tarephians of any sizable city in the country.
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| '''Leyford, LS''' || Example || Example || Example
|}


{| class="mw-collapsible mw-collapsed wikitable"
=====Other specialised organisations and institutions=====
|+ style="white-space:nowrap; border:1px solid; padding:3px;" | Major Metropolitan Areas
Member states don't have to participate in every of these organisations and institutions. In the list below, the provisional locations of each organisation/institute are added as far as they have been claimed. The year of foundation should be added. Please only claim an organisation/institute if your country participates in the cooperation (and if your country was a member of EUOIA at the time of the organisation's foundation; moving around offices if an original host country isn't available anymore for some reason, is possible, but of course rather expensive so it should be avoided). If multiple member states claim the same organisation/institute, we could vote about it.
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! City Name !! Population !! Map Location !! Notes
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| '''Jhuandan Metropolitan Area''' || Example || Example || Example
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| '''Quentinsburgh/Mathers Bay Metropolitan Area''' || Example || Example || Part of the larger megalopolis stretching along the southern Freedemian coast
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| '''Frankelyn-Vandoveur Metropolitan Area''' || Example || Example || Sometimes referred to as "Freedemia's Odd Couple", the metro area is anchored by Frankelyn (a historic traditional city known for arts and prestige) and Vandoveur (a newer progressive city known for entertainment and flamboyance).
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| '''Lawrence-Lenseter Metropolitan Area''' || Example || Example || Often referred to as L<sup>2</sup> or L-Squared, the Lawrence-Lenseter Metro area is the geographical heart of Freedemia's declining heavy industry and one of the poorest major urban centers along the south coast. While many Freedemian companies have outsourced elsewhere, manufacturing facilities from Cabelian companies have helped retain industry jobs in the area.
|}


=== Nationality/Ethnicity ===
* Eastern Ulethan Economic Community (EUEC) &gt; facilitates free trade and other economic issues (free movement, transport, ...), located in '''[[Mergany]]''' {{MER-coordinates | zoom = 17 | latitude = 47.14454 | longitude = 131.36806}}
Much of the population is of medium or darker skin tones, and mixed native-colonial and native individuals actually outnumber those solely descended from colonial settlers roughly 46% to 42%. However, within Freedemia demographic reporting tends to group by nationality.
* Eastern Ulethan Defense Association (EUDA) &gt; common defense, located in '''[[Eshein]]''' {{MER-coordinates | zoom = 17 | latitude = 43.32081 | longitude = 129.37818}}
* Eastern Ulethan High Court of Justice (EUHCJ) &gt; for e.g. settlement of disputes NOT a judicial union! Located in Wyster? (see Rasmus Rasmusson's question below)
* Eastern Ulethan Institute for Science and Development (EUISD)
* Eastern Ulethan Medical and Health Organisation (EUMHO), located in '''[[Mauretia]]''' {{MER-coordinates | zoom = 18 | latitude = 43.52203 | longitude = 135.57141}}
* Eastern Ulethan Energy Office (EUEO)
* Eastern Ulethan Institute for Cultural Cooperation (EUICC) &gt; including sport issues
* Eastern Ulethan Investment Bank (EUIB) &gt; loans for less developed member states, EUOIA sponsored projects, etc.?
* Eastern Ulethan Diplomatic Bureau (EUDB) &gt; common embassies etc.
* Eastern Ulethan Space Agency Federation (EUSAF), if needed, located in '''[[Viljanni]]''' {{MER-coordinates | zoom = 17 | latitude = 43.8273 | longitude = 130.4136}}


=== Religion ===
(Since there is no fixed location for the Board of Governors, the building I mapped in Wyster ({{MER-coordinates | zoom = 17 | latitude = 51.97108 | longitude = 129.99704}}) can be used for something else. Can I claim the High Court of Justice for that? -- [[User:Rasmus Rasmusson|Rasmus Rasmusson]] ([[User talk:Rasmus Rasmusson|talk]]) 11:27, 4 August 2018 (CEST) )
The "freedom to observe or to not observe a religion, including all expression thereof, unless explicitly causing deliberate harm or injury...and without pressuring to the contrary" is guaranteed within the 1898 Freedemian constitution. There is also an expectation of some degree of separation of church and state, though this is usually interpreted as not to preclude "religion-neutral" laws made with religion-influenced values and morals in mind.


Freedemia is a largely Christic nation in population, partially owing to its Pacifist Christic heritage. Most religious tension within the country is actually within Christicism between denominations, as the slow rise of conservative prosperity groups has led to clashes with historically liberal groups like the traditional Pacifist Christics and the dominant pacifist-derived general evangelics. The nation also has sizable Ibriyim and Imani populations, as well as practicers of Koinoia near the Meilan border and others that do not observe a religion.
=====Treaties and agreements=====
Member states don't have to participate in every of these treaties and agreements.
* Founding Treaty
* Free Trade Agreement (to be facilitated by EUEC)


=== Languages ===
====Table of members and membership levels====
Ingerish is the dominant language and the main official language, with Franquese as a recognized language and Budrian as a minority language. Most of the country is Ingerish-speaking and Ingerish is treated as the lingua franca. However, Franquese does have lingering influence in Frankelyn and Margo, and Budrian, the primary native language, still has lingering influence in the north and east. Some Castellanese/Latinian influence remains as well, but mostly just in Tierra Redimida where the Castellanese colony would have once been based out of.
Please fill about your countries. Instructions are listed on the edit page.


==== Freedemian Ingerish ====
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Freedemian Ingerish, by far the main dialect of Ingerish spoken in the country, is very similar to other forms but includes some key discrepancies. Some spelling differences exist such as ending words like "boulevarde", "streete", "centre", and "rivermouthe" with the letter e. Terminology differences include the word "rounde" being used for roundabouts/traffic circles and the word "cardinal" also meaning "of utmost importance".
Please use the template {{EUOIA table country}} with the full set of parameters as provided. Use {{full}} to indicate full or nearly full collaboration and {{partial}} for partial collaboration.


==== Budrian ====
TEMPLATE and PARAMETERS:
Budrian as a native language has some relation to the Jolantian languages of native groups in Antarephia, including many similar or shared vocabulary. However, due to geographical separation, colonial influence, and other earlier differences between native languages besides Budrian, the grammar structure differs significantly from many of its peer languages, with a structure closer to a simplified Castellanese with a different vocabulary.
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=== Health ===
=====Table discussion=====
Health in Freedemia differs drastically between the wealthy urbanized coasts and the impoverished northern interior.
Some interesting and good discussion has started to come about here and on the EUDA page. It has made me thing more and more about what role Mauretia is playing/would play in the EUOIA. We all seem to have different desires about what the EUOIA should do. I think this is kind of cool. As much as most of us have developed (or mostly developed) countries, there are still some big differences. What if we allowed for a fluid membership? Even if this is only for the time being, it helps get collaboration off the ground and gives us things that we can incorporate into our mapping. Perhaps this is a good halfway point and compromise for those of us on opposite ends of the spectrum. In this way, the EUOIA can sponsor specific treaties and members can jump in as they wish. Perhaps, to further the compromise, there might need to be a minimum involvement (maybe a minimum of 3 areas to be a member)? I don't think that number should be too high, lest we run people off that we'd rather work with. Membership could be tracked with a simple table on the main article page. In the table a full participant has a green check and a partial participant has a faded check. Does this sound like something users are interested in? Happy mapping. [[User:Alessa|Alessa]] ([[User talk:Alessa|talk]]) 14:55, 22 March 2017 (CET) ''&lt;small&gt;Restored accidentally deleted comment along with a quick edit to fix grammar after table was moved. &amp;mdash;[[User:Alessa|Alessa]] ([[User talk:Alessa|talk]]) 06:37, 23 March 2017 (CET)&lt;/small&gt;''
:Thanks Alessa for the initiative. If I might ask, what exactly would &quot;common embassies&quot; include? Would that mean that the EUOIA would actually only have one embassy in third countries, which would represent all member countries? Also, open borders would need to be specified; does it mean free movement of goods and people like in the EU, e.g. every citizen of a member state may move to every country and work there without getting a visa, or would it only include a zero tariffs policy?[[User:Leowezy|Leowezy]] ([[User talk:Leowezy|talk]]) 20:46, 22 March 2017 (CET)
::Hi, Leo. According to the discussion below and the embassies listed on the main article, the embassies are those in smaller countries like [[Myrcia]], where it would not be economical for each member to have a separate facility. This doesn't mean that there can't be a separate ambassador at the shared space, and I don't think it is intended to preclude any member country from putting their own if relations would warrant it. For example, Mauretia may not have the means or interaction with Hoppon to place an embassy, but Kojo would given the newly-forming co-cultural bloc. So, Hoppon might have an EUOIA embassy for maybe Teberia and Mauretia separate from Kojo's. That's how I interpret it.
::Next, yes, open borders needs to be clarified. In fact, the chart I created was just a mock-up as part of a proposal and not even intended for use! I'm flattered that people jumped right in. I've reorganized it (without changing information or what others put for their country). Of course, some of the things you mention also fall under the purview of sub-organizations like the EUEC or EUDA, and not everything is a potential forfeiture of sovereignty. [[User:Alessa|Alessa]] ([[User talk:Alessa|talk]]) 06:37, 23 March 2017 (CET)


In coastal cities like Quentinsburgh and Jhuandan, health outcomes are good and healthcare is generally easily accessible. Life expectancies rival that of nations like the Federal States, and quality specialist care is available in partnership with many of Freedemia's best universities. While there are some minor exceptions in some urban slums, where living conditions are below reasonable living standard, healthcare is difficult to reach or obtain, and illnesses spread quickly, as a whole these regions are in good shape on the global scale. The primary concerns tend to involve obesity and health issues stemming from consumption of excessive fried foods.
:Adding to what I just wrote: I think it's also important to point out that some of the points above presuppose others; for example, a political union would obviously &quot;include&quot; a simple non-aggression pact; A common currency can only be implemented if there's at least some degree of political cooperation, same goes with open borders (that means EU-like free movement of people) etc.[[User:Leowezy|Leowezy]] ([[User talk:Leowezy|talk]]) 21:16, 22 March 2017 (CET)
::Correct. I hope my above comment explains that. I also should add that Mauretia might be willing to partake in a non-aggression pact but not necessarily the EUDA, even though EUDA would likely require the non-agg pact as a prerequisite. [[User:Alessa|Alessa]] ([[User talk:Alessa|talk]]) 06:37, 23 March 2017 (CET)
Thank you all for the discussion, especially [[User:Alessa|Alessa]] for the table.
*My intention with common embassies was to simplify the handling of foreign embassies for member states of EUOIA (simplify things is the main purpose of EUOIA for me), so as Alessa explained, there '''can''' be a common embassy in a country located. This makes sense in smaller (unimportant :) ) countries far away. The advantage is that not every member has to create hundreds of embassies '''and''' take care of them (in the case that the country is &quot;lost&quot;, the embassy is illegally occupied by somebody else (I have many embassies in foreign countries, almost each month one gets lost, that's extremely time consuming), ...). A new user who joins EUOIA directly has, without any effort, some representations in other countries. Of course every member is welcome to set up an own embassy if there are special connections to that country (EUOIA shouldn't restrict your possibilities).
*In my opinion, there will be too much information for such a simple table, it has to be much more detailed in the future: there should be some very general categories and in each category different options (and maybe sub-options). I think it is impossible to establish such a table suddenly, it's a long process to be more and more precise. My intention was that if somebody &quot;hosts&quot; one organization, one should also contribute ideas how to organize this part. At least each organization could have an &quot;informal&quot; group in which everybody is &quot;member&quot;. The &quot;Board of Governors&quot; should be mandatory for every member, I see no reason to be part of EUOIA but not meeting other government leaders.
*Another important issue of EUOIA (at least for me) is that there are no superpowers so far in OGF. Each member country on its own is negligible (sorry guys :) ). However, most countries (mine as well) claim to be the best, strongest, greatest nation on earth, just look at the annoying race in wiki-tables every day. So being part of EUOIA means being part of a strong, well organized &quot;block&quot; that nobody can disregard, no matter how it is really organized inside (e.g. still full sovereignty of each member).
--[[User:Mstr|Mstr]] ([[User talk:Mstr|talk]]) 07:51, 23 March 2017 (CET)


In contrast, health in the northern interior is worse than some developing countries. Due to the prevalance of dirty industry and environmental exploitation, along with minimal investment in infrastructure and sanitation, towns and villages are highly polluted and water sources are often contaminated. The northern interior has by far the highest rates of cancers and other health issues and the shortest life expectancies. Terrible work conditions and lack of adequate protections also often lead to injuries, amputations, or deaths. Low wages and contaminated soils also contribute to malnutrition.
===Membership requests===


== Economy ==
Request for Glaster to participate?
{{Infobox economy
| name = Free Reedemia
| economy_type = Market-leaning Mixed Economy
| currency = Freedemian Freedin (FƉ)
| sample = Freedemian10FreedinBill.png
| monetary_authority = Central Bank of Free Reedemia
| gdp_ppp_year = 2021
| gdp_ppp_total = $1200 billion
| gdp_ppp_per_capita = $34,389
| gdp_nominal_year = 2021
| gdp_nominal_total = $780 billion
| gdp_nominal_per_capita = $22,353
| hdi = 0.878
| hdi_change = {{increase}}
| hdi_year = 2021
| unemployment = 6.3%
| main_exports = minerals/metals, agricultural products, wood/paper, computing devices, vehicles/equipment and parts
| main_imports = clothes, spices, computer chips, chemicals, plastics
| sector_bars = {{bar percent|Primary|green|41}}{{bar percent|Secondary|red|19}}{{bar percent|Tertiary|yellow|26}}{{bar percent|Quarternary|blue|13}}{{bar percent|Other|gray|1}}
| custom_label1 = Largest companies
| custom1 = Megamer, StepStone Technology, Franklin's LLC, FRAMEX, Technisonic, Golden Brands, Starmobile Auto Group
}}{{See also|Economy of Freedemia}}
=== Major Exports and Resources ===
==== Metals, Minerals and Gems ====
Freedemia has a large mining industry. The largest mineral commodities are copper, nickel, and emeralds, though aluminum, gold, iron, and chromium are also large exports. The copper, nickel, and gold resources also contribute to Freedemia's computing and electronic manufacturing industries. The prevalence of emeralds (along with the rich green forests) has given Freedemia a strong association with rich green colors and made emeralds a sort of secondary symbol of the nation.


[[File:Béryl var. émeraude sur gangue (Muzo Mine Boyaca - Colombie) -2.jpg|300px|thumb|left|Some emeralds mined in Freedemia.]]
--[[User:Yuanls|Yuanls]] ([[User talk:Yuanls|talk]]) 15:46, 9 January 2016 (GMT)
:Yes, you're very welcome! --[[User:Rasmus Rasmusson|Rasmus Rasmusson]] ([[User talk:Rasmus Rasmusson|talk]]) 16:54, 9 January 2016 (CET)
::Thanks! --[[User:Yuanls|Yuanls]] ([[User talk:Yuanls|talk]]) 15:48, 9 January 2016 (GMT)
[[Mergany]] would like to participate --[[User:Mstr|Mstr]] ([[User talk:Mstr|talk]]) 2:39, 12 February 2016 (GMT)
:While I'm certain Rasmus would like to see a new member, I would suggest contacting him through private messaging to confirm that decision, as officially, I have no power to add members, as of now. --[[User:Yuanls|Yuanls]]([[User talk:Yuanls|talk]]) 20:37, 12 February 2016 (GMT)
::O but yes, you do Yanls! My intention is to make this a very broad organisation, so theoretically every Eastern Ulethan nation is welcome to join, just &quot;apply&quot; on this Talk page. So Mergany is welcome to join as well. I already mentioned my reservations regarding the Mergan names somewhere, but as long as they are accepted by the owners/moderators of OGF I see no reason to refuse Mergany as potential EUOIA member state :) --[[User:Rasmus Rasmusson|Rasmus Rasmusson]] ([[User talk:Rasmus Rasmusson|talk]]) 21:49, 12 February 2016 (CET)
::: Thanks a lot! I already improved some names and hopefully I never &quot;lose interest in elaborating [my] country&quot;. Is there anything I can contribute to EUOIA at the moment? --[[User:Mstr|Mstr]] ([[User talk:Mstr|talk]]) 23:39, 12 February 2016 (GMT)
:::: Mostly discussion regarding the nature of the organisation; whether it's a low or more intensive profile organisation... --[[User:Rasmus Rasmusson|Rasmus Rasmusson]] ([[User talk:Rasmus Rasmusson|talk]]) 00:32, 13 February 2016 (CET)
::::: I would prefer an organization containing all matters, maybe not for all members (if they have their own ideas), but seeing EUOIA as a head organization which could take care of all issues the members do not want to take care of and of course promote the cross-linking of infrastructure, economy, ... in eastern Uletha. I'm not sure if I - as a new member - can participate in the discussion of basic decisions: using EUOIA as a word in a sentence, it is very hard to pronounce it (in all languages I know). Replacing the word Organis(z?)ation by Coalition or Partnership or something similar would solve this &quot;problem&quot;? --[[User:Mstr|Mstr]] ([[User talk:Mstr|talk]]) 18:36, 13 February 2016 (CET)
:::::: Regarding the pronunciation: I intended it to be something like /youwoya/ or /eewoya/ as pronouncing all five initials separately would indeed be complicated. In [[Wystrian language|Wystrian]] it will probably become something like ''Ah Uletha Headhyr Beesse Gacenne (AUHBG)'', which is not easy to pronounce either. Perhaps it would be the most convenient if /youwoya/  or /eewoya/ is adopted in the languages of all member states, also in order to avoid confusion. (And EUOIA is of course a small joke as only vowels are used, but if it is really troublesome we can change it.)
:::::: I agree with the idea of facilitating several issues by separate treaties and leave it up to the member states if they join each of those treaties or not. --[[User:Rasmus Rasmusson|Rasmus Rasmusson]] ([[User talk:Rasmus Rasmusson|talk]]) 19:19, 13 February 2016 (CET)
:::::::Do you think we should advertise the organisation through the User Diary section? It might be a useful way to gain members. Or alternatively we can use private messages to message people who aren't normally available as well (E.g. Hellerick)  --[[User:Yuanls|Yuanls]] ([[User talk:Yuanls|talk]]) 19:27, 13 February 2016 (GMT)
::::::::[[File:Talk EUOIA memb.png|400px|thumb|right|eastern Uletha|link=Special:FilePath/Talk_EUOIA_memb.png]] Advertising would speed-up the procedure, but what exactly shall we advertise? What belongs to &quot;eastern&quot; Uletha? other regional unions (economic, military, ...) in order to campare to are so far: [[South-West Astrasian Economic Alliance (SWAEA)]], [[Central Archanta Economic Union]], [[Southern Uletha Economic Cooperation Council]] -&gt; also in Uletha --[[User:Mstr|Mstr]] ([[User talk:Mstr|talk]]) 20:39, 13 February 2016 (CET)
:::::::::I would have thought the area of admission would likely be any country north of the latitude of Belphemia and anywhere east of the longitude of Darcodia. --[[User:Yuanls|Yuanls]] ([[User talk:Yuanls|talk]]) 20:09, 13 February 2016 (GMT)
::::::::::Let's keep it undefined for now. It would be a pity if we excluded potentially active member states on forehand based on a geographical technicality. We could make the discussion  if a country is eastern ulethan enough part of the joining procedure. --[[User:Rasmus Rasmusson|Rasmus Rasmusson]] ([[User talk:Rasmus Rasmusson|talk]]) 21:15, 13 February 2016 (CET)
:::::::::::I agree, to list the potential nations was only the first idea whom to ask for becoming a member, if there should be advertisement --[[User:Mstr|Mstr]] ([[User talk:Mstr|talk]]) 21:27, 13 February 2016 (CET)
[[Østermark]] Would like to participate, although it's a small and poor country with a big chip on its shoulder and, once I get writing more, sanctions against it for its whaling. Plus it's pissed off for having to share its island with the much more powerful Nucia, with which it has mixed relations at best. I would imagine that it would be under constant threat of being kicked out of the EUOIA but desperately wants to be part of it for the benefits. I would also imagine that the other nations involved would also find Østermark's involvement grating, because they contribute as little as they can while taking as much they can. --[[User:Demuth|Demuth]] ([[User talk:Demuth|talk]]) 11:44, 14 February 2016 (CET)
:I think Østermark will be an asset to EUOIA as far as I'm personally concerned (Wyster may be less amused if Østermark behaves indeed like you describe); after all, it would be rather boring if all member states are friendly and cooperative :) --[[User:Rasmus Rasmusson|Rasmus Rasmusson]] ([[User talk:Rasmus Rasmusson|talk]]) 11:53, 14 February 2016 (CET)
::Exactly. Stir things up a bit! --[[User:Demuth|Demuth]] ([[User talk:Demuth|talk]]) 12:05, 14 February 2016 (CET)
[[Orinoco]] would like to participate --[[User:Easky30|Easky30]] ([[User talk:Easky30|talk]])
::[[Belphenia]] would like to participate for economic reasons. [[User:BelpheniaProject|BelpheniaProject]] ([[User talk:BelpheniaProject|talk]]) 19:14, 12 March 2016 (CET)


==== Vehicles and Parts ====
[[Sãikyel]] would like to participate. [[User:Stara Zagora|Stara Zagora]] ([[User talk:Stara Zagora|talk]]) 03:14, 16 September 2016 (CEST)
Freedemia has a history of heavy industry and vehicle manufacturing, including export of cars, buses, trucks, some rail infrastructure, and related parts. However, the rise of quality of life and economy in Freedemia has led to a decline in the industry as domestic and foreign brands move manufacturing to countries with cheaper labor. Nonetheless, the industry is still one of Freedemia's largest. Even after outsourcing of much heavy industry, Freedemia's [[Starmobile]] Auto Group remains one of the largest auto brands in Tarephia, behind its [[Vodeo|Vodean]] competitors and about even with brands from neighboring [[Paroy]]. In addition, many [[Cabelia]]n companies now do heavy manufacturing in Freedemia.


==== Light Manufacturing, Appliances ====
[[Mauretia]] would like to be considered for participation, especially if it is for defense, environmental, and economic cooperation. I'm not in favor of a monetary or judicial union at this time, however. [[User:Alessa|Alessa]] ([[User talk:Alessa|talk]]) 02:21, 19 September 2016 (CEST)
Freedemia has a strong light industry, based primarily out of Jhuandan. Appliances, light electronics, and internals for each category respectively make up much of the industry, assisted by the metals mined within the country. Increasingly, this includes a growing tech industry including computers, mobile devices, and game systems from companies like StepStone and Megamer, though many of the internal chips come from [[Vodeo|Vodean]] companies like Marathon.
:Both countries are welcome to join! Please add yourselves to the wiki page. |[[User:Yuanls|Yuanls]] ([[User talk:Yuanls|talk]]) 08:13, 19 September 2016 (CEST)


==== Meat and Dairy ====
[[Teberia]] would like to participate, too. --[[User:Doktorpixel14|Doktorpixel14]] ([[User talk:Doktorpixel14|talk]]) 15:44, 23 February 2017 (CET)
Poultry, lamb, goat, and fish are Freedemia's largest meat products and exports. Due to the climate being more difficult for lambs and beef to be farmed naturally, poultry and fish dwarf other meat sources. Goats are mostly farmed further into the mountainous interior, while most Freedemian mutton and beef tends to come from more factory-farm like processes (fueling protests over farming conditions and animal abuse). Beef makes up a comparatively small amount of Freedemia's meat, while pork is nearly nonexistent in Freedemian farming due to the large Pacifist Christic, Ibryim, and Imani populations. Eggs, milk, and cheeses (from both cows and goats) also are major.
:You're welcome!--[[User:Mstr|Mstr]] ([[User talk:Mstr|talk]]) 06:37, 24 February 2017 (CET) '''THIS COUNTRY DOESN'T EXIST ANYMORE'''


==== Down ====
[[Nelavia]] would like to participate. --[[User:Avit|Avit]] ([[User talk:Avit|talk]]) 19:41, 1 March 2017 (CET)
Partially due to the prevalence of chickens and other poultry, down products also are one of Freedemia's largest exports, such as clothing and pillows.
:You are welcome to join! Please add your country's name to the list. [[User:Yuanls|Yuanls]] ([[User talk:Yuanls|talk]]) 20:21, 1 March 2017 (CET) '''DOES THIS COUNTRY STILL EXIST?'''


==== Agriculture ====
[[Eshein]] would like to participate --[[User:ifgus]]
Rice, corn, onions, soy, potatoes, mangoes, beans, olives, cotton, turtlefruit (a relative of the pineapple), sugar, and related products are Freedemia's largest agricultural resources.
:Of course! Add your name to the list. -[[User:Yuanls|Yuanls]] ([[User talk:Yuanls|talk]]) 23:06, 7 March 2017 (CET)


==== Wood and Paper Products ====
I'm not sure to what degree exactly the cooperation between members is supposed to go; I don't think it would make sense for Kojo to join a EU-like transnational projects, but if it's &quot;just&quot; a very close political alliance of fully independent member states without a common legislature, Kojo would like to apply for membership.[[User:Leowezy|Leowezy]] ([[User talk:Leowezy|talk]]) 18:04, 19 March 2017 (CET)
Freedemia is known in part for its massive forests and wood quality. The availability of wood resources has led to somewhat of a woodcraft culture for furniture and wooden instruments while fueling many related industries like paper products.  
:Kojo is welcome to join, just add yourself to the list. On the subject of organisation, it does not appear to be as tightly bound as the EU is in real life. Look at [[talk:Eastern Ulethan Organisation of Independent Allies#organisation]] for more information. It appears to be a mostly economic union, although it has not been updated for quite a while now. I'm certain that we could clarify this if it was discussed. [[User:Yuanls|Yuanls]] ([[User talk:Yuanls|talk]]) 19:36, 19 March 2017 (CET)
::Welcome Kojo!--[[User:Mstr|Mstr]] ([[User talk:Mstr|talk]]) 21:17, 19 March 2017 (CET)
:::Welcome aboard! One of the reasons Mauretia is involved is because it is a loose organization. That greatly appeals to me, as opposed to an EU-like group. [[User:Alessa|Alessa]] ([[User talk:Alessa|talk]]) 21:55, 19 March 2017 (CET)


==== Energy ====
[[Eelanti]] would like to participate and it was invited by Mauretia. So is it okay for Eelanti to join? [[User:Eevee|Eevee]] ([[User talk:Eevee|talk]]) 16:06, 3 December 2017 (CET)
Freedemia has large natural gas reserves and has made large investments in nuclear and renewable energy production. Freedemia exports some natural gas and electric energy to surrounding countries. Historically, Freedemia was also a large exporter and user of oil for much of its modern life; however, environmental concerns in the 70s and 80s led to a somewhat large shift away from new oil drilling and towards natural gas drilling/fracking. Some continuing oil drilling still occurs as oil is still used in manufacturing processes and for automobile and airline fuel, but it is not as heavily used as an energy source today due to the shift towards hybrid vehicles and nuclear electrification.
:Welcome to the EUOIA! Feel free to add yourself to the table of involvement above and the different discussions as you see fit. &amp;mdash; [[User:Alessa|Alessa]] &lt;sub&gt;([[User_talk:Alessa|talk]])&lt;/sub&gt; 16:48, 3 December 2017 (CET)


=== Major Industries ===
[[Aressia]] can participate? --[[User:Jesus Antonio|Jesus Antonio]] ([[User talk:Jesus Antonio|talk]]) 03:25, 11 February 2018 (CET)
=== Major Businesses ===
:[[Esthyra]] would like to participate. We like an open border and some international trades. --[[User:Austinhuang|Austinhuang]] ([[User talk:Austinhuang|talk]]) 04:16, 11 February 2018 (CET)
=== Currency ===
::Esthyra is welcome to join EUOIA. Feel free to add yourself to the table of involvement above and the different discussions as you see fit. Regarding Aressia I noticed that a week after the request was made, Jesus Antonio asked admins to delete the wiki page about Aressia. Is this request still active, or perhaps for another country? -- [[User:Rasmus Rasmusson|Rasmus Rasmusson]] ([[User talk:Rasmus Rasmusson|talk]]) 13:56, 4 March 2018 (CET)
[[File:FreedemianFreedinBills.png|thumb|right|The designs of the main freedin denominations. Unlike some other currencies, rather than each bill having a historical figure, each bill is themed after national symbols and values of Freedemia.]]
:::It's [[Garzibania]] now. I'll ask him about his participation. --[[User:Austinhuang|Austinhuang]] ([[User talk:Austinhuang|talk]]) 18:26, 4 March 2018 (CET)
[[File:FreedemianCoins.png|thumb|right|The designs of Freedemian cent coins. Originally known as centavos, the name was shorted to cents to appease former-Ingerish who were opposed to retaining the Castellanese term.]]
:::: Yes, i like to join --[[User:Jesus Antonio|Jesus Antonio]] ([[User talk:Jesus Antonio|talk]]) 23:16, 12 March 2018 (CET) '''GARZIBANIA'S PARTICIPATION UNCONFIRMED AS OF 4 AUGUST 2018'''
Freedemia's primary official currency is the '''Freedemian freedin''' (symbol FĐ, code FRD). Banknotes come in FƉ1, FƉ5, FƉ10, FƉ25, FƉ50, and FƉ100 bills. The freedin also breaks down into 100 cents (symbol F¢), originally called centavos but changed to cents due to Ingerisation. Due to the fact that there is no longer a one-cent coin, as it was discontinued in the 1990s, prices in Freedemia round up to the nearest 5 cents and coins come in F¢5, F¢10, F¢20, and F¢50 denominations.


==== Etymology ====
The small, and frankly underdeveloped [[Arcantonie]] would like to be able to join the EUOIA. This is due to my wishing to broaden economic horizons with other neighbours, however due to Arcan canon the country has been historically isolated as a result of numerous pseudo-civil wars and authoritarian rule. If I were to become a member, it will have probably only been recently eg) post-2000 due to internal politics. --[[User:Jake Knight|Jake Knight]] ([[User talk:Jake Knight|talk]]) 10:29, 14 June 2018 (GMT)
The freedin is the successor to the colonial Redimidan dinero, which was used heavily in the Castellanese regions during colonial times. The Redimidan dinero originally matched the Castellanese peso, with 1 dinero equal to 8 reales. However, economic shock from growing competition with the Ingerish taller and relative disconnection from the other Castellanese colonies led to a shift to 1 dinero equalling 10 reales in 1632. Eventually, reales began to be split into ten centavos, leading to a 1 dinero/10 reales/100 centavos system. The simplicity of the system compared to the complexity of the Ingerish taller became popular across Ingerish Reedemia in the coming decades, and the Redimidan dinero was slowly adapted as the Reedemian dinero across Ingerish Reedemia around 1650.  
::Hi, Jake. Sorry I just now saw this request when looking up something on this page. I've added your country to the list! Be sure to fill out how your country fits into the organization using the table above. If you need help with it, don't hesitate to ask. &amp;mdash; [[User:Alessa|Alessa]] &lt;sub&gt;([[User_talk:Alessa|talk]])&lt;/sub&gt; 20:16, 3 July 2018 (CEST)


The name "freedin" came from the abbreviation of "Free Reedemian Dinero" when creating a new version of the currency specifically for the newly independent Freedemia. "Freedin" and "cents" were also more acceptable names to many of the former-Ingerish (who didn't see the currency name being in Castellanese favorably) than "dinero" and "centavo".
===New discussion on the proposal (if any)===
Mauretia affirms the actions and resolutions of the right and honorable dignitary from Wyster and would like under these circumstances to be a founding member '''(FM)'''. It is in agreement that a parliament is not needed at this time and applauds the ideas put forth. Mauretia respectfully submits the possibility, given the generally peaceful nature of our planet, that one possible motivation behind the EUOIA founding was a peaceful collaborative effort as added above. :) &amp;mdash; [[User:Alessa|Alessa]] &lt;sub&gt;([[User_talk:Alessa|talk]])&lt;/sub&gt; 19:59, 5 July 2017 (CEST)


==== Imagery ====
I believe that the two BoG members from each country shouldn't be its leader but some elected &quot;ambassadors&quot;, for instance like in the UN.
Rather than showing important political or historic figures, imagery on freedin banknotes focus on a series of national symbols, such as the cantuta or blue headed parakeet, or values of the country, such as family, technological advancement, unity among diversity, and ethics. The coins largely just show the monetary value and occasionally imagery of the Freedemian flag or the Freedemian star, with the exception of the F¢50 coin that has a picture of "The Matriarch" President Algenia Dreyser.
I'm also siding the BoG will meet, like Alessa said, every other month or even once a month, and that's exactly why I think the leaders shouldn't be in the BoG. The leaders are swamped with governing their country as they can't do this too. With elected ambassadors, this is their only concern and it looks more realistic.
with my idea of the BoG, it also needs a speaker, which should be the second most important individual in EUOIA, after the secretary general and the BoG should sit in a permanent place, maybe like Alessa said, in the Secretariat. I think the building Mstr have already mapped can be this building.
About the parliament, I agree it's not necessary at the moment. maybe somewhere in the future.
About the history, until we won't have an organized timeline we'll stay right where we are so I think that 1962 should be the year and every country will adjust it's history around it, otherwise nothing will happened. [[User:Ifgus|Ifgus]] ([[User_talk:Ifgus|talk]]) 01:51, 23 July 2017 (EEST)
:I agree with most of this, except the parmanent place: a rotating system would give the member states the opportunity to &quot;show off&quot; to each other (e.g. present their most modern, most idyllic, most historical meeting locations), so that's why I find that option more attractive. I agree however that this will become too chaotic if meetings are held every two months (what will they talk about btw?) so in that case a host country could be proposed for the duration of six months (like the European Union has); this could e.g. be the native country of the BoG speaker. -- [[User:Rasmus Rasmusson|Rasmus Rasmusson]] ([[User talk:Rasmus Rasmusson|talk]]) 01:25, 23 July 2017 (CEST)
::I see your point and I agree [[User:Ifgus|Ifgus]] ([[User_talk:Ifgus|talk]]) 15:14, 23 July 2017 (EEST)


==== Monetary Value ====
I think it's tine to vote and decide about the year (unless 1962 had been already chosen) and reason of establishment. I'm currently trying to build Eshein's history and the organization is a big part of it (at least I want it to be) so I think it's time to determine the history of the EUOIA, maybe a simple timeline? --[[User:Ifgus|Ifgus]] ([[User_talk:Ifgus|talk]]) 01:22, 20 September 2017 (EEST)
1 FRD fluctuates around an average equivalent of 0.932 USD, making the freedin one of the stronger currencies in the region.
:For me 1962 is OK, unless there are better suggestions. What kind of major events (if any at all, apart from new members joining) will have taken place since EUOIA's creation? -- [[User:Rasmus Rasmusson|Rasmus Rasmusson]] ([[User talk:Rasmus Rasmusson|talk]]) 08:54, 20 September 2017 (CEST)
::I am also okay with 1962, but why did it form? For me, that's the determiner of the year. There seems to be the largest number of founding members if it had been a peaceful streamlining of existing treaties. Here's why I like this idea and the date of 1962: This year serves as an almost midway point between the last major global war and the present but is still in the aftermath of the conflict; countries are going to have their own complicated nexus of treaties and agreements, and the Glaster situation seems to still be very raw. Various eastern Ulethan states are going to be motivated to work together at this time. The EUOIA, if ratified and started in 1962, would be a logical consolidation of these treaties (hence, the tiered, multi-level membership) and done in the spirit of cooperation needed to form such an organization. This frees up users to have whatever treaties they would want with other EUOIA states before 1962. For example, Mauretia and Raiden already had a non-aggression pact and other cooperative efforts. Let's say that Eshein, Mergany, and Teberia were apart of that; then, this five-country treaty easily becomes a cornerstone of the EUOIA non-aggression treaty. Anyway, I'm all in for the 1962 and the peaceful cooperative reason for formation. In honor of the first edit on OGF, I'll have Mauretia's official ratification date be 25 November 1962. &amp;mdash; [[User:Alessa|Alessa]] &lt;sub&gt;([[User_talk:Alessa|talk]])&lt;/sub&gt; 15:37, 20 September 2017 (CEST)
::I think 1952 is a sensible year to choose, and Alessa has explained it well. Although this does not affect either Glaster or Agarderia, as they joined later.
:::Eshein took a part in the war, fighting with Ingeland, therefor it probably needed help recovering from the war. I think the EUOIA may was that help, besides the non-aggression pact, the organization could start as a joint effort of the 5 founding members to help each other recover from the war?  [[User:Ifgus|Ifgus]] ([[User_talk:Ifgus|talk]]) 12:38, 21 September 2017 (EEST)


The freedin is pegged to the Tarephian tare (symbol ※, code TAR), a currency used by several Tarephia Cooperation Council nations and also widely accepted in Freedemia. 1 FRD is equivalent to 1.10 TAR, making conversions simple. In addition, most banks and ATMs throughout the country make currency exchange between the freedin and tare easy.
===Old discussion===
====Currency====
I think all member states need to share a Currency and a license plate, much like the EU.
--[[User:Ifgus|Ifgus]] ([[User talk:Ifgus|talk]]) 17:00, 19 march 2017
:I think not. The EUOIA appears to abide by a far looser system than the current EU. However, this information is very outdated and will have to require further discussion. [[User:Yuanls|Yuanls]] ([[User talk:Yuanls|talk]]) 19:41, 19 March 2017 (CET)
::I agree. Any restriction concerning national independency will limit the progress. But I think it does not mean that there must not be a common currency etc. In the case that several contries see it as a benefit (because they are not interested in the effort to have their own currency) they can collaborate of course. There are many issues that are too large for a single nation to handle.--[[User:Mstr|Mstr]] ([[User talk:Mstr|talk]]) 21:16, 19 March 2017 (CET)
:::I also agree with Yuanls. One of the thing that appeals most to me (and some other users) about the EUOIA is the fact that countries do not have to fork over sovereignty. I know that Mauretia would never agree to a monetary union or a few other things below. From its perspective, the country is a bit too Ulethoskeptic. If you wanted a currency union with some other member states, I'd encourage it. [[Latina Pound|A few countries in Tarephia]] have already done so. Check the area below: there are some countries that are open to it. [[User:Alessa|Alessa]] ([[User talk:Alessa|talk]]) 23:29, 20 March 2017 (CET)
::::you should read this http://www.pamojaeducation.com/course-companion/economics-eText/higher_level/module4_hl/page_29.htm
::::There are many advantages of a shared currency and not just the matter of putting effort in my own currency. I already have one. And if you are still against it, I thunk the rest of the organization's structure should be like EU, a parliament that gets it's power from the governments of the member States. [[User:ifgus|ifgus]] ([[User talk:ifgus|talk]]) 02:27, 21 March 2017 (EET)
:::::Thank you for the link. I can only speak for myself here; but when I started Mauretia, I actually considered this very issue and weighed it carefully. It was part of a series of questions I asked myself about how advanced the country would be, its industries, how its economy would mix with others, etc. With regards to having the EUOIA be like the EU, I and many other users would respectfully disagree. That type of external control is not many of us want. Now, if you mean that the EUOIA has a parliament like the EU does, I think that's a great discussion. Is there some type of decision-making entity? Maybe it would be a council of ambassadors or a rotating semiannual summit? Personally, I'd like to see the EUOIA find its own way and not be modeled off of anything real-world. Perhaps others agree or disagree. I'd be interested to see what people say. [[User:Alessa|Alessa]] ([[User talk:Alessa|talk]]) 03:09, 21 March 2017 (CET)


==== Future One Freedin Coin ====
====Purpose====
The Central Bank of Free Reedemia and the national government are planning to phase out the one freedin banknote in coming years in favor of a one freedin coin. Part of the reasoning for the change is so the coins can remain in circulation longer than the existing banknotes. The proposed FĐ1 coin would have the same family imagery currently on the banknote, but modified to fit a bimetal coin with a layout similar to the current half-freedin coin. The proposal is not entirely popular among Freedemians, many of whom have made complaints saying they already have to carry enough coins as it is, but is likely to go through anyway, with the first coins slated to be minted in 2023. The banknotes will remain in circulation and will continue being accepted during the transition.
What should be this organisation's purpose?
:Maybe as a counterweight against a powerful, aggressive country? When (or if) I finish Glaster, I am going to try and claim either UL085, UL070B, UL175 or some small island country. Perhaps we should advertise this in the diary section of OGF. --[[User:Yuanls|Yuanls]] ([[User talk:Yuanls|talk]]) 21:42, 9 January 2016 (GMT)
::Country owners helping country owners with expert advice? ([https://www.homehardware.ca/en/index/corporate.htm Origin]) --[[User:Austinhuang|Austinhuang]] ([[User talk:Austinhuang|talk]]) 22:32, 10 March 2018 (CET)


== Government and Politics ==
====History====
{{See also|Government of Freedemia}}
Is EUOIA founded now, or was it founded somewhere in the past? If the latter; what has happened since?
{{Infobox government
| name = Free Reedemia
| government_type = Constitutional Presidential Republic
| capital = Quentinsburgh
| title1 = President
| hos1 = Angela Rosenthal
| title2 = Vice President
| hos2 = Patrick Houser
| title3 = Executive Whip & Vice Executive Whip
| hos3 = Katherine Nelzer, Lily Mae Clarington
| title4 = Vice Executive Whip
| hos4 = Lily Mae Clarington
| legislature = National Legislature
| upper_house = House of Populus
| upper_house_diagram = Freedemian Legislature Upper House.png
| lower_house = House of Equal Representation<br>House of Referenda
| lower_house_diagram = Freedemian Legislature Lower House.png
| judiciary = National Court
| political_parties = No official political parties.<br>'''Main ideological factions:'''<br>{{legend|#cc0000|Center-Left Authoritarians}} {{legend|#9b59b6|Left Soc Libertarians}} {{legend|#2986CC|Conservative Protectionists}} {{legend|#000000|Far-Right Nationalists}}
| international_orgs = TCC, Ingerish Commonwealth, AN
}}The '''executive branch''' is headed by the President and Vice President and includes an administration of various advisory positions. The president has the power to veto laws sent to them, though the legislature can override. They are also generally seen as the head of state. Unlike most other countries with a presidential system, the runner up candidate and running mate of each presidential election become Executive Whip and Vice Executive Whip, positions within the administration where they play an advisory role to the president and try to work with them on certain ideas. The Executive Whip is also the 3rd in line for the presidency behind the Vice President, with the Vice Executive Whip 4th in line. The idea behind the Executive Whips is to ensure that candidates with reasonably different ideas are made to work together on a solution that's more problem-solution focused than strictly partisan or ideological, and that candidates coming from different perspectives can help ensure that problems the President and Vice President may not see are brought to light.


Freedemia's '''legislature''' is tricameral, consisting of the House of Poplators, an upper house where representatives are based on population, the House of Equal Representation, a lower house where each state gets an equal number, and the House of Referenda, which decides whether legislative-introduced bills need to be approved by the public by referendum to become law and oversee referendas initiated by the public, getting them to ballot or voting them down. The legislature makes federal laws, and has the ability to override a presidential veto with enough support. The legislature is located in the old [https://opengeofiction.net/#map=18/-21.13919/28.51688&layers=B Parliament Building] at the western end of the Capitol Mall in Quentinsburgh.
:Well if it's an alliance headed by Wyster, Glaster (or historically North Glaster) would probably have been involved in it as well. There was a bout of hostility between Ingerland and North Glaster in the 1960s, but I haven't yet explained why. Perhaps this has something to do with it?--[[User:Yuanls|Yuanls]] ([[User talk:Yuanls|talk]]) 15:50, 9 January 2016 (GMT)
::I think The Organization founding time should be somewhere around the [[OGF/sandbox/World War|world war]]. It's always a time when organizations like EUOIA are created. Maby EUOIA Fought as one body? or perhaps is was founded as a result of the war, for the &quot;next time&quot;?--[[User:Ifgus|Ifgus]] ([[User talk:Ifgus|talk]]) 22:55, 27 March 2017 (EEST)
:::I would not believe this would be quite possible for Agarderia and Glaster. They were heavily supported by both Ingerland and Commonia. Both North Glaster and Agarderia fell to communism after the war. There is also the question of what nation(s) the theoretical alliance fought against. Commonia? UL099? Each other? Many of these questions will require further discussion. Providing that the only power that had significant interests in Eastern Uletha at this time was Commonia, and they were absolutely destroyed following the World War, I do not think your option is quite feasible. Perhaps Eastern Uletha came together afterwards as a sign of unity. Or perhaps their alliance was a part of a preexisting prewar anti-Commonian agreement. [[User:Yuanls|Yuanls]] ([[User talk:Yuanls|talk]]) 23:41, 27 March 2017 (CEST)
::::I agree that the post-war period would likely be a good time. But, remember that most of these real-world organizations started small (both in number of countries and scope). The EU was birthed out of the limited-area ECSC (1951 Treaty of Paris). Like Agarderia and Glaster, Mauretia would not likely be a founding member of the EUOIA. I could see it joining in an initial wave of expansion, which would be before Agarderia and Glaster. Therefore, I think a rolling timeline of member countries joining (much like the EU expanding) would be a good thing. This also means that the bureaucracy and lunacy of hoops countries have to jump through would be greater in later years. At the same time, that would easily account for the varying levels of involvement we have in our supertable at the top of the page. For example, Mauretia would not have joined a customs union. It would have joined other pursuits, however. Maybe that by 1975 some of these things came into being and made it worth the effort. This could explain why Mauretia is involved in the research and sciences but not in the military aspects; most potential military ideas would have been unappealing.
::::All this to say that perhaps pinning the timeline down rigidly when there is still a fluid membership may not be the wisest. For now, I'd endorse some vague statements like &quot;the EUOIA originated out of ideas that spread at the conclusion of the last war.&quot; If you're really craving a history for the organization, perhaps something like this will serve as a starting point: ''&quot;Smaller international agreements were gradually folded into the larger organization and expanded to other potential participants. In this way, the EUOIA gradually grew from an idea of intergovernmental cooperation to a complex umbrella organization that manages and promotes many different tiers of involvement.&quot;'' Cheers. [[User:Alessa|Alessa]] ([[User talk:Alessa|talk]]) 06:02, 28 March 2017 (CEST)


Freedemia's '''judiciary,''' known as the National Court, handles major cases that involve constitutional rights as well as appeals that reach the highest level of the court system. The National Court is located in the old [https://opengeofiction.net/#map=18/-21.13992/28.52420&layers=B Royal Palace] within the Capitol Mall in Quentinsburgh across from the Executive Residence.
It's been a long time since something happened with EUOIA. I think it's time to start adding stuff to the page so the organization will begin to take shape. otherwise nothing happens.
I believe that the first thing we '''have''' to do is timeline and to discuss the exact year of establishment and exactly how the EUOIA was created?, which countries started it?
Let me know what you think.
--[[User:Ifgus|Ifgus]] ([[User talk:Ifgus|talk]]) 17:00, 6 may 2017 (eest)


This system was made to have a degree of '''checks and balances''', so that no individual branch would have too much concentrated power.  
:History is the most difficult issue, since most countries don't have a history and there is no world history. There are many inactive countries in the EUOIA region, so I hope we can get more members in the future. Maybe the EUOIA was founded because of economic reasons? or after a war? I think it is not so important yet, when and how it was founded, because it does not influence mapping. Countries should decide which role they want to play first. --[[User:Mstr|Mstr]] ([[User talk:Mstr|talk]]) 00:18, 7 May 2017 (CEST)


Freedemia, unlike many democracies, lacks a political party system, with a constitutional amendment banning parties from the political system since the early 1960s. This was largely put in place to avoid party line votes and to encourage voters and legislators to look at each candidate and policy individually. This policy has been criticized by some as rewarding name recognition and reinforcing power structures, but applauded by others for a reduction in partisanship and attraction of a diversity of individualized candidate platforms.
::For member states without a history yet, this should be easypeasy: they can just add whatever we decide concerning the international events that created the need to establish EUOIA and add their own national history around it.
::Regarding the reason why EUOIA was created, perhaps we should take the name literally: the ''Independent'' Allies suggest that there may be or may have been a not so independent organisation, e.g. a powerful (criminal?) economic organisation or ideology that somehow forced/blackmailed entire countries to adopt their system, leaving national governments powerless with democracy remaining in place only as a façade and corrupt politicians ruling the country. This system was eventually toppled by e.g. civil underground organisations and/or revolutions, after which the first 'liberated' countries founded EUOIA.
::For this we would need a) a nasty economic system, and b) countries that are willing to adopt this system - at least as a part of their history (let's say that the system was at its height between the 30's and the 60's or so, with the EUIOA being founded e.g. in the 60's).
::The advantage of having a non-territorial 'super power' is that countries themselves don't have to be the bad guys (we don't need superpower states) and we don't need to ask countries to play the bad guy role. If we define that the nasty economic system still exists, we don't need to determine which countries (obviously not member states of EUOIA) are still ruled by it; if a third player offers his country to take up that role all the better, but it's not really necessary for our purpose, I think.
::Note that introducing an international (criminal) economic organisation as the Bad Guy may cause EUOIA member states having put in place some governmental back-up systems in order to avoid that private economic organisations don't get as much power as the (criminal) economic organisation gained. This means that e.g. libertarian systems will probably be out of the question in the EUOIA member states. If you think this touches too much your liberty to develop your country as you wish, we should find an alternative for the ''economic'' part (perhaps a religious sect or something like that?). --[[User:Rasmus Rasmusson|Rasmus Rasmusson]] ([[User talk:Rasmus Rasmusson|talk]]) 14:33, 6 June 2017 (CEST)


=== Politics ===
Question about possible formats, moved from above (August 4th, 2018):
As Freedemia lacks a party system, there tends to be a bit more variety in political beliefs represented. However, there are still some main political factions that have formed. Freedemia's politics are currently dominated by '''center-left authoritarianism''', mostly exemplified by support for publicly run government programs along with support for existing bans on things like alcohol sales and drug use.  However, '''left social libertarianism''' has seen a significant rise in recent years, with more support for legalization of things like sex work and alcohol, pushes for further deregulation and public-private partnerships, and a greater focus on liberty. Both groups have a global focus, supporting regional collaboration efforts like the [[Tarephia Cooperation Council]] alongside domestic security. In contrast, '''conservative protectionism''' is very focused on domestic safety and economy over all else, with the belief that regional cooperation has done more to hurt Freedemia than help and that global connections have put the country at greater risk of conflict. Conservative protectionists are the minority, but have strong support in areas that lost the most jobs to outsourcing like [[Lawrence]] and [[Lenseter]].


=== Foreign Relations ===
The EUOIA was founded in 1962 as (choose between the following by adding your country template behind one or more of the following options, and indicate if your country would have been a founding member ('''FM''') in that scenario or joined later ('''JL''')):
[[File:FreedemianPassport.png|thumb|200px|A Freedemian passport, including the Tarephia Cooperation Council logo.|link=Special:FilePath/FreedemianPassport.png]]
* a reaction against a dominant military power with an unlikeable ideology (possibly because of a war with said power); {{Wyster}} (FM/JL), {{Mauretia}} (FM if Commonia or a few select other places, JL otherwise), {{Eshein}} (FM)
Free Reedemia has an established structure of foreign relations. While historically it had been somewhat isolationist out of pacifist tendencies and fear of war, today Freedemia is known for its regional and international collaboration. Freedemia is a founding member of the [[Tarephia Cooperation Council]], allowing free trade and visa-free travel to member nations. Freedemia is also a less active member of the [[Ingerish Commonwealth]] and a member of the Assembly of Nations.
* the successor organisation to a dismantled empire to which the founding member states belonged; {{Wyster}} (JL), {{Glaster}}[(FM), {{Mauretia}} (JL)
* a reaction against an international criminal syndicate that owned large amounts of assets in the founding member states and had a strong influence on some governments. Military insurrection ensured that the syndicate was thwarted (although it still may exist outside EUOIA) and EUOIA was created as a watch dog. {{Wyster}} (FM), {{Glaster}} (JL, FM if origin in Commonia), {{Mauretia}} (FM if non-eastern Ulethan origin, JL otherwise), {{Kojo}} (JL), {{Esthyra}} (JL)
* ''other: write your suggestion below'':
** a peaceful effort by smaller countries to streamline collaborative efforts and simplify the burden of large-scale projets {{Wyster}} (FM), {{Mauretia}} (FM), {{Kojo}} (FM), {{Eshein}} (FM), {{Justinique}} (JL), {{Esthyra}} (JL)


Freedemia has especially close partnerships with several neighboring countries in Tarephia and Antarephia, including [[Paroy]], [[Airannia|Aerágny]], [[Cabelia]], [[Geare]], and [[Mandatory Meilan]]. Countries such as [[Vodeo]], [[Allendea]], and [[Barzona]] are also close regional partners, and Freedemia has strong relationships with most other Ingerish colonies such as [[New Ingerland]]. Freedemia also has many close partners across other continents.
=====Page=====
I wrote this history paragraph. let me know what you guys think is missing or needs to be changed:
After The [[World War]], [[Eastern Uletha]] suffered a huge economic catastrophe, much like the rest of the world. The countries where struggling to become steady again, to stabilize their economy and to rebuild what was demolished.
In April 20, 1962, [[Wyster]], [[Mauretia]], [[Mergany]], [[Kojo]] and [[Eshein]] singed the [[Imperium Treaty]] which ordered the establishment of the [[Eastern Ulethan Economic Community|Eastern Ulethan Economic Support Alliance]]. The the goal of this economic organization was supporting each other economically to rebound from the catastrophe.
In January 10, 1968, during a meeting of the alliance in [[Iola]], for the fist time the nations started to think about expending the alliance to other fields such and trade, education, foreign relations, etc. but no decision was made.
In July 3, 1976, during a meeting of the alliance in [[Bad Stanncatt]], the [[Bad Stanncatt Treaty]] was singed and ordered on the expansion of the fields that the organization is responsible to and was, in fact, the beginning of the organization as it is today.


Freedemia is generally understood to aim for diplomacy and mutual understanding with most countries, even those it is not very closely allied with. While relations with countries like [[Bai]], [[Suria]], and [[Demirhan Devleti]] sometimes see tensions, collaboration still occurs frequently, and the only countries Freedemia currently does not recognize relations with at this point in time are [[Antigo]] and [[Kuehong]], both over human rights violations and militarism.
[[User:Ifgus|Ifgus]] ([[User talk:Ifgus|talk]]) 22:39, 15 June 2018 (EET)
: This is OK as far as I/Wyster am concerned. The World War hasn't been elaborated much yet though (as far as I can tell) but we can use that as a vague background reason for the time being. If it turns out that the idea of the World War doesn't really fit in EUOIA's history, we can always come up with something else. -- [[User:Rasmus Rasmusson|Rasmus Rasmusson]] ([[User talk:Rasmus Rasmusson|talk]]) 10:41, 4 August 2018 (CEST)


Partially due to the good relationship Freedemia has with most countries in addition to membership in the Tarephia Cooperation Council and Ingerish Commonwealth, Freedemia has one of the strongest passports in the world.
=====Glastian Unification=====
If the EUOIA was around at the time, what would its stance be concerning the Glastian unification of 1979? Glaster was properly recognised as an existing nation in 1982. If you want some background information, read [[Glaster]]'s wiki page. The [[Third Glastian Civil War]] page might help as well.


==== Strategic Internationalism ====
======Situation of Glaster======
Due to the strategic position along the Strait of Lyc, Freedemia is theoretically a ripe target for attack. As such, Freedemia has a fairly large and strong defense-oriented military, but does not use it as an exploratory military.  
I'd rather have a date from 1959 to 1961, maybe, for extremely convoluted historical and political reasons I will explain below. These reasons are, by all means, canon but are confined to my sandbox pages because of overwikification.   
*Commonian coup in Glaster in October 1947 results in the establishment of the Glastian Social Republic, which collapses the following month from a joint invasion by North Glaster, South Glaster, Latania, Agarderia and Communist Glaster.
*Communist Glaster now have a section of eastern Agarderia, as well as the northernmost parts of Glaster, under occupation. [[file:Glaster_Occupation.png|right|300px|thumb|Glastian occupation in red|link=Special:FilePath/Glaster_Occupation.png]]
*Following the very brief [[User:Yuanls/sandbox/Democratic_Republic_of_Agarderia#Recovery_of_Agarderia|Glastian-Agardirian War]] of 1948, Agarderia regained control of Glastian-occupied territories as a separate autonomous region. It was governed by the now-subordinate government of Communist North Glaster, which was based in Hevaney in Agarderia. 
*The Glastian government had full control of northern occupied Glaster, although Agarderian troops were present there to keep the Glastian government in line.  


The typical foreign policy stance is that Freedemia would only go to war when attacked or at very imminent threat of being attacked, and as an anti-interventionalist nation, never to initiate an attack. However, Freedemia will fight back whenever and wherever it is attacked. Freedemia does not attempt complete neutrality, and it will generally assist nations it aligns with using internationalist methods- monetary assistance, diplomatic assistance, and in select cases weapons and assistance. However, it will almost never take militaristic action against another country or in favor of another nation unless put directly at risk. One major exception is [[Geare]], as Freedemia has an agreement with Geare to provide defense services.
This takes me up to the end of my current, in-depth, historical planning. What comes next is yet to be written and involves an increase of Glastian nationalism in the early 50s, discontent of the Agarderian military presence and the eventual collapse of the Glastian occupation as a result, and a reunification with North Glaster. There was probably some tense standoff and possibly some small skirmishes between the democratic nations and the Communist-aligned nations of Karamsk, Latania and Agarderia. Neither North or South Glaster could join the EUOIA, unless Wyster was absent, as the Treaty of Mealle from 1828 banned any types of alliance between Glaster and Wyster. As a result, Glaster probably only joined the EUIOA in 1979. Sorry for all of this text, but I hope it helped form some new ideas. [[User:Yuanls|Yuanls]] ([[User talk:Yuanls|talk]]) 21:30, 5 July 2017 (CEST)
:So we can leave 1962 as it is? :) -- [[User:Rasmus Rasmusson|Rasmus Rasmusson]] ([[User talk:Rasmus Rasmusson|talk]]) 21:35, 5 July 2017 (CEST)
::My reading of that makes me think we could leave it at 1962, but discussions and initial treaties could have started as early as 1959. After all, something this big would take time to pull off. Look how long it took the EU to come together, and they had the benefit of foundational organizations already in place. &amp;mdash; [[User:Alessa|Alessa]] &lt;sub&gt;([[User_talk:Alessa|talk]])&lt;/sub&gt; 02:24, 6 July 2017 (CEST)
:::I agree. -- [[User:Rasmus Rasmusson|Rasmus Rasmusson]] ([[User talk:Rasmus Rasmusson|talk]]) 12:12, 6 July 2017 (CEST)
::::I see what you mean and agree with your point. [[User:Yuanls|Yuanls]] ([[User talk:Yuanls|talk]]) 17:27, 6 July 2017 (CEST)


== Infrastructure ==
====Organisation====
{{Infobox infrastructure
Sub-organisations, sub-committees, headquarters, office locations, leading officials, ...
| name = Freedemia
:Before creating sub-organizations, we need a decision which issues could be covered by the EUOIA. I think it will take some time until we have some more members, but if there are at least 2 or 3 nations, which want to collaborate in an issue under the head of EUOIA, they can do so and EUOIA should provide a framework for it. This should be an ongoing process to give all future members the chance to play their role within the organization (and in order to avoid such a circus like the participation in the OGFIFA World Cup). At the moment there might be a headquarter (including a parliament or not?) and embassies of the members at some place (comparable to the Assembly of Nations in St. Richards), maybe somewhere in Wyster (as the initiating country)? --[[User:Mstr|Mstr]] ([[User talk:Mstr|talk]]) 19:03, 13 February 2016 (CET)
| driving_side = Right
::I agree that the sub-organisations (sorry, yes; I prefer the spelling with -s- for aesthetic reasons (I find -z- too 'agressive') and because it's used more often in Europe) should be created only after we have decided what EUOIA does for its member states. We can create a 'wish-list' to which participants can add issues. (see below). The Wystrian capital of [[Hreawirc]] could be a sufficiently neutral location for the EUOIA Headquarters; I don't mind if it's located elswhere, as long as the choice of the location is logical), so let's see first if other participants want their countries to take part. --[[User:Rasmus Rasmusson|Rasmus Rasmusson]] ([[User talk:Rasmus Rasmusson|talk]]) 19:49, 13 February 2016 (CET)
| rail_side = Right (with exceptions)
| gauge = 1435
| electrification = Varies (usually overhead)
| mains_electricity = 230 V, 50 Hz
| telephone_code = 415
| internet_code = .fr
}}
=== Transportation ===
==== Roadways ====
==== Intercity Bus ====
==== National Rail ====
[[File:BudrianPeninsulaHSRStripMap.png|thumb|Strip map of the High Speed Rail network serving the major cities of the Budrian Peninsula  within Paroy, Freedemia, Meilan, and Beldrio.]]
Freedemia's national railways are operated by '''FreedemiRail''' (short for '''Free Reedemian Railway Group'''), a railway group consisting of three for-profit companies. '''FreedemiRail South (FRS)''' serves Freedemia's urban southwestern coast, including the large amount of services based out of Quentinsburgh, while '''FreedemiRail East (FRE)''' serves the eastern coast and services branching out of those cities. While separate in operations, on the passenger side FRS and FRE are both simply branded as FreedemiRail, acting as a mostly seamless combined network. Meanwhile, '''FreedemiRail Freight (FRF)''' operates and manages most freight within the country. 


While the companies are private and for-profit, they do receive various forms of support from the Freedemian federal government. Most initial construction of new lines is paid for by federal transportation funding, and to ensure that important but unprofitable lines are not cut by the private operators, the federal government funds and requires continued operation of certain lines under the Essential Transportation Service Act. The federal government also helps pay for track upgrades, major track maintenance, and new rolling stock.
=====What does your country want EUOIA to be/do?=====
*Joint foreign policy: Wyster?, Glaster, Mergany, Mauretia?
*Joint defense system: Mergany, Østermark, Eshein, Mauretia (but only to some degree)
*Joint humanitarian aid: Mergany, Wyster, Glaster, Østermark as long as it is the recipient of much of the aid which of course it would squander, Eshein, Mauretia
*Monetary Union: Wyster, Glaster(Maybe), Mergany (maybe)
*Open borders: Wyster?, Mergany, Eshein
*Joint legal system: Mergany (international questions), Wyster (idem), Eshein
*Economy exchange: Mergany (free access for private companies within EUOIA as far as possible), Glaster, Østermark, Mauretia (but no further than Mergany wants)
*Sustainability and environment protection: Mergany, Wyster, Glaster, Østermark would be in constant threat of being kicked out for this but I think this should definitely be a purpose, Mauretia
*Open market within EUOIA with internal market protection against non-EUOIAn markets: Wyster? Glaster


...HSR lines throughout the peninsula operated under Aterro Transport Group in partnership with FreedemiRail, Paroy National Rail, and the rail operators of Beldrio and Meilan.
:Does this duplicate with the table above? --[[User:Austinhuang|Austinhuang]] ([[User talk:Austinhuang|talk]]) 22:32, 10 March 2018 (CET)


==== Airfare ====
=====Flag=====
[[File:FreedemiAir flights Map.png|thumb|Map of international FreedemiAir flights out of QBX Airport. Additional international flights fly out of JIX.]]
First proposals for a EUOIA flag
Freedemia is home to two major international airports: [https://opengeofiction.net/#map=14/-21.1472/28.6275&layers=B|'''Quentinsburgh Sean Bond International Airport (QBX)'''], the nation's main gateway, and [https://opengeofiction.net/#map=14/-23.9144/32.7273&layers=B|'''Jhuandan International Airport (JIX)'''] serving Jhuandan and parts of the east. Several smaller regional and domestic airports exist in other cities throughout the country, but all foreign carriers fly into Sean Bond Intl. Airport or Jhuandan Intl. Airport.
[[File:EUOIA Flag proposal.png|600px|center|Flag proposal|link=Special:FilePath/EUOIA_Flag_proposal.png]]
this proposal includes:
* 13 yellow/gold rings arranged in a ring (rings symbolize closeness/solidarity, 13 symbolizes ?, gold symbolizes wealth)
* rising sun (symbolizes the east)
* blue and white/grey color (blue for confidence, grey for wisdom or white for peace)
--[[User:Mstr|Mstr]] ([[User talk:Mstr|talk]]) 04:53, 21 February 2016 (CET)
:Nice! Between these four I'd go for the gold rings + white sun version, as the white stands out better against the blue I think. --[[User:Rasmus Rasmusson|Rasmus Rasmusson]] ([[User talk:Rasmus Rasmusson|talk]]) 09:45, 21 February 2016 (CET)
:: Here a revised version of it [[File:EUOIA Flag proposal2.png|300px|center|Flag proposal|link=Special:FilePath/EUOIA_Flag_proposal2.png]] --[[User:Mstr|Mstr]] ([[User talk:Mstr|talk]]) 00:14, 27 February 2016 (CET)


FreedemiAir and AirAdarir are the largest airlines operating within Freedemia, though there are a few much smaller locally owned airlines that fly to some of the smaller airports. '''FreedemiAir''' is the nation's primary carrier serving domestic, regional, and intercontinental flights, and a member of the OneSky alliance. The much smaller '''AirAdarir''' is a low-cost carrier that competes with FreedemiAir on most domestic and some regional routes, a member of Geoalliance.
=====Structure=====
I added some notes on the main EUOIA page about EUOIA's structure: Board of Governors, Secretariat, Parliament?, with the latter containing a question mark, as I think that a parliament should be created only if EUOIA will affect the member states' citizens' lives directly (e.g. deciding if they can buy plastic bags, what medications are supposed to be healthy, etc.), i.e. when EUOIA turns out to become really influential; but feel free to differ of opinion on this one :) --[[User:Rasmus Rasmusson|Rasmus Rasmusson]] ([[User talk:Rasmus Rasmusson|talk]]) 10:22, 21 February 2016 (CET)


With recent construction of the high-speed rail lines, the Freedemian government has begun encouraging domestic travelers to take the train rather than fly wherever feasible to reach environmental goals. As such, the domestic flight sector is expected to decline between coastal cities. However, the topography of the country makes most routes beyond the coasts suboptimal for high-speed rail, and flying is expected to remain a large part of Freedemian travel.
=====Foreign affairs=====
What do you think about EUOIAn embassies in small countries on other continents instead of every country building its own? --[[User:Mstr|Mstr]] ([[User talk:Mstr|talk]]) 23:23, 27 May 2016 (CEST)
:That could be practical. I'm not against that idea. --[[User:Rasmus Rasmusson|Rasmus Rasmusson]] ([[User talk:Rasmus Rasmusson|talk]]) 09:12, 28 May 2016 (CEST)
::I agree with the new idea. [[User:BelpheniaProject|BelpheniaProject]] ([[User talk:BelpheniaProject|talk]]) 10:58, 28 May 2016 (CEST)
:::totally for it.[[User:ifgus|ifgus]] ([[User talk:ifgus|talk]]) 22:29, 20 march 2017 (EET)


==== Public Transportation ====
=====Board of Governors, Secretariat and Parliament? Any more?=====
==== Cycling ====
Was there any decision concerning different organisations within EUOIA? What do we need? Here are some of my ideas, please comment, complete,...
*Board of Governors, '''[[Wyster]]''' {{MER-coordinates | zoom = 17 | latitude = 51.97108 | longitude = 129.99704}} '''Building NEEDED? See discussion below'''
*Secretariat, '''[[Viljanni]]''' {{MER-coordinates | zoom = 18 | latitude = 43.76048 | longitude = 130.15745}}  &lt;big&gt;'''(?)'''&lt;/big&gt;
*Defense Association, '''[[Eshein]]''' {{MER-coordinates | zoom = 17 | latitude = 43.32081 | longitude = 129.37818}}
*Economic Community, '''[[Mergany]]''' {{MER-coordinates | zoom = 17 | latitude = 47.14454 | longitude = 131.36806}}
**[[Aerotheon Group]], [[Belphenia]] (common industrial project, not directly connected to EUOIA)
*Space Agency '''[[Viljanni]]''' {{MER-coordinates | zoom = 17 | latitude = 43.8273 | longitude = 130.4136}} '''NEEDED? See discussion below'''
**different department in other countries possible (mission planing, control, ...) who wants to participate?
*Foreign Affairs (e.g. common representatives in smaller countries on other continents)
*Court of Justice, [[Eshein]]?
*Central Bank ? '''NEEDED? See discussion below'''
*Transport Network? '''NEEDED? See discussion below'''
*Scientific committee ?
**different projects possible
*Medical and Health Organization, '''[[Mauretia]]''' {{MER-coordinates | zoom = 18 | latitude = 43.52203 | longitude = 135.57141}}
*Free Trade Association ?
*(Atomic) Energy Community ?
--[[User:Mstr|Mstr]] ([[User talk:Mstr|talk]]) 21:54, 19 March 2017 (CET)
: See below for more discussion: the necessity of some of the mentioned organisations depends on how deeply integrated EUOIA will be. E.g. a parliament, a space agency, perhaps even a central bank don't really seem necessary unless EUOIA will be some kind of European Union. Also I see that I mapped a building for the Board of Governors, but as these are the government leaders of each country who will probably meet only once or twice a year, a separate building just for that seems unnecessary. --[[User:Rasmus Rasmusson|Rasmus Rasmusson]] ([[User talk:Rasmus Rasmusson|talk]]) 17:41, 5 July 2017 (CEST)


== Culture ==
======Board of Governors======
{{See also|Culture of Freedemia}}
Under [[Eastern Ulethan Organisation of Independent Allies#The Board of Governors|Organisation]] is written: &quot;''The Board of Governors (BoG) is the highest governing level of EUOIA and consists of the government leaders of the member states''&quot;. However, below that line it is stated in the table that each member states has two seats in the Board of Governors. Since most countries have only one government leader, who is the second person? --[[User:Rasmus Rasmusson|Rasmus Rasmusson]] ([[User talk:Rasmus Rasmusson|talk]]) 13:29, 5 July 2017 (CEST)
=== Religion in Culture ===
:I might be wrong, but I take it to mean that there are two government officials from each country. Whether or not that is the prime minister/president/monarch/etc. is up to the country. At least, that's how I take it. Maybe I'm wrong here. &amp;mdash; [[User:Alessa|Alessa]] &lt;sub&gt;([[User_talk:Alessa|talk]])&lt;/sub&gt; 16:56, 5 July 2017 (CEST)
=== Music ===
:: That could be a possibility.. In the case of Wyster it would probably be the prime minister and the minister of foreign affairs. But I'm curious after other possibilities! --[[User:Rasmus Rasmusson|Rasmus Rasmusson]] ([[User talk:Rasmus Rasmusson|talk]]) 17:31, 5 July 2017 (CEST)
Freedemia has a rich heritage in music
:::If this is the case, Mauretia could choose two people from a myriad of options. Here's ten that I thought of just off the top of my head: (1) Cabinet foreign affairs minister; (2) Parliamentarian chair of foreign affairs committee; (3) Permanent unelected envoy (not ambassador level) from the queen; (4) Permanent elected envoy from the queen; (5) A new ambassador to the EUOIA; (6) A sitting ambassador to another EUOIA country (like Viljanni, since that's where the BoG meets); (7) Princess Nura or current heir to the throne; (8) Prime minister; (9) Queen Gabriela herself (doubtful); (10) Some random guy named Yos (Joe)&amp;hellip; a lot of possibilities. &amp;mdash; [[User:Alessa|Alessa]] &lt;sub&gt;([[User_talk:Alessa|talk]])&lt;/sub&gt; 17:48, 5 July 2017 (CEST)
::::I see your point. In that case it is maybe better to have each member state appoint two random diplomats for its two BoG seats.&lt;br&gt;Btw the BoG doesn't meet in Viljanni; that was the proposed location for the parliament. Wyster was the proposed location for the BoG, but as discussed below two to six meetings per year don't really require a special building for that. They can organise their meetings in a different member state each time. -- [[User:Rasmus Rasmusson|Rasmus Rasmusson]] ([[User talk:Rasmus Rasmusson|talk]]) 17:53, 5 July 2017 (CEST)
:::::Ah, yes. Thank you for the correction. I was mistaken on which one was the BoG. I agree that a special building really isn't needed then with that few meetings. If there were to be a single, centralized location, it could just be a meeting space in the same building as the Secretariat. That way it's one building. But, I like the idea of rotating meetings! That shares responsibility, travel, etc. among all member countries. Let's add that to the list of clear, concise ideas you propose below. &amp;mdash; [[User:Alessa|Alessa]] &lt;sub&gt;([[User_talk:Alessa|talk]])&lt;/sub&gt; 18:09, 5 July 2017 (CEST)


==== Marches ====
======President, Secretary General======
Despite its pacifist culture and not having an exploratory military, patriotic military-style marches are significant parts of Freedemia's music history, being extremely popular in the late 1800s and early 1900s and remaining popular to current day as patriotic celebrations of Freedemia. Much of the march trend was driven by composer [[Oliver Newcom]], known as Freedemia's "Master of Marches", known for compositions such as [https://drive.google.com/file/d/1CweYUOKv2nbo0a5FPFQ2Gd13bgUSxJxb/view?usp=sharing "Bells of Democracy"], [https://drive.google.com/file/d/1BjxAtK_KhNbdah2YTPkiEJm2NfLBmwlb/view?usp=sharing "The Matriarch"], and the [https://drive.google.com/file/d/1CVHzF9pedL1MixkRixW5MPSgJo3NX-z6/view?usp=sharing "Service Guard March"]. Several places have been named in his honor, such as [https://opengeofiction.net/#map=18/-21.13187/28.51034&layers=B Newcom Streete] outside the Freedemian Institute of Music in Quentinsburgh.
In the info table at the top on the right a President of EUOIA is mentioned; where does this function fit in the organisation? Could (s)he be the president of the Board of Governors? How is (s)he appointed?&lt;br&gt;
The name of the Secretary General is also mentioned already; under [[Eastern Ulethan Organisation of Independent Allies#The Secretariat|The Secretariat]] is written &quot;''The Secretariat is responsible for the daily management of EUOIA and is headed by the Secretary General, who is nominated by one of the member states according to a rotating system but who has to be confirmed by the BoG. The Secretary General serves one term of 5 years.''&quot; In order for the SecGens (including the present one) to be known, we should know when EUOIA was founded and what the rotating system will be.--[[User:Rasmus Rasmusson|Rasmus Rasmusson]] ([[User talk:Rasmus Rasmusson|talk]]) 13:44, 5 July 2017 (CEST)
:I'm also confused as to how these fit in also. I feel like we've just (hurriedly) copied an EU-like model instead of going through the hard process of figuring out our own system. For example, I'm very concerned about why there is ''both'' a BoG and a parliament. Considering we have a flexible and rolling membership, I don't see what roles these would have. For example, let's assume that the president is really the figurehead of the BoG. I do think having a point person be the leader of the BoG could be a good idea, but it won't always work right. Why would a president from Agarderia be willing to lead discussions, speak with other nations, and craft resolutions for the EUDC when Agarderia isn't even a participant in that part of the organization? Mauretia would be needed for things relevant to non-aggression, so why would other countries want its votes tipping the scales in other EUDC discussions? With a decentralized system, having a single strong, outspoken president is not going to fit this model. What about the Secretariat? What role would that even serve? The same goes for parliament. To me parliament seems useless and an overreach into sovereignty, to be honest. Are there any ideas of how we might make something more creative and fitting to our different membership levels? &amp;mdash; [[User:Alessa|Alessa]] &lt;sub&gt;([[User_talk:Alessa|talk]])&lt;/sub&gt; 16:56, 5 July 2017 (CEST)
::I agree with most of this; a parliament isn't necessary until a deep political integration of the member states is wanted by the member states - which doesn't seem the case at the moment. &lt;br&gt;The same for a president - as head of the BoG or in another form: I have the impression that this function will be exactly the same as that of the Secretary General, so I propose that we remove it. &lt;br&gt;Technically speaking the BoG doesn't need a fixed president; it convenes probably just once or twice a year for policy making, adopting resolutions etc., so they can appoint a president of each meeting at those moments. &lt;br&gt;The Secretariat however is the daily organisation of EUOIA: it has mostly administrative tasks and doesn't make policies (that is the BoG's task), but the Secretary General is EUOIA's face to the world. --[[User:Rasmus Rasmusson|Rasmus Rasmusson]] ([[User talk:Rasmus Rasmusson|talk]]) 17:28, 5 July 2017 (CEST)
:::That makes sense, Rasmus. I think the BoG is sufficient too. I also really like your idea of a president that can be a figurehead on a meeting-to-meeting basis. In reality, the &quot;president&quot; is just the person who governs the meetings. That seems logical. I'd imagine that without a parliament that met regularly, the BoG would want to meet a little more than twice a year. There may not be a lot of integration between the countries, but not a lot gets done in just two meetings. Maybe every other month? That would be six meetings a year. I'd imagine emergency meetings could be called as needed. As for the Secretary General, I agree about the duplication and support removing it unless it is the head of the Secretariat. It seems needless. Also, thanks for clearing up the Secretariat for me. I still wonder, however, if a Secretary General from one country can really be a good face-to-the-world if it's not representing all aspects of the EUOIA. Maybe they can. Maybe I just don't trust politicians. :) &amp;mdash; [[User:Alessa|Alessa]] &lt;sub&gt;([[User_talk:Alessa|talk]])&lt;/sub&gt; 17:37, 5 July 2017 (CEST)
::::The president of BoG would be the one who chairs the meetings; probably he or she is appointed at the start of every meeting, so he or she is not someone who can be the 'face' of EUOIA. That's why I prefer to keep the Secretary General for that. A Secretary General's foremost task is to represent EUOIA by the way, and not his or her country of origin, so it doesn't really matter if his or her country of origin doesn't participate in all aspects of the EUOIA. The table at the top of this page suggests that it will be really difficult to find countries that participate in ''all'' aspects anyway :) -- [[User:Rasmus Rasmusson|Rasmus Rasmusson]] ([[User talk:Rasmus Rasmusson|talk]]) 17:45, 5 July 2017 (CEST)
:::::Good thinking, Rasmus. I like this a lot. I'm curious to see what others think about it. It's logical and fits our flexible needs. Of course, we'd have to figure out how the EUOIA Secretary General is decided, how long a term is, when members joined etc. That brings us back to your original questions. Sorry for the round-about, but we've had a good discussion! :) &amp;mdash; [[User:Alessa|Alessa]] &lt;sub&gt;([[User_talk:Alessa|talk]])&lt;/sub&gt; 17:52, 5 July 2017 (CEST)
::::::Thanks, I've had [http://dulminis.nl/fict/ some experience] with fictional organisations in the past :) &lt;br&gt;Seeing as there is a lot of confused information on this page and on the main site, I will see if I can summarise it in something that is better readable with some clear propositions; I've still a few holiday days left :) -- [[User:Rasmus Rasmusson|Rasmus Rasmusson]] ([[User talk:Rasmus Rasmusson|talk]]) 17:58, 5 July 2017 (CEST)
:::::::Great, Rasmus. If you're willing to pull all the bureaucratic items together into something small, go for it. Let me know if you need me to do anything. &amp;mdash; [[User:Alessa|Alessa]] &lt;sub&gt;([[User_talk:Alessa|talk]])&lt;/sub&gt; 18:10, 5 July 2017 (CEST)</text>
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File:TheMatriarchCover.png|Historic sheet music cover for "The Matriarch".
==What is the status of EUOIA?==
File:Cayetano Silva.JPG|Oliver Newcom, Freedemian composer known as "Master of Marches".
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In the old wiki, we had [https://old.opengeofiction.wiki/index.php/Eastern_Ulethan_Organisation_of_Independent_Allies EUOIA]. Now that the old wiki is going, I'm wondering what is the status of EUOIA? Will it still be a thing? There seems to be very few mentions of it in the current wiki and of course most of the old information will be gone soon so even if it still shows on the map somewhere, there's very little information around. {{Unsigned|Eevee}}
:Honestly, I'm not sure how much interest there is in the EUOIA at this point in time. Perhaps there is some?
:If there is interest in the EUOIA, there are two options that are possible for active regional collaborations: A collab page can be made (such as Collab:Eastern Ulethan Organisation of Independent Allies that is for regional collaboration, discussion, and coordination; also, if there is a desire for an in-universe article, the EUOIA page can be made in the main namespace. We only ask that EUOIA article (not collab page) be reserved for in-universe and on-map documentation like an encyclopedia entry; user-to-user coordination and collaboration should be in a collab page. Feel free to ask me directly if you have other questions. &mdash; [[User:Alessa|Alessa]] <sub>([[User talk:Alessa|talk]])</sub> 21:52, 21 February 2022 (UTC)


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:Izaland would be now interested in an active role in EUOIA now, since in the meantime I have been mapping it significantly, and probably Izaland would also be the major economy in Eastern Uletha. (by Izaland - 10:41 JST 21 February 2022 [sorry, I don't know how to use the signature in the wiki])
|+ style="white-space:nowrap; border:1px solid; padding:3px;" | Marches composed by Oliver Newcom
::Eelanti is still interested in EUOIA as well and could have some role in it too. So I guess if there are a few others it could still be a thing. I'm not sure how to reach other people best to see if there is interest. (Signature is <nowiki>"~~~~"</nowiki> btw) &mdash; [[User:Eevee|Eevee]] ([[User talk:Eevee|talk]]) 01:52, 22 February 2022 (UTC)
!Title
:::I can't think of any major influence on my mapping that came from being part of EUOIA; so unless that changes, i.e. by having communal military bases or hosting foreign ones, a common nomenclature for nature reserves (like EU's FFH) or what not, the EUOIA would for the most part still be a wiki-sided project with few reflections on the actual map. That doesn't mean Kojo wouldn't be part of a new EUOIA, but I'd personally prefer if we thought about the mapping-side of things first.[[User:Leowezy|Leowezy]] ([[User talk:Leowezy|talk]]) 09:06, 22 February 2022 (UTC)
!Year
::::It definitely should be visible on the map. But that does require some collaboration first. The EU for example has many different office buildings in different countries. As an example, [https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/693471310#map=19/60.15838/24.93245 the European Chemicals Agency in Helsinki]. So it definitely could include many map based things in addition to potential parliament buildings, courts, EUOIA embassies etc. But that would be for the community to decide. The old EUOIA had some suborganisations, but we probably would need an active core to EUOIA to get the basic stuff decided, so that it could be mapped as well. &mdash; [[User:Eevee|Eevee]] ([[User talk:Eevee|talk]]) 20:41, 22 February 2022 (UTC)
!Audio
::::: For what it's worth, my country, Kara, would be interested in a EUOIA although it wasn't a member before (it didn't exist 😉) [[User:Anonymous21|Anonymous21]] ([[User talk:Anonymous21|talk]]) 14:41, 10 March 2022 (UTC)
!Notes
:::::: From my side there is also interest in a new EUOIA. There was some cooperation ongoing, we built a rail transport corridor across the islands from the south to the north of Eastern Uletha, electricity lines and so on. --[[User:Mstr|Mstr (talk)]] ([[User talk:Mstr|talk]]) 17:55, 2 July 2022 (UTC)
::::::: Neberly wasn't part of EUOIA before, but should it come back i would like it to be a member too. [[User:Antoon|Antoon]] ([[User talk:Antoon|talk]]) 16:45, 4 July 2022 (UTC)
::::::::As there seems to be growing interest in this, how should we continue our discussions and find new members? Mstr sentt me a message and I shared some thought and ideas with him already. In my view active discussions on the area, it's relationships, collaborations and geopolitics could help mapping a lot (even when it's not a literal building for EUOIA). It could make the region more coherent and realistic. --[[User:Eevee|Eevee]] ([[User talk:Eevee|talk]]) 20:50, 4 July 2022 (UTC)
:::::::::Another point is that all OGF members may not follow the forum discussions or they might not even have a wiki account. So some interested people may not see this discussion.--[[User:Eevee|Eevee]] ([[User talk:Eevee|talk]]) 20:52, 4 July 2022 (UTC)
::::::::::I realy think it could be a fun idea to collab on. the EU has a lot of influence in mapping, borders, buildings, highways etc. IRL, so it makes sense that out EU-like organization would too. [[User:Ifgus|Ifgus]] ([[User talk:Ifgus|talk]]) 23:39, 03 August 2022 (EEST)
::::::::::
So I made this table with (what I think are) all the territories in East Uletha that we can use to track who's on interested in the project. And for people who don't know about the EUOIA idea, we can contact them (just leave a note in the right column) and see if they're interested. Maybe this will help with gauging interest? [[User:Anonymous21|Anonymous21]] ([[User talk:Anonymous21|talk]]) 04:05, 6 October 2022 (UTC)
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|<small>Newcom composed this piece after seeing a flock of mallards waddling down a street in Quentinsburgh and remarking that "it looked like the ducks were having a military parade".</small>
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|<small>One of his most popular early works, Newcom composed this for Freedemia's sesquicentennial celebration celebrating 150 years since the signing of the independence and peace treaty with Ingerland, Castellan, and the Cabelian Republic on March 29th, 1737.</small>
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|<small>Composed to commemorate the formal establishment of the National Service Guard from most of Freedemia's reserve forces, dedicated to serving domestic non-combat needs. The march was subsequently made the official march of the Service Guard, and notably includes the melody of Freedemia's national anthem "In Unity We Stand Redeemed".</small>
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|Lithium-Ion
|<small>Newcom composed this to commemorate the reinauguration of President Algenia Dreyser, the first woman elected president of Freedemia in 1907 and known as "The Matriarch" for her strong leadership. The inauguration also marked 100 years since women were guaranteed the right to work, vote, and run for office in the 1811 constitution, making the occasion even more notable.</small>
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==== Ragtime and Novelty ====
==Starting a "new" EUOIA or reanimate the old one?==
Other popular tunes included the [https://drive.google.com/file/d/1P0qjHSaqdZJUSsNSdJ0PYA0MKFhSI5kC/view?usp=sharing Arthur Streete One-Step], about the bustling shopping district along [https://opengeofiction.net/#map=17/-21.12139/28.49615&layers=B Arthur Streete] in Quentinsburgh.
As [[User:Eevee|Eevee]] already mentioned, I've tried to find out the interest in an EUOIA successor organization. Since there have been much more users responding with "yes" than not responding or saying "no", I tried to set up a first idea [[User:Mstr/Sandbox#EUOIA_successor_organization|here]] (feel free to edit, add content, etc.). It is based on the outcome of the responses, which told me that there are different levels of contribution, independency of the nation and topics which should be addressed.
So, it seems to be plausible to, lets say, start with some treaties which are essential for every member nation to ratify. Additionally, there could be more precise agreements, where only those join who are interested in. I think, before it is moved from a sandbox to a separate page, we should discuss and finalize the name of the organization.--[[User:Mstr|Mstr (talk)]] ([[User talk:Mstr|talk]]) 21:54, 12 December 2022 (UTC)
:For me, the old name "Eastern Ulethan Organisation of Independent Allies" is in general okay. It was Rasmus Rasmusson who came up with the name. The main advantage is that EUOIA is well known on the OGF planet. To have "Independent" in the name seems to be important for some/most nations who would like to use EUOIA to extend their sphere of influence, but do not want the EUOIA to be a "European Union" with parliament, council, ... . "Eastern Ulethan" should be in the name as well or does the region have other (well established) names? I'm a little bit struggling with "Allies", since, to mee as non-native speaker, it sounds like a military context. If it is so, the organization might have started as military alliance (is there an already defined history of wars in our region?) or we replace it by another word (so that we are able to pronounce its abbreviation), e.g. "associates". I'm very interested in what you think. --[[User:Mstr|Mstr (talk)]] ([[User talk:Mstr|talk]]) 22:08, 12 December 2022 (UTC)
::I have the same feeling about the use of the word "allies", probably it points to the fact that the EUOIA is a direct consequence of a possible past World War. However the name is already quite mainstream in my head, so I think we could go ahead with this. Izaland would like to participate, although it would have a high degree of independence, either economic and commercial, compared to other smaller E.Ulethan nations. --[[User:Izaland Terramorphing Committee|Izaland Terramorphing Committee]] ([[User talk:Izaland Terramorphing Committee|talk]]) 14:54, 14 December 2022 (UTC)
:::I would like to join the old or new organisation --[[User:Julijahaller|Julijahaller]] ([[User talk:Julijahaller|talk]]) 20:24, 12 January 2023 (UTC)
:::For what it's worth, I'm a native English speaker (from the US), and the word "allies" definitely has a military connotation to me, but it can also be used in other contexts (like "political allies"). So it could be okay. -- [[User:Anonymous21|Anonymous21]] ([[User talk:Anonymous21|talk]]) 00:17, 14 January 2023 (UTC)
::::Thank you, your answer is quite useful! Is there any RW organization with "allies" in its name not dating back to a non-military origin? We do not have to avoid the military origin, it however makes it much harder to establish a historical background as soon as there is no consistent history of wars...--[[User:Mstr|Mstr (talk)]] ([[User talk:Mstr|talk]]) 18:44, 14 January 2023 (UTC)
::::Now that you mention it, I can't think of any RW organizations with "allies" in it. You're right :) -- I agree that we shouldn't use the "allies" unless it has some sort of military origin. — [[User:Anonymous21|Anonymous21]] ([[User talk:Anonymous21|talk]]) 19:57, 14 January 2023 (UTC)<blockquote>I think we should start from scratch. Start forming an organization (I'm fine with keeping the acronym)  and people that want to join/contribute are more than welcome --[[User:Ifgus|Ifgus]] ([[User talk:Ifgus|talk]]) 23:16, 20 January 2023 (UTC)</blockquote>


==== Redimidan Dance ====
=== Treaty Ideas ===
Similar to how Budrian syncopation and musical styles intertwined with Ingerish music styles in ragtime, in the formerly Castellanese part of Freedemia, a unique dance music emerged from the mix of Castellanese and Budrian styles. Redimidan dance tended to be mostly upbeat and celebratory, using primarily major chords. The traditional song [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lZog7NsTz98 "La Gallina de Tarefia"] ("The Hen of Tarephia", referencing Freedemia's nickname) is one of the most well known examples of the style.
As we figure out what we want treaty-wise for the EUOIA we could put ideas in this table
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|Mutual Protection Treaty
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* Members will participate in joint military exercises
* Any member state that attacks another member state will be immediately removed from the Organisation
* If any member state is attacked by another military power all other members will aid in a military response ("an attack on one is an attack on all")
* If any member becomes aware of an imminent threat on another member state, the threatened member state must be notified as soon as possible
|[[User:Anonymous21|Anonymous21]] ([[User talk:Anonymous21|talk]]) 00:20, 14 January 2023 (UTC)
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*okay--[[User:Mstr|Mstr (talk)]] ([[User talk:Mstr|talk]]) 18:44, 14 January 2023 (UTC)
*fine by me --[[User:Ifgus|Ifgus]] ([[User talk:Ifgus|talk]]) 23:16, 20 January 2023 (UTC)
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|Human Rights Agreement
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* Each member state must protect the human rights of citizens of all members (except when rights must be waived to protect national security)
* Human rights are defined as:
** The freedoms of speech, the press, expression, belief, worship, peaceful assembly, and safe and peaceful protest
** Rights to participate in free, fair, and democratic elections for all adult citizens (excluding incarcerated individuals and felons as determined by each member state)
** Right to a trial by an impartial jury consisting of peers
** Freedom from slavery or involuntary servitude
** Freedom from discrimination on the basis of race, color, biological sex, gender identity, sexual orientation, religion, political views, marital status, nationality, cultural background, medical history, ability, and ethnicity.


==== Swing and Jazz ====
(please add/suggest more)
|[[User:Anonymous21|Anonymous21]] ([[User talk:Anonymous21|talk]]) 00:37, 14 January 2023 (UTC)
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*okay, would exclude some forms of government--[[User:Mstr|Mstr (talk)]] ([[User talk:Mstr|talk]]) 18:44, 14 January 2023 (UTC)
*Basically would exclude dictatorships, monarchies without a constitution and/or elected parliament, anarchies, etc., I think that's what we would want? Or are we talking a group that takes anyone in East Uletha (personally, I would prefer that we have basic "ground rules") -- [[User:Anonymous21|Anonymous21]] ([[User talk:Anonymous21|talk]]) 06:08, 15 January 2023 (UTC)
*fine by me --[[User:Ifgus|Ifgus]] ([[User talk:Ifgus|talk]]) 23:16, 20 January 2023 (UTC)
*it was just a comment. In the past/for the old organization, this point was not clear. But in my point of few, it turns everything much more complicated and questionable if, e.g. anarchies, can join. Looking at NATO and EU, you might exclude some of its members--[[User:Mstr|Mstr (talk)]] ([[User talk:Mstr|talk]]) 14:55, 21 January 2023 (UTC)
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|Fundamental Services Agreement
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* Each member state must ensure, to the greatest extent possible, that all of its citizens and permanent residents have access to:
** Emergency services, including police, fire, and paramedic services
** Clean drinking water
** Emergency healthcare
** Free primary and secondary education for all resident minors
|[[User:Anonymous21|Anonymous21]] ([[User talk:Anonymous21|talk]]) 00:42, 14 January 2023 (UTC)
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*okay--[[User:Mstr|Mstr (talk)]] ([[User talk:Mstr|talk]]) 18:44, 14 January 2023 (UTC)
*fine by me --[[User:Ifgus|Ifgus]] ([[User talk:Ifgus|talk]]) 23:16, 20 January 2023 (UTC)
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|Collective Agencies Agreement
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* Each member state must participate in funding for agencies for the following purposes:
** Epidemiological and emerging disease prevention and response
** Identification of and response to threats from foreign adversaries
** Climate, environmental protection, and sustainability
** Preservation of human rights and democracy both within and beyond the Organisation
** Foreign diplomatic relations
|[[User:Anonymous21|Anonymous21]] ([[User talk:Anonymous21|talk]]) 00:52, 14 January 2023 (UTC)
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*okay--[[User:Mstr|Mstr (talk)]] ([[User talk:Mstr|talk]]) 18:44, 14 January 2023 (UTC)
*fine by me--[[User:Ifgus|Ifgus]] ([[User talk:Ifgus|talk]]) 23:16, 20 January 2023 (UTC)
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|Open Borders Agreement
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* Free travel between all member states
|[[User:Anonymous21|Anonymous21]] ([[User talk:Anonymous21|talk]]) 00:52, 14 January 2023 (UTC)
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*visa free travel could be a first step, no borders and free trade could be additional treaties which does not have to be ratified by all members--[[User:Mstr|Mstr (talk)]] ([[User talk:Mstr|talk]]) 18:44, 14 January 2023 (UTC)
*It doesn't seem like there a lot of members that share physical borders, so a group-wide open borders might be impractical or not very helpful. -- [[User:Anonymous21|Anonymous21]] ([[User talk:Anonymous21|talk]]) 06:08, 15 January 2023 (UTC)
*but freedom of movement is applicable. countries that share land borders doesn't need checkpoints and other countries can have citizens of any member state come live in them. It can create interesting mapping influences -- [[User:Ifgus|Ifgus]] ([[User talk:Ifgus|talk]]) 23:16, 20 January 2023 (UTC)
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|Founding agreement (better, e.g. historic name should be found)
|must be ratified by a member to join
*no military agression against other members
*acceptance of borders (naval and on land) between member states
*visa-free travel for citizens of member states (border controls still active)
*acceptance of economic zones and interests of each member state, participation within national laws possible
*common representation abroad by EUOIA offices/embassies if no member representation available
*...
Additional agreements can be proposed and ratified between members to intensify the level of cooperation.
|[[User:Mstr|Mstr (talk)]] ([[User talk:Mstr|talk]]) 18:44, 14 January 2023 (UTC)
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*might be based on a precursor agreement, e.g. a fishery agreement--[[User:Mstr|Mstr (talk)]] ([[User talk:Mstr|talk]]) 18:44, 14 January 2023 (UTC)
*Like it --[[User:Anonymous21|Anonymous21]] ([[User talk:Anonymous21|talk]]) 06:08, 15 January 2023 (UTC)
*I think we should start from there. If we establish a timeline it will be easier to build the organization around it and will allow new members to know when their country entered the organization --[[User:Ifgus|Ifgus]] ([[User talk:Ifgus|talk]]) 23:16, 20 January 2023 (UTC)
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|Eastern Common Market (Ecomar)
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*free trade agreement between members
*common representation of economic interests abroad
:-> potential lost of national autonomy (economic sector)
*coordinated trading strategy
:-> potential lost of national autonomy (economic sector)
*...
|[[User:Mstr|Mstr (talk)]] ([[User talk:Mstr|talk]]) 18:44, 14 January 2023 (UTC)
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* This could be helpful, my only concern is that labor could become dominated by a country or countries with lower costs, which could hurt everyone else's manufacturing sectors. So I do think we should establish some sort of minimum wage (probably relative to local cost of living) to mitigate that. Other than that, I'm good with it. -- [[User:Anonymous21|Anonymous21]] ([[User talk:Anonymous21|talk]]) 06:08, 15 January 2023 (UTC)
* fine by me --[[User:Ifgus|Ifgus]] ([[User talk:Ifgus|talk]]) 23:16, 20 January 2023 (UTC)
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|EU Transportation Normalization Act
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*normalization of means of transport (as far as possible)
|[[User:Mstr|Mstr (talk)]] ([[User talk:Mstr|talk]]) 18:44, 14 January 2023 (UTC)
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* So are we thinking like standardized rail gagues here? -- [[User:Anonymous21|Anonymous21]] ([[User talk:Anonymous21|talk]]) 06:08, 15 January 2023 (UTC)
* fine by me --[[User:Ifgus|Ifgus]] ([[User talk:Ifgus|talk]]) 23:16, 20 January 2023 (UTC)
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|Global Education Act
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*free and easy exchange of students, set up school exchanges and student exchange programs
*exchange with other countries outside the organization under the same conditionsempty
|[[User:Mstr|Mstr (talk)]] ([[User talk:Mstr|talk]]) 18:44, 14 January 2023 (UTC)
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* I've never thought of that idea, but that seems like something that would help prepare students to participate in the group and global economies. I like it! -- [[User:Anonymous21|Anonymous21]] ([[User talk:Anonymous21|talk]]) 06:08, 15 January 2023 (UTC)
* fine by me --[[User:Ifgus|Ifgus]] ([[User talk:Ifgus|talk]]) 23:16, 20 January 2023 (UTC)
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|EU Nuclear-Weapon-Free Zone
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*establishment and enforcement of a nuclear weapon free zone in Eastern Uletha
|[[User:Mstr|Mstr (talk)]] ([[User talk:Mstr|talk]]) 18:44, 14 January 2023 (UTC)
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* Makes sense unless there are other significant and/or opposing powers that have nuclear weapons, then maybe we would want the group to have nuclear capabilities that can be used only by the authorization of all members? But at the same time there are probably other big states (Federal States of Archanta) that we would be generally aligned with that have nuclear weapons. -- [[User:Anonymous21|Anonymous21]] ([[User talk:Anonymous21|talk]]) 06:08, 15 January 2023 (UTC)
* since nuclear balance would be hard to work out, it is better to assume for the first step that besides the FSA there is no other nuclear power. If you start to consider all countries which claim to have nuclear weapons, you can stop any other action...--[[User:Mstr|Mstr (talk)]] ([[User talk:Mstr|talk]]) 14:55, 21 January 2023 (UTC)
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|Research collaboration
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possible field of collaboration
*antarctic expeditions
*aerospace / space agency
|[[User:Mstr|Mstr (talk)]] ([[User talk:Mstr|talk]]) 18:44, 14 January 2023 (UTC)
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* Definitely -- [[User:Anonymous21|Anonymous21]] ([[User talk:Anonymous21|talk]]) 06:08, 15 January 2023 (UTC)
* fine by me --[[User:Ifgus|Ifgus]] ([[User talk:Ifgus|talk]]) 23:16, 20 January 2023 (UTC)
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|Common currency
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* Shared currency to support economies of all members
|[[User:Anonymous21|Anonymous21]] ([[User talk:Anonymous21|talk]]) 06:08, 15 January 2023 (UTC)
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* This could be especially helpful because none of the members have ''huge'' economies, which would probably make this more beneficial to all members and would reduce the risk of economic troubles in one country causing a significant downturn in all members. -- [[User:Anonymous21|Anonymous21]] ([[User talk:Anonymous21|talk]]) 06:08, 15 January 2023 (UTC)
* on board with that. our small-ish economies can benefit from that --[[User:Ifgus|Ifgus]] ([[User talk:Ifgus|talk]]) 23:16, 20 January 2023 (UTC)
* would be not the first step, but for members who are interested okay --[[User:Mstr|Mstr (talk)]] ([[User talk:Mstr|talk]]) 14:55, 21 January 2023 (UTC)
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==== Hymns and Gospel ====
=== Naming ===
The acronym "EUOIA" should be kept since it is well known.
{| class="wikitable"
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!Discussion
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*[[User:Mstr|Mstr (talk)]] ([[User talk:Mstr|talk]]) 19:05, 14 January 2023 (UTC)
*[[User:Anonymous21|Anonymous21]] ([[User talk:Anonymous21|talk]]) 20:22, 14 January 2023 (UTC)
*[[User:Tule00|Tule00]] ([[User talk:Tule00|talk]]) 13:07, 15 January 2023 (UTC)
*[[User:Ifgus|Ifgus]] ([[User talk:Ifgus|talk]]) 23:16, 20 January 2023 (UTC)
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==== Jingles ====
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The jingle culture that places like the [[Federal States]] had in the 1940s-1960s never quite died out in Freedemia. The local phrase of "Sex sells, but a good jingle sells triple" exemplifies the culture around jingles in Freedemia. Most major companies use jingles in their product advertising, political candidates use jingles in their campaign ads, and even the doors closing sound on many metro trains tend to be jingles (such as the [https://drive.google.com/file/d/1bkAOzJVPeGPBmroaBnIk-bRCpdpFsQ5c/view?usp=sharing Quentinsburgh Metro doors closing sound]) rather than just tones or beeps.
*
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=== Visual Art ===
"Independent" in the name is important for me.
One of the most significant parts of Freedemian visual art culture is landscape painting, largely inspired by Freedemia's grand landscapes of mountains, meadows, and beaches. This would eventually evolve into a wider culture that included paintings of cityscapes
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*[[User:Mstr|Mstr (talk)]] ([[User talk:Mstr|talk]]) 19:09, 14 January 2023 (UTC)
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* [[User:Anonymous21|Anonymous21]] ([[User talk:Anonymous21|talk]]) 20:22, 14 January 2023 (UTC)
* [[User:Tule00|Tule00]] ([[User talk:Tule00|talk]]) 13:07, 15 January 2023 (UTC)
* [[User:Ifgus|Ifgus]] ([[User talk:Ifgus|talk]]) 23:16, 20 January 2023 (UTC)


Somewhat at the intersection of art and fashion, body painting is a uniquely Freedemian art. It is believed to have been inspired some by the paint markings Budrian tribes were known to adorn in leiu of colonial style clothes. Today styles of Freedemian body painting range from abstract designs to representations of landscapes to painted-on clothes.
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* I think it acts as a great "filler" word if we're trying to keep the current acronym but other than that is kind of pointless lol ([[User:Anonymous21|Anonymous21]] ([[User talk:Anonymous21|talk]]) 20:22, 14 January 2023 (UTC))
* Agreed with Anonymous21, not crucial but I don't mind it --[[User:Tule00|Tule00]] ([[User talk:Tule00|talk]]) 13:07, 15 January 2023 (UTC)
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<gallery>
"Allies" should be replaced.
Albert Bierstadt - Mountain landscape (01).jpg|An example of a landscape painting, showing the Firqa Adarir (mountains)
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Camille Pissarro - Boulevard Montmartre, Spring - Google Art Project.jpg|An example of a cityscape painting, showing a boulevard in Frankelyn
!yes
File:Rainbow body painting installation at WBF 2015.jpg|An example of Freedemian abstract body painting.
!don't know
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!Discussion
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*[[User:Mstr|Mstr (talk)]] ([[User talk:Mstr|talk]]) 19:09, 14 January 2023 (UTC)
*[[User:Anonymous21|Anonymous21]] ([[User talk:Anonymous21|talk]]) 20:22, 14 January 2023 (UTC)
*[[User:Tule00|Tule00]] ([[User talk:Tule00|talk]]) 13:07, 15 January 2023 (UTC)
*[[User:Ifgus|Ifgus]] ([[User talk:Ifgus|talk]]) 23:16, 20 January 2023 (UTC)
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Old name:
*Eastern Ulethan Organisation of Independent Allies


=== Architecture ===
Some ideas for the new name:
=== Theater ===
=== Film ===


=== Cuisine ===
*Eastern Ulethan Organization of Independent Associates --[[User:Mstr|Mstr (talk)]] ([[User talk:Mstr|talk]]) 19:09, 14 January 2023 (UTC)


==== Meats ====
*Eastern Ulethan Organisation for Independence and Accord --[[User:Anonymous21|Anonymous21]] ([[User talk:Anonymous21|talk]]) 20:22, 14 January 2023 (UTC)
Poultry is by far the most popular meat in Freedemia, with chicken especially being a staple of Freedemian cuisine in various forms, partly owing to the domestication of the native [[green-headed chicken]] adapted for the tropical climate. Mutton/lamb and beef are also quite popular, along with seafood in many coastal areas and in the [[Auliffe Islands]]. Partially due to the Pacifist Christic, Ibryim, and Imani populations believing pork is improper to consume, pork is uniquely nearly nonexistent in Freedemian cuisine. Turkey, beef, or lamb are often substituted for pork in things like sausage, bacon, lunch meats, "ham", and chops. Beef and chicken barbeque are popular in the formerly Ingerish and Castellanese regions.  Fried chicken skins (akin to fried pork skins/pork rinds elsewhere) are popular snacks, especially in the Castellanese region. Mazanite immigration has led to meat kebabs being popular as well, while Navennese and Plevian immigrants brought sausagemaking and fine deli meats.
: "independence" a little bit too pronounced --[[User:Mstr|Mstr (talk)]] ([[User talk:Mstr|talk]]) 14:39, 21 January 2023 (UTC)
*Eastern Ulethan Organisation for International Accord --[[User:Anonymous21|Anonymous21]] ([[User talk:Anonymous21|talk]]) 20:22, 14 January 2023 (UTC)


==== Cheeses ====
*Eastern Ulethan Opportunity and Intermutuality Alliance --[[User:Anonymous21|Anonymous21]] ([[User talk:Anonymous21|talk]]) 20:22, 14 January 2023 (UTC)
Freedemians are known to have a very cheese-filled diet. While cheeses originating from Navenna, Plevia, and other regions are very popular as well, several types of domestically-produced cheese are some of the most popular. ''Chavana cheese'', from the eastern agricultural regions, is similar to Plevian hard, granular cheeses and is produced from cow's milk, typically aged for at least 9 months. ''Redimidan queso'' is similar to forms of ''queso blanco'' around the world, but is usually mixed with a special variant of ''Chavana'' specifically made to melt easier for dipping and filling. ''Wallacian cheese'', from the Rivagien and Ingerish regions, is a soft crumbly cheese made from sheep milk.


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*Eastern Ulethan Organization of Intergovernmental Affiliates/ Associates  --[[User:Ifgus|Ifgus]] ([[User talk:Ifgus|talk]]) 23:16, 20 January 2023 (UTC)
File:Wensleydale cheese 2.jpg|''Wallacian cheese,'' originating from the town of Wallace in the region of Ingerish and Rivagien overlap in southern Freedemia.
: I like it --[[User:Mstr|Mstr (talk)]] ([[User talk:Mstr|talk]]) 14:39, 21 January 2023 (UTC)
File: Parmesan, 3 Months (7005099026).jpg|''Chavana cheese'', accompanied with bread. The hard, nutty granular cheese is Freedemia's most popular.
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==== Fruits and Vegetables ====
=== Other issues ===
The tropical environment makes it convenient to grow tropical fruits, such as the ''[[turtlefruit]]'', a fruit closely related to the pineapple but with an exterior that resembles a turtle shell and a slightly greener interior, and the ''[[huevomango]]'', a mostly whitish-reddish mango that mainly grows in Freedemia.
==== Flag proposals====
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!By
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|[[File:EUOIA flag proposal01.png|250px|left|thumb|Rising sun symbols the East, green color to differ from any kind of EU flag]]


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[[File:EUOIA flag proposal01b.png|250px|left|thumb|Rising sun symbols the East, green color to differ from any kind of EU flag]]
File:Pineapples.JPG|Freedemian turtlefruit, with its distinguishing green shell.
File:Lalminta_mangoes.JPG|Freedemian huevomango.
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==== Popular Foods ====
[[File:EUOIA flag proposal01c.png|250px|left|thumb|Rising sun symbols the East, green color to differ from any kind of EU flag]]
Rice and egg dishes are some of the most common in Freedemia, sometimes together (such as eggs, onions, and rice as a popular breakfast meal). Potato and maize dishes are also common, with mashed potatoes and corn on the cob being popular and potato flour and cornmeal being some of the most used in cooking.  
|[[User:Mstr|Mstr (talk)]] ([[User talk:Mstr|talk]]) 19:09, 14 January 2023 (UTC)
|too similar to the Japanese imperial banner in my opinion --[[User:Ifgus|Ifgus]] ([[User talk:Ifgus|talk]]) 23:16, 20 January 2023 (UTC)
:I added a second, slightly modified version, so the similarity is less.--[[User:Mstr|Mstr (talk)]] ([[User talk:Mstr|talk]]) 14:35, 21 January 2023 (UTC)
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|[[File:EUOIAflagproposal02.png|alt=An orange sun with 8 yellow rays on a blue background|thumb|An alternate version of the rising with more colors|left]]
|[[User:Anonymous21|Anonymous21]] ([[User talk:Anonymous21|talk]]) 05:50, 15 January 2023 (UTC)
|yellow-orange combination is unusual
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|[[File:EUOIA proposal flag.png|left|thumb|compass cardinal directions pointing towards the east with maritime colors to symbolize connection to the sea]]


Fried foods are fairly common in Freedemian street foods, and often viewed as the most representative of typical Freedemian cuisine.
[[File:EUOIA proposal flag2.png|left|thumb]]
 
|[[User:Ifgus|Ifgus]] ([[User talk:Ifgus|talk]]) 23:16, 20 January 2023 (UTC)
The most typical street food of Freedemian cuisine is the ''pizacyro'', a type of fried flatbread usually topped with toppings similar to that of pizza, tacos, or gyros, where the name is believed to originate. It is believed that the pizacyro came from some of Freedemia's poorer communities, where creating the fried bread was an effort to make a meal out of leftover foods and small amounts of flour and oil. Meats (usually beef, lamb, chicken, or sausage), sour cream, melted shredded or crumbled cheese, tomatoes or tomato sauce, lettuce (or other similar leafy greens), onion, and garlic are the most common toppings. Turtlefruit and pineapple are also common, though highly controversial. Today, pizacyros are a staple of Freedemian street food, and have slowly risen in popularity around the world, even spawning fast food varieties such as the [[Pizacyro Hero]] fast food chain. Dessert pizacyros have also become popular over time, often topped with jellies, fruits, and ice cream.
|the symbol reminds me of NATO, the triangle is close to FSA
 
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''Empanadas'' are also very popular throughout the country, partially deriving from Castellanese influence. Fillings are quite diverse, but lamb, beef, chicken, beans, and shredded or grated cheese are the most common. Other fried Castellanese or Latinian-derived foods, such as ''tostadas'' and ''Redimidan chalupas'' (with more of a fried shell), are also popular street foods. Fried vegetables and fried meats (especially poultry, such as fried chicken) also make up much of the cuisine.
 
International favorites such as cheeseburgers, franquese fries, hot dogs, and pizza are popular in Freedemia, often with their own variants such as ''Quentinsburgh-style pizza'' and turtlefruit on burgers. Many Freedemian deserts, such as ''crêpes'', come from Rivagien cuisine. Many staples of Tigerian cuisine such as ''pain mei'' and ''aux perles'' are popular as well, partially from Meilan's proximity, and mediterranean dishes have been brought over by Mazanic immigrants.
 
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2020-07-25 22 24 57 Egg and onion dish in the Franklin Farm section of Oak Hill, Fairfax County, Virginia.jpg|Scrambled eggs and onions, a popular Freedemian breakfast sometimes cooked with rice.
File:Frybread taco.jpg|A frybread very similar to Freedemian ''pizacyro.''
File:Fried empanadas with cheese, beans and lettuce on top.jpg|A typical Freedemian ''empanada'', with cheese inside and on top and a more fried texture.
File:Pineapple bacon cheeseburger.jpg|A cheeseburger with turtlefruit, a popular style in Freedemia.
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==== Drinks and Beverages ====
While alcohol comsumption in private is technically legal, alcohol sales are currently illegal in Freedemia. Filling this gap, mocktails are extremely popular in Freedemia, with various mocktail bars and pubs throughout the country.
 
Freedemia is also somewhat known for an abundance of vending machines in urban areas. Due to the heat and humidity Freedemia sees consistently, dehydration is common, and people are frequently looking for places to get something to drink. Around 1960, seeing the budding success of vending machines in countries like [[Izaland]] and Freedemia's similarly low rates of vandalism and theft, beverage companies like [[Jewel]] saw an opportunity, and around the 1970s began a mass rollout of vending machines across the country. Snack machines followed shortly after, and today it is hard to go anywhere in a major city in Freedemia without there being at least vending machine nearby. The lack of alcohol in mocktails also allows popular mocktails to be available at vending machines.
 
=== National Character ===
==== Pacifism ====
==== Common Courtesy ====
==== "Cartoon Culture" ====
The love for cartoony characters and worlds carries over to nearly every part of Freedemian life, such as video games remaining cartoony when other regions moved towards realistic graphics, and mascots and cartoon characters used in advertising.
==== Attitude towards alcohol, smoking, substances ====
==== Attitude towards the body ====
==== Freedemian Bath Culture ====
=== Fashion and Dress ===
Due to the extremely hot and humid climate, typical Freedemian clothing tends to be very thin and airy, often made of sheer cotton, lace, or mesh. Most of the time, people of both genders only wear one layer of clothing, and undergarments are rarely worn. Unlike in places like the [[Federal States]], cultural perceptions of modesty in Freedemia is not associated with dress or amount of skin showing. Barechestedness, regardless of gender, is both legal and extremely common in casual settings, and it is normal for Freedemians to be nude at parks, beaches, or pools. The modesty of the culture, cultural acceptance of the body, and the intensity of the climate mean general acceptance of the aforementioned overall clothing style.
 
For more business-casual or formal dress, light short-sleeve polo shirts and polo skirts are very common, as well as light button-ups.
 
<gallery>
File:Self (3290497275).jpg|A man wearing a polo shirt.
File:2009 LPGA Championship - Morgan Pressel (3).jpg|A typical polo shirt and polo skirt combination.
File:SMATrinitasPoloShirtHitam.jpg|Two young women wearing polo shirts.
File: 2010 Run to the Sun Fashion Show in Anchorage Alaska 14.jpg|A typical polo shirt and polo shorts combination.
File:Transparent lace top and skirt.png|An example of a semi-formal sheer lace Freedemian dress.
File:150815 여의도 신바람 페스티벌 성규 4.jpg|A Freedemian casual men's shirt, usually worn without the second shirt.
File:World naked bike ride 7.jpg|Barechested Freedemians in a casual setting.
</gallery>
 
=== Sports ===
Sports culture is very strong in Freedemia, with attending games as a favorite pasttime. Baseball, field hockey, ringbowl (sometimes known as Freedemian basketball), football (soccer), and foosball (table soccer) are the most popular sports, while other sports such as tennis and cricket also have moderate followings. Both men's and women's sports are popular, and in many cases will share stadiums.
 
Most major team sports leagues in Freedemia are set up with a relegation club setup, where teams can be in an upper or lower league based on their previous season. As such, for the most popular sports like baseball, there are lots of teams in major cities and even some smaller regions.
 
==== Baseball ====
Lycene League Baseball (LLB) is the main men's baseball league for Freedemia and the Lycene region at large. While the majority of teams in the league are Freedemian teams, several surrounding countries, such as [[Barzona]], [[Geare]], [[Paroy]], and [[Meilan]], also have teams that play in the league. Freedemian Women's League Baseball  (FWLB) is the main women's baseball league, and at this time teams are only from Freedemia. Annually, there is a "Battle of the Sexes" all-star game between the best of the Lycene League and the best of the Women's League. Every two years, the best of the Lycene teams play a series of games against teams from the [[Federal States]].
 
==== Ringbowl ====
Ringbowl, sometimes referred to internationally as Freedemian basketball, is a ball sport that plays similar to a court-sized version of the skip-ball games found in many arcades. Players from each team have to get across a basketball-styled court and "bowl" a ball off a ramp into ringed baskets on the ends. Points are scored by what ring the ball lands in (either 1, 2, or 3 points), and balls rolled into the basket from beyond the "plus one" line gain an additional point. Balls that don't make it over the ramp and roll back in are considered still in play. To pass the ball, players must "bowl" the ball to each other across the court.
 
<gallery>
File:雲林縣斗六市 斗六棒球場 - panoramio (51).jpg|A baseball stadium in Freedemia.
File:Ladislav Křepela.JPG|A man playing professional foosball at the International Foosball World Cup.
File:Maria Ovanesova.jpg|Women playing professional field hockey.
</gallery>
 
=== Television and Film ===
Freedemia is home to one of the largest movie industries in Freedemia. Betterview-Century Media (the conglomerate parent company of Betterview Studios) and StudioOwl are both based out of Vandoveur's iconic [https://opengeofiction.net/#map=15/-19.3473/26.4855&layers=B ''Studio Boulevard'' district].
 
=== Video Games ===
 
=== Holidays ===
==== Public Holidays ====
* '''February 13th- Family Day''': A major Freedemian holiday celebrating families. Family Day was declared a federal holiday in 1995 to allow for a day of family quality time uninterrupted by work.
* '''March 29th- Free Reedemia Day''': Effectively Freedemia's national celebration day, a major holiday that marks the anniversary of the signing of Freedemia's independence and peace treaty with Ingerland, Castellan, and the Cabelian Republic. Traditions include parades complete with marching bands playing patriotic traditional songs like The Hen of Tarephia and Bells of Democracy, along with evening fireworks or drone light shows.
* '''April 15th- Unity Day''': The anniversary of the signing of the original unity pact between rebels of the Ingerish Reedemia and Tierra Redimida colonies.
* '''May 1st- Labor Day'''
* '''June 15th- Midyear''': A major holiday celebrating getting halfway through the year. Traditions include a feast, giving thanks for good things from earlier in the year, and resolutions for the remaining part of the year.
* '''July- Election Days'''- Election days sometimes shift from year to year, but all annual and special election days are federal holidays to allow people to vote.
* '''August 10th- Service Day''': A day set aside to volunteer/do service/outreach. Sometimes celebrated as Prayer and Service Day.
* '''September 13th- Founding Mothers' Day''': The anniversary of the 1811 constitution that solidified women's right to work, vote, and run for office.
* '''October 7th- Native Tarephian Day'''
* '''December 31st & January 1st- New Year's Eve & New Year's Day''': a major summer holiday. Traditions include lights, parades leading up to the day, countdowns to the new year, gift exchanges at midnight, and feasts on New Years' Day. The day is also frequently associated with stories of (fictional) magical flying Southern Island penguins delivering gifts to kids around the world.


All holidays on the Christic, Ibryim, Imani, and Koinoia calendars are also required to be allowed as religious holidays off from work.  
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==== Anthem ====
Would we want some sort of EUOIA anthem? I wrote one for [[Kara]]. -- [[User:Anonymous21|Anonymous21]] ([[User talk:Anonymous21|talk]]) 01:16, 16 January 2023 (UTC)<blockquote>could be a nice touch, but from which country came the poet? ;) --[[User:Ifgus|Ifgus]] ([[User talk:Ifgus|talk]]) 23:16, 20 January 2023 (UTC)</blockquote>

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Discussion before 2022 (not latest version)

This is the discussion page for the setup of EUOIA. The Summarised proposal is what is currently being proposed. Old discussion is what has previously been discussed that lead to the proposal.

Questions that have to be answered:

  • Will there be an EUOIA parliament or not (see the appropriate chapter below)?
  • Where will the suborganisations and institutes be located (as far as they haven't been claimed yet)?

When these questions have been anwered, we can approve the current proposal. As soon as all member states' names are behind approved, the proposal for the EUOIA setup is approved after which we can update the main page of EUOIA.

This proposal is:

Summarised proposal

Based on what is discussed below, I (Rasmus Rasmusson (talk) 19:25, 5 July 2017 (CEST)) propose the following setup for EUOIA (Updated 4 August 2018):

History and purpose

Ifgus's proposal for a general introduction to EUOIA's history (he mentions some nations, but you can of course add/change for yourselves at which point exactly your country joined): 

After The World War, Eastern Uletha suffered a huge economic catastrophe, much like the rest of the world. The countries where struggling to become steady again, to stabilize their economy and to rebuild what was demolished. 
In April 20, 1962, Wyster, Mauretia, Mergany, Kojo and Eshein singed the Imperium Treaty which ordered the establishment of the Eastern Ulethan Economic Support Alliance. The the goal of this economic organization was supporting each other economically to rebound from the catastrophe. 
In January 10, 1968, during a meeting of the alliance in Iola, for the fist time the nations started to think about expending the alliance to other fields such and trade, education (Rasmus Rasmusson: I'd prefer 'Scientific cooperation' here), foreign relations, etc. but no decision was made.
In July 3, 1976, during a meeting of the alliance in Bad Stanncatt, the Bad Stanncatt Treaty was singed and ordered on the expansion of the fields that the organization is responsible to and was, in fact, the beginning of the organization as it is today.

The purpose of EUESA > EUOIA:

  • 1962 : EUESA as an economic support system for its member states.
  • 1968 : starting talks about cooperation on field of trade, foreign relations, scientific development, etc., but no breakthrough yet
  • 1976 : founding of EUOIA in Bad Stancatt (Mergany). The purpose of EUOIA is to facilitate cooperation between its member states in several fields through various suborganisations: member states can choose on which level they cooperate with other member states (or not) and therefore which suborganisations they join.

Organisation

The EUOIA has the following organs:

The Board of Governors

The Board of Governors is the main organ of EUOIA. It consists of two members per member state, who are appointed by the member states in any manner as they see fit. It has as its principal powers:

  • To decide the general action and policy of EUOIA, determine the structure and functions of its organs, and consider any matter relating to friendly relations among the member states;
  • To establish measures to coordinate the activities of the organs;
  • To promote collaboration, especially in the economic, technological, scientific, and cultural fields, between the member states and with other international organisations whose purposes are similar to those of EUOIA.
  • To approve EUOIA’s budget and determine the quotas of the member states;
  • To adopt its own rules of procedure and its agenda.

The BoG convenes at least twice a year, each time in another member state according to a rotating system.

The Secretariat

The Secretariat is the administrative organ of EUOIA and takes care of daily business. It is headed by the organisation’s Secretary General. It’s main tasks are:

  • To carry out those decisions of the BoG of which the implementation has not been assigned to another body;
  • To prepare the meetings of the BoG
  • To transmit to the member states the notice of the convocation of the BoG or any other EUOIA meeting.
  • To serve as a custodian of the documents and archives of EUOIA
  • To submit to the BoG at the first meeting session of each year an annual report on the activities of EUOIA in the past year, and on its financial condition.

The Secretariat will be located in Viljanni Template:MER-coordinates.

The Secretary General is appointed by the BoG for one period of 1000 days; he or she originates from one of the member states. A Secretary General may not have the same nationality as his predecessor.

  • In case a Secretary General dies in office or is otherwise incapacitated during his term, his or her country of origin will appoint an interim Secretary General who will assume the duties of the Secretary General either until the moment that the original Secretary General will be able to resume his or her duties, or until the end of the original Secretary General’s 1000 days term.
  • The BoG, by a two thirds vote of their members, may remove the Secretary General from office, whenever the proper functioning of EUOIA so demands. The member state of origin of the removed Secretary General will appoint an interim Secretary General until the end of the original Secretary General’s 1000 days term.

If the 1000 days term is accepted and the first SecGen's term starts on 1 January 1977 (assuming that EUOIA was founded in its current form in July 1976), the list will be as follows:

name country term start term end remarks
1 1/1/1977 27/9/1979
2 28/9/1979 23/6/1982
3 24/6/1982 19/3/1985
4 20/3/1985 14/12/1987
5 15/12/1987 9/9/1990
6 10/9/1990 5/6/1993
7 6/6/1993 1/3/1996
8 2/3/1996 26/11/1999
9 27/11/1999 22/8/2002
10 23/8/2002 18/5/2005
11 19/5/2005 12/2/2008
12 13/2/2008 8/11/2010
13 9/11/2010 4/8/2013
14 5/8/2013 30/4/2016
15 1/5/2016 25/1/2019
16 26/1/2019 21/10/2021
No Parliament?

I (Rasmus Rasmusson (talk) 19:25, 5 July 2017 (CEST)) am still not convinced that a parliament is needed, especially from the beginning of EUOIA's existence. It depends on the depth of the integration of the member states and whether EUOIA is a super-governmental or an inter-governmental organisation. A parliament can however be created at a later moment; it could e.g. be part of current ongoing discussions.

  • I too don't think we need a parliament. I'd be okay with it being part of current negotiations, but I really think its superfluous. &mdash; Alessa <sub>(talk)</sub> 15:47, 15 August 2018 (CEST)
Let's vote about this! :D<br>
Please fill in your username after 'yes', 'no', 'don't know/undecided':
  • yes, we need a parliament:
  • no, we don't need a parliament: Wyster, Mauretia
  • don't know/undecided:
Other specialised organisations and institutions

Member states don't have to participate in every of these organisations and institutions. In the list below, the provisional locations of each organisation/institute are added as far as they have been claimed. The year of foundation should be added. Please only claim an organisation/institute if your country participates in the cooperation (and if your country was a member of EUOIA at the time of the organisation's foundation; moving around offices if an original host country isn't available anymore for some reason, is possible, but of course rather expensive so it should be avoided). If multiple member states claim the same organisation/institute, we could vote about it.

  • Eastern Ulethan Economic Community (EUEC) > facilitates free trade and other economic issues (free movement, transport, ...), located in Mergany Template:MER-coordinates
  • Eastern Ulethan Defense Association (EUDA) > common defense, located in Eshein Template:MER-coordinates
  • Eastern Ulethan High Court of Justice (EUHCJ) > for e.g. settlement of disputes NOT a judicial union! Located in Wyster? (see Rasmus Rasmusson's question below)
  • Eastern Ulethan Institute for Science and Development (EUISD)
  • Eastern Ulethan Medical and Health Organisation (EUMHO), located in Mauretia Template:MER-coordinates
  • Eastern Ulethan Energy Office (EUEO)
  • Eastern Ulethan Institute for Cultural Cooperation (EUICC) > including sport issues
  • Eastern Ulethan Investment Bank (EUIB) > loans for less developed member states, EUOIA sponsored projects, etc.?
  • Eastern Ulethan Diplomatic Bureau (EUDB) > common embassies etc.
  • Eastern Ulethan Space Agency Federation (EUSAF), if needed, located in Viljanni Template:MER-coordinates

(Since there is no fixed location for the Board of Governors, the building I mapped in Wyster (Template:MER-coordinates) can be used for something else. Can I claim the High Court of Justice for that? -- Rasmus Rasmusson (talk) 11:27, 4 August 2018 (CEST) )

Treaties and agreements

Member states don't have to participate in every of these treaties and agreements.

  • Founding Treaty
  • Free Trade Agreement (to be facilitated by EUEC)

Table of members and membership levels

Please fill about your countries. Instructions are listed on the edit page.

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Table discussion

Some interesting and good discussion has started to come about here and on the EUDA page. It has made me thing more and more about what role Mauretia is playing/would play in the EUOIA. We all seem to have different desires about what the EUOIA should do. I think this is kind of cool. As much as most of us have developed (or mostly developed) countries, there are still some big differences. What if we allowed for a fluid membership? Even if this is only for the time being, it helps get collaboration off the ground and gives us things that we can incorporate into our mapping. Perhaps this is a good halfway point and compromise for those of us on opposite ends of the spectrum. In this way, the EUOIA can sponsor specific treaties and members can jump in as they wish. Perhaps, to further the compromise, there might need to be a minimum involvement (maybe a minimum of 3 areas to be a member)? I don't think that number should be too high, lest we run people off that we'd rather work with. Membership could be tracked with a simple table on the main article page. In the table a full participant has a green check and a partial participant has a faded check. Does this sound like something users are interested in? Happy mapping. Alessa (talk) 14:55, 22 March 2017 (CET) <small>Restored accidentally deleted comment along with a quick edit to fix grammar after table was moved. &mdash;Alessa (talk) 06:37, 23 March 2017 (CET)</small>

Thanks Alessa for the initiative. If I might ask, what exactly would "common embassies" include? Would that mean that the EUOIA would actually only have one embassy in third countries, which would represent all member countries? Also, open borders would need to be specified; does it mean free movement of goods and people like in the EU, e.g. every citizen of a member state may move to every country and work there without getting a visa, or would it only include a zero tariffs policy?Leowezy (talk) 20:46, 22 March 2017 (CET)
Hi, Leo. According to the discussion below and the embassies listed on the main article, the embassies are those in smaller countries like Myrcia, where it would not be economical for each member to have a separate facility. This doesn't mean that there can't be a separate ambassador at the shared space, and I don't think it is intended to preclude any member country from putting their own if relations would warrant it. For example, Mauretia may not have the means or interaction with Hoppon to place an embassy, but Kojo would given the newly-forming co-cultural bloc. So, Hoppon might have an EUOIA embassy for maybe Teberia and Mauretia separate from Kojo's. That's how I interpret it.
Next, yes, open borders needs to be clarified. In fact, the chart I created was just a mock-up as part of a proposal and not even intended for use! I'm flattered that people jumped right in. I've reorganized it (without changing information or what others put for their country). Of course, some of the things you mention also fall under the purview of sub-organizations like the EUEC or EUDA, and not everything is a potential forfeiture of sovereignty. Alessa (talk) 06:37, 23 March 2017 (CET)
Adding to what I just wrote: I think it's also important to point out that some of the points above presuppose others; for example, a political union would obviously "include" a simple non-aggression pact; A common currency can only be implemented if there's at least some degree of political cooperation, same goes with open borders (that means EU-like free movement of people) etc.Leowezy (talk) 21:16, 22 March 2017 (CET)
Correct. I hope my above comment explains that. I also should add that Mauretia might be willing to partake in a non-aggression pact but not necessarily the EUDA, even though EUDA would likely require the non-agg pact as a prerequisite. Alessa (talk) 06:37, 23 March 2017 (CET)

Thank you all for the discussion, especially Alessa for the table.

  • My intention with common embassies was to simplify the handling of foreign embassies for member states of EUOIA (simplify things is the main purpose of EUOIA for me), so as Alessa explained, there can be a common embassy in a country located. This makes sense in smaller (unimportant :) ) countries far away. The advantage is that not every member has to create hundreds of embassies and take care of them (in the case that the country is "lost", the embassy is illegally occupied by somebody else (I have many embassies in foreign countries, almost each month one gets lost, that's extremely time consuming), ...). A new user who joins EUOIA directly has, without any effort, some representations in other countries. Of course every member is welcome to set up an own embassy if there are special connections to that country (EUOIA shouldn't restrict your possibilities).
  • In my opinion, there will be too much information for such a simple table, it has to be much more detailed in the future: there should be some very general categories and in each category different options (and maybe sub-options). I think it is impossible to establish such a table suddenly, it's a long process to be more and more precise. My intention was that if somebody "hosts" one organization, one should also contribute ideas how to organize this part. At least each organization could have an "informal" group in which everybody is "member". The "Board of Governors" should be mandatory for every member, I see no reason to be part of EUOIA but not meeting other government leaders.
  • Another important issue of EUOIA (at least for me) is that there are no superpowers so far in OGF. Each member country on its own is negligible (sorry guys :) ). However, most countries (mine as well) claim to be the best, strongest, greatest nation on earth, just look at the annoying race in wiki-tables every day. So being part of EUOIA means being part of a strong, well organized "block" that nobody can disregard, no matter how it is really organized inside (e.g. still full sovereignty of each member).

--Mstr (talk) 07:51, 23 March 2017 (CET)

Membership requests

Request for Glaster to participate?

--Yuanls (talk) 15:46, 9 January 2016 (GMT)

Yes, you're very welcome! --Rasmus Rasmusson (talk) 16:54, 9 January 2016 (CET)
Thanks! --Yuanls (talk) 15:48, 9 January 2016 (GMT)

Mergany would like to participate --Mstr (talk) 2:39, 12 February 2016 (GMT)

While I'm certain Rasmus would like to see a new member, I would suggest contacting him through private messaging to confirm that decision, as officially, I have no power to add members, as of now. --Yuanls(talk) 20:37, 12 February 2016 (GMT)
O but yes, you do Yanls! My intention is to make this a very broad organisation, so theoretically every Eastern Ulethan nation is welcome to join, just "apply" on this Talk page. So Mergany is welcome to join as well. I already mentioned my reservations regarding the Mergan names somewhere, but as long as they are accepted by the owners/moderators of OGF I see no reason to refuse Mergany as potential EUOIA member state :) --Rasmus Rasmusson (talk) 21:49, 12 February 2016 (CET)
Thanks a lot! I already improved some names and hopefully I never "lose interest in elaborating [my] country". Is there anything I can contribute to EUOIA at the moment? --Mstr (talk) 23:39, 12 February 2016 (GMT)
Mostly discussion regarding the nature of the organisation; whether it's a low or more intensive profile organisation... --Rasmus Rasmusson (talk) 00:32, 13 February 2016 (CET)
I would prefer an organization containing all matters, maybe not for all members (if they have their own ideas), but seeing EUOIA as a head organization which could take care of all issues the members do not want to take care of and of course promote the cross-linking of infrastructure, economy, ... in eastern Uletha. I'm not sure if I - as a new member - can participate in the discussion of basic decisions: using EUOIA as a word in a sentence, it is very hard to pronounce it (in all languages I know). Replacing the word Organis(z?)ation by Coalition or Partnership or something similar would solve this "problem"? --Mstr (talk) 18:36, 13 February 2016 (CET)
Regarding the pronunciation: I intended it to be something like /youwoya/ or /eewoya/ as pronouncing all five initials separately would indeed be complicated. In Wystrian it will probably become something like Ah Uletha Headhyr Beesse Gacenne (AUHBG), which is not easy to pronounce either. Perhaps it would be the most convenient if /youwoya/ or /eewoya/ is adopted in the languages of all member states, also in order to avoid confusion. (And EUOIA is of course a small joke as only vowels are used, but if it is really troublesome we can change it.)
I agree with the idea of facilitating several issues by separate treaties and leave it up to the member states if they join each of those treaties or not. --Rasmus Rasmusson (talk) 19:19, 13 February 2016 (CET)
Do you think we should advertise the organisation through the User Diary section? It might be a useful way to gain members. Or alternatively we can use private messages to message people who aren't normally available as well (E.g. Hellerick) --Yuanls (talk) 19:27, 13 February 2016 (GMT)
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eastern Uletha
Advertising would speed-up the procedure, but what exactly shall we advertise? What belongs to "eastern" Uletha? other regional unions (economic, military, ...) in order to campare to are so far: South-West Astrasian Economic Alliance (SWAEA), Central Archanta Economic Union, Southern Uletha Economic Cooperation Council -> also in Uletha --Mstr (talk) 20:39, 13 February 2016 (CET)
I would have thought the area of admission would likely be any country north of the latitude of Belphemia and anywhere east of the longitude of Darcodia. --Yuanls (talk) 20:09, 13 February 2016 (GMT)
Let's keep it undefined for now. It would be a pity if we excluded potentially active member states on forehand based on a geographical technicality. We could make the discussion if a country is eastern ulethan enough part of the joining procedure. --Rasmus Rasmusson (talk) 21:15, 13 February 2016 (CET)
I agree, to list the potential nations was only the first idea whom to ask for becoming a member, if there should be advertisement --Mstr (talk) 21:27, 13 February 2016 (CET)

Østermark Would like to participate, although it's a small and poor country with a big chip on its shoulder and, once I get writing more, sanctions against it for its whaling. Plus it's pissed off for having to share its island with the much more powerful Nucia, with which it has mixed relations at best. I would imagine that it would be under constant threat of being kicked out of the EUOIA but desperately wants to be part of it for the benefits. I would also imagine that the other nations involved would also find Østermark's involvement grating, because they contribute as little as they can while taking as much they can. --Demuth (talk) 11:44, 14 February 2016 (CET)

I think Østermark will be an asset to EUOIA as far as I'm personally concerned (Wyster may be less amused if Østermark behaves indeed like you describe); after all, it would be rather boring if all member states are friendly and cooperative :) --Rasmus Rasmusson (talk) 11:53, 14 February 2016 (CET)
Exactly. Stir things up a bit! --Demuth (talk) 12:05, 14 February 2016 (CET)

Orinoco would like to participate --Easky30 (talk)

Belphenia would like to participate for economic reasons. BelpheniaProject (talk) 19:14, 12 March 2016 (CET)

Sãikyel would like to participate. Stara Zagora (talk) 03:14, 16 September 2016 (CEST)

Mauretia would like to be considered for participation, especially if it is for defense, environmental, and economic cooperation. I'm not in favor of a monetary or judicial union at this time, however. Alessa (talk) 02:21, 19 September 2016 (CEST)

Both countries are welcome to join! Please add yourselves to the wiki page. |Yuanls (talk) 08:13, 19 September 2016 (CEST)

Teberia would like to participate, too. --Doktorpixel14 (talk) 15:44, 23 February 2017 (CET)

You're welcome!--Mstr (talk) 06:37, 24 February 2017 (CET) THIS COUNTRY DOESN'T EXIST ANYMORE

Nelavia would like to participate. --Avit (talk) 19:41, 1 March 2017 (CET)

You are welcome to join! Please add your country's name to the list. Yuanls (talk) 20:21, 1 March 2017 (CET) DOES THIS COUNTRY STILL EXIST?

Eshein would like to participate --User:ifgus

Of course! Add your name to the list. -Yuanls (talk) 23:06, 7 March 2017 (CET)

I'm not sure to what degree exactly the cooperation between members is supposed to go; I don't think it would make sense for Kojo to join a EU-like transnational projects, but if it's "just" a very close political alliance of fully independent member states without a common legislature, Kojo would like to apply for membership.Leowezy (talk) 18:04, 19 March 2017 (CET)

Kojo is welcome to join, just add yourself to the list. On the subject of organisation, it does not appear to be as tightly bound as the EU is in real life. Look at talk:Eastern Ulethan Organisation of Independent Allies#organisation for more information. It appears to be a mostly economic union, although it has not been updated for quite a while now. I'm certain that we could clarify this if it was discussed. Yuanls (talk) 19:36, 19 March 2017 (CET)
Welcome Kojo!--Mstr (talk) 21:17, 19 March 2017 (CET)
Welcome aboard! One of the reasons Mauretia is involved is because it is a loose organization. That greatly appeals to me, as opposed to an EU-like group. Alessa (talk) 21:55, 19 March 2017 (CET)

Eelanti would like to participate and it was invited by Mauretia. So is it okay for Eelanti to join? Eevee (talk) 16:06, 3 December 2017 (CET)

Welcome to the EUOIA! Feel free to add yourself to the table of involvement above and the different discussions as you see fit. &mdash; Alessa <sub>(talk)</sub> 16:48, 3 December 2017 (CET)

Aressia can participate? --Jesus Antonio (talk) 03:25, 11 February 2018 (CET)

Esthyra would like to participate. We like an open border and some international trades. --Austinhuang (talk) 04:16, 11 February 2018 (CET)
Esthyra is welcome to join EUOIA. Feel free to add yourself to the table of involvement above and the different discussions as you see fit. Regarding Aressia I noticed that a week after the request was made, Jesus Antonio asked admins to delete the wiki page about Aressia. Is this request still active, or perhaps for another country? -- Rasmus Rasmusson (talk) 13:56, 4 March 2018 (CET)
It's Garzibania now. I'll ask him about his participation. --Austinhuang (talk) 18:26, 4 March 2018 (CET)
Yes, i like to join --Jesus Antonio (talk) 23:16, 12 March 2018 (CET) GARZIBANIA'S PARTICIPATION UNCONFIRMED AS OF 4 AUGUST 2018

The small, and frankly underdeveloped Arcantonie would like to be able to join the EUOIA. This is due to my wishing to broaden economic horizons with other neighbours, however due to Arcan canon the country has been historically isolated as a result of numerous pseudo-civil wars and authoritarian rule. If I were to become a member, it will have probably only been recently eg) post-2000 due to internal politics. --Jake Knight (talk) 10:29, 14 June 2018 (GMT)

Hi, Jake. Sorry I just now saw this request when looking up something on this page. I've added your country to the list! Be sure to fill out how your country fits into the organization using the table above. If you need help with it, don't hesitate to ask. &mdash; Alessa <sub>(talk)</sub> 20:16, 3 July 2018 (CEST)

New discussion on the proposal (if any)

Mauretia affirms the actions and resolutions of the right and honorable dignitary from Wyster and would like under these circumstances to be a founding member (FM). It is in agreement that a parliament is not needed at this time and applauds the ideas put forth. Mauretia respectfully submits the possibility, given the generally peaceful nature of our planet, that one possible motivation behind the EUOIA founding was a peaceful collaborative effort as added above. :) &mdash; Alessa <sub>(talk)</sub> 19:59, 5 July 2017 (CEST)

I believe that the two BoG members from each country shouldn't be its leader but some elected "ambassadors", for instance like in the UN. I'm also siding the BoG will meet, like Alessa said, every other month or even once a month, and that's exactly why I think the leaders shouldn't be in the BoG. The leaders are swamped with governing their country as they can't do this too. With elected ambassadors, this is their only concern and it looks more realistic. with my idea of the BoG, it also needs a speaker, which should be the second most important individual in EUOIA, after the secretary general and the BoG should sit in a permanent place, maybe like Alessa said, in the Secretariat. I think the building Mstr have already mapped can be this building. About the parliament, I agree it's not necessary at the moment. maybe somewhere in the future. About the history, until we won't have an organized timeline we'll stay right where we are so I think that 1962 should be the year and every country will adjust it's history around it, otherwise nothing will happened. Ifgus (talk) 01:51, 23 July 2017 (EEST)

I agree with most of this, except the parmanent place: a rotating system would give the member states the opportunity to "show off" to each other (e.g. present their most modern, most idyllic, most historical meeting locations), so that's why I find that option more attractive. I agree however that this will become too chaotic if meetings are held every two months (what will they talk about btw?) so in that case a host country could be proposed for the duration of six months (like the European Union has); this could e.g. be the native country of the BoG speaker. -- Rasmus Rasmusson (talk) 01:25, 23 July 2017 (CEST)
I see your point and I agree Ifgus (talk) 15:14, 23 July 2017 (EEST)

I think it's tine to vote and decide about the year (unless 1962 had been already chosen) and reason of establishment. I'm currently trying to build Eshein's history and the organization is a big part of it (at least I want it to be) so I think it's time to determine the history of the EUOIA, maybe a simple timeline? --Ifgus (talk) 01:22, 20 September 2017 (EEST)

For me 1962 is OK, unless there are better suggestions. What kind of major events (if any at all, apart from new members joining) will have taken place since EUOIA's creation? -- Rasmus Rasmusson (talk) 08:54, 20 September 2017 (CEST)
I am also okay with 1962, but why did it form? For me, that's the determiner of the year. There seems to be the largest number of founding members if it had been a peaceful streamlining of existing treaties. Here's why I like this idea and the date of 1962: This year serves as an almost midway point between the last major global war and the present but is still in the aftermath of the conflict; countries are going to have their own complicated nexus of treaties and agreements, and the Glaster situation seems to still be very raw. Various eastern Ulethan states are going to be motivated to work together at this time. The EUOIA, if ratified and started in 1962, would be a logical consolidation of these treaties (hence, the tiered, multi-level membership) and done in the spirit of cooperation needed to form such an organization. This frees up users to have whatever treaties they would want with other EUOIA states before 1962. For example, Mauretia and Raiden already had a non-aggression pact and other cooperative efforts. Let's say that Eshein, Mergany, and Teberia were apart of that; then, this five-country treaty easily becomes a cornerstone of the EUOIA non-aggression treaty. Anyway, I'm all in for the 1962 and the peaceful cooperative reason for formation. In honor of the first edit on OGF, I'll have Mauretia's official ratification date be 25 November 1962. &mdash; Alessa <sub>(talk)</sub> 15:37, 20 September 2017 (CEST)
I think 1952 is a sensible year to choose, and Alessa has explained it well. Although this does not affect either Glaster or Agarderia, as they joined later.
Eshein took a part in the war, fighting with Ingeland, therefor it probably needed help recovering from the war. I think the EUOIA may was that help, besides the non-aggression pact, the organization could start as a joint effort of the 5 founding members to help each other recover from the war? Ifgus (talk) 12:38, 21 September 2017 (EEST)

Old discussion

Currency

I think all member states need to share a Currency and a license plate, much like the EU. --Ifgus (talk) 17:00, 19 march 2017

I think not. The EUOIA appears to abide by a far looser system than the current EU. However, this information is very outdated and will have to require further discussion. Yuanls (talk) 19:41, 19 March 2017 (CET)
I agree. Any restriction concerning national independency will limit the progress. But I think it does not mean that there must not be a common currency etc. In the case that several contries see it as a benefit (because they are not interested in the effort to have their own currency) they can collaborate of course. There are many issues that are too large for a single nation to handle.--Mstr (talk) 21:16, 19 March 2017 (CET)
I also agree with Yuanls. One of the thing that appeals most to me (and some other users) about the EUOIA is the fact that countries do not have to fork over sovereignty. I know that Mauretia would never agree to a monetary union or a few other things below. From its perspective, the country is a bit too Ulethoskeptic. If you wanted a currency union with some other member states, I'd encourage it. A few countries in Tarephia have already done so. Check the area below: there are some countries that are open to it. Alessa (talk) 23:29, 20 March 2017 (CET)
you should read this http://www.pamojaeducation.com/course-companion/economics-eText/higher_level/module4_hl/page_29.htm
There are many advantages of a shared currency and not just the matter of putting effort in my own currency. I already have one. And if you are still against it, I thunk the rest of the organization's structure should be like EU, a parliament that gets it's power from the governments of the member States. ifgus (talk) 02:27, 21 March 2017 (EET)
Thank you for the link. I can only speak for myself here; but when I started Mauretia, I actually considered this very issue and weighed it carefully. It was part of a series of questions I asked myself about how advanced the country would be, its industries, how its economy would mix with others, etc. With regards to having the EUOIA be like the EU, I and many other users would respectfully disagree. That type of external control is not many of us want. Now, if you mean that the EUOIA has a parliament like the EU does, I think that's a great discussion. Is there some type of decision-making entity? Maybe it would be a council of ambassadors or a rotating semiannual summit? Personally, I'd like to see the EUOIA find its own way and not be modeled off of anything real-world. Perhaps others agree or disagree. I'd be interested to see what people say. Alessa (talk) 03:09, 21 March 2017 (CET)

Purpose

What should be this organisation's purpose?

Maybe as a counterweight against a powerful, aggressive country? When (or if) I finish Glaster, I am going to try and claim either UL085, UL070B, UL175 or some small island country. Perhaps we should advertise this in the diary section of OGF. --Yuanls (talk) 21:42, 9 January 2016 (GMT)
Country owners helping country owners with expert advice? (Origin) --Austinhuang (talk) 22:32, 10 March 2018 (CET)

History

Is EUOIA founded now, or was it founded somewhere in the past? If the latter; what has happened since?

Well if it's an alliance headed by Wyster, Glaster (or historically North Glaster) would probably have been involved in it as well. There was a bout of hostility between Ingerland and North Glaster in the 1960s, but I haven't yet explained why. Perhaps this has something to do with it?--Yuanls (talk) 15:50, 9 January 2016 (GMT)
I think The Organization founding time should be somewhere around the world war. It's always a time when organizations like EUOIA are created. Maby EUOIA Fought as one body? or perhaps is was founded as a result of the war, for the "next time"?--Ifgus (talk) 22:55, 27 March 2017 (EEST)
I would not believe this would be quite possible for Agarderia and Glaster. They were heavily supported by both Ingerland and Commonia. Both North Glaster and Agarderia fell to communism after the war. There is also the question of what nation(s) the theoretical alliance fought against. Commonia? UL099? Each other? Many of these questions will require further discussion. Providing that the only power that had significant interests in Eastern Uletha at this time was Commonia, and they were absolutely destroyed following the World War, I do not think your option is quite feasible. Perhaps Eastern Uletha came together afterwards as a sign of unity. Or perhaps their alliance was a part of a preexisting prewar anti-Commonian agreement. Yuanls (talk) 23:41, 27 March 2017 (CEST)
I agree that the post-war period would likely be a good time. But, remember that most of these real-world organizations started small (both in number of countries and scope). The EU was birthed out of the limited-area ECSC (1951 Treaty of Paris). Like Agarderia and Glaster, Mauretia would not likely be a founding member of the EUOIA. I could see it joining in an initial wave of expansion, which would be before Agarderia and Glaster. Therefore, I think a rolling timeline of member countries joining (much like the EU expanding) would be a good thing. This also means that the bureaucracy and lunacy of hoops countries have to jump through would be greater in later years. At the same time, that would easily account for the varying levels of involvement we have in our supertable at the top of the page. For example, Mauretia would not have joined a customs union. It would have joined other pursuits, however. Maybe that by 1975 some of these things came into being and made it worth the effort. This could explain why Mauretia is involved in the research and sciences but not in the military aspects; most potential military ideas would have been unappealing.
All this to say that perhaps pinning the timeline down rigidly when there is still a fluid membership may not be the wisest. For now, I'd endorse some vague statements like "the EUOIA originated out of ideas that spread at the conclusion of the last war." If you're really craving a history for the organization, perhaps something like this will serve as a starting point: "Smaller international agreements were gradually folded into the larger organization and expanded to other potential participants. In this way, the EUOIA gradually grew from an idea of intergovernmental cooperation to a complex umbrella organization that manages and promotes many different tiers of involvement." Cheers. Alessa (talk) 06:02, 28 March 2017 (CEST)

It's been a long time since something happened with EUOIA. I think it's time to start adding stuff to the page so the organization will begin to take shape. otherwise nothing happens. I believe that the first thing we have to do is timeline and to discuss the exact year of establishment and exactly how the EUOIA was created?, which countries started it? Let me know what you think. --Ifgus (talk) 17:00, 6 may 2017 (eest)

History is the most difficult issue, since most countries don't have a history and there is no world history. There are many inactive countries in the EUOIA region, so I hope we can get more members in the future. Maybe the EUOIA was founded because of economic reasons? or after a war? I think it is not so important yet, when and how it was founded, because it does not influence mapping. Countries should decide which role they want to play first. --Mstr (talk) 00:18, 7 May 2017 (CEST)
For member states without a history yet, this should be easypeasy: they can just add whatever we decide concerning the international events that created the need to establish EUOIA and add their own national history around it.
Regarding the reason why EUOIA was created, perhaps we should take the name literally: the Independent Allies suggest that there may be or may have been a not so independent organisation, e.g. a powerful (criminal?) economic organisation or ideology that somehow forced/blackmailed entire countries to adopt their system, leaving national governments powerless with democracy remaining in place only as a façade and corrupt politicians ruling the country. This system was eventually toppled by e.g. civil underground organisations and/or revolutions, after which the first 'liberated' countries founded EUOIA.
For this we would need a) a nasty economic system, and b) countries that are willing to adopt this system - at least as a part of their history (let's say that the system was at its height between the 30's and the 60's or so, with the EUIOA being founded e.g. in the 60's).
The advantage of having a non-territorial 'super power' is that countries themselves don't have to be the bad guys (we don't need superpower states) and we don't need to ask countries to play the bad guy role. If we define that the nasty economic system still exists, we don't need to determine which countries (obviously not member states of EUOIA) are still ruled by it; if a third player offers his country to take up that role all the better, but it's not really necessary for our purpose, I think.
Note that introducing an international (criminal) economic organisation as the Bad Guy may cause EUOIA member states having put in place some governmental back-up systems in order to avoid that private economic organisations don't get as much power as the (criminal) economic organisation gained. This means that e.g. libertarian systems will probably be out of the question in the EUOIA member states. If you think this touches too much your liberty to develop your country as you wish, we should find an alternative for the economic part (perhaps a religious sect or something like that?). --Rasmus Rasmusson (talk) 14:33, 6 June 2017 (CEST)

Question about possible formats, moved from above (August 4th, 2018):

The EUOIA was founded in 1962 as (choose between the following by adding your country template behind one or more of the following options, and indicate if your country would have been a founding member (FM) in that scenario or joined later (JL)):

  • a reaction against a dominant military power with an unlikeable ideology (possibly because of a war with said power); Template:Wyster (FM/JL), MauretiaFlag-new.svg Mauretia (FM if Commonia or a few select other places, JL otherwise), Esheinflag.png Eshein (FM)
  • the successor organisation to a dismantled empire to which the founding member states belonged; Template:Wyster (JL), Template:Glaster[(FM), MauretiaFlag-new.svg Mauretia (JL)
  • a reaction against an international criminal syndicate that owned large amounts of assets in the founding member states and had a strong influence on some governments. Military insurrection ensured that the syndicate was thwarted (although it still may exist outside EUOIA) and EUOIA was created as a watch dog. Template:Wyster (FM), Template:Glaster (JL, FM if origin in Commonia), MauretiaFlag-new.svg Mauretia (FM if non-eastern Ulethan origin, JL otherwise), Kojo flag ddtuga.png Kojo (JL), Template:Esthyra (JL)
  • other: write your suggestion below:
Page

I wrote this history paragraph. let me know what you guys think is missing or needs to be changed: 

After The World War, Eastern Uletha suffered a huge economic catastrophe, much like the rest of the world. The countries where struggling to become steady again, to stabilize their economy and to rebuild what was demolished. 
In April 20, 1962, Wyster, Mauretia, Mergany, Kojo and Eshein singed the Imperium Treaty which ordered the establishment of the Eastern Ulethan Economic Support Alliance. The the goal of this economic organization was supporting each other economically to rebound from the catastrophe. 
In January 10, 1968, during a meeting of the alliance in Iola, for the fist time the nations started to think about expending the alliance to other fields such and trade, education, foreign relations, etc. but no decision was made.
In July 3, 1976, during a meeting of the alliance in Bad Stanncatt, the Bad Stanncatt Treaty was singed and ordered on the expansion of the fields that the organization is responsible to and was, in fact, the beginning of the organization as it is today.

Ifgus (talk) 22:39, 15 June 2018 (EET)

This is OK as far as I/Wyster am concerned. The World War hasn't been elaborated much yet though (as far as I can tell) but we can use that as a vague background reason for the time being. If it turns out that the idea of the World War doesn't really fit in EUOIA's history, we can always come up with something else. -- Rasmus Rasmusson (talk) 10:41, 4 August 2018 (CEST)
Glastian Unification

If the EUOIA was around at the time, what would its stance be concerning the Glastian unification of 1979? Glaster was properly recognised as an existing nation in 1982. If you want some background information, read Glaster's wiki page. The Third Glastian Civil War page might help as well.

Situation of Glaster

I'd rather have a date from 1959 to 1961, maybe, for extremely convoluted historical and political reasons I will explain below. These reasons are, by all means, canon but are confined to my sandbox pages because of overwikification.

  • Commonian coup in Glaster in October 1947 results in the establishment of the Glastian Social Republic, which collapses the following month from a joint invasion by North Glaster, South Glaster, Latania, Agarderia and Communist Glaster.
  • Communist Glaster now have a section of eastern Agarderia, as well as the northernmost parts of Glaster, under occupation.
    File:Glaster Occupation.png
    Glastian occupation in red
  • Following the very brief Glastian-Agardirian War of 1948, Agarderia regained control of Glastian-occupied territories as a separate autonomous region. It was governed by the now-subordinate government of Communist North Glaster, which was based in Hevaney in Agarderia.
  • The Glastian government had full control of northern occupied Glaster, although Agarderian troops were present there to keep the Glastian government in line.

This takes me up to the end of my current, in-depth, historical planning. What comes next is yet to be written and involves an increase of Glastian nationalism in the early 50s, discontent of the Agarderian military presence and the eventual collapse of the Glastian occupation as a result, and a reunification with North Glaster. There was probably some tense standoff and possibly some small skirmishes between the democratic nations and the Communist-aligned nations of Karamsk, Latania and Agarderia. Neither North or South Glaster could join the EUOIA, unless Wyster was absent, as the Treaty of Mealle from 1828 banned any types of alliance between Glaster and Wyster. As a result, Glaster probably only joined the EUIOA in 1979. Sorry for all of this text, but I hope it helped form some new ideas. Yuanls (talk) 21:30, 5 July 2017 (CEST)

So we can leave 1962 as it is? :) -- Rasmus Rasmusson (talk) 21:35, 5 July 2017 (CEST)
My reading of that makes me think we could leave it at 1962, but discussions and initial treaties could have started as early as 1959. After all, something this big would take time to pull off. Look how long it took the EU to come together, and they had the benefit of foundational organizations already in place. &mdash; Alessa <sub>(talk)</sub> 02:24, 6 July 2017 (CEST)
I agree. -- Rasmus Rasmusson (talk) 12:12, 6 July 2017 (CEST)
I see what you mean and agree with your point. Yuanls (talk) 17:27, 6 July 2017 (CEST)

Organisation

Sub-organisations, sub-committees, headquarters, office locations, leading officials, ...

Before creating sub-organizations, we need a decision which issues could be covered by the EUOIA. I think it will take some time until we have some more members, but if there are at least 2 or 3 nations, which want to collaborate in an issue under the head of EUOIA, they can do so and EUOIA should provide a framework for it. This should be an ongoing process to give all future members the chance to play their role within the organization (and in order to avoid such a circus like the participation in the OGFIFA World Cup). At the moment there might be a headquarter (including a parliament or not?) and embassies of the members at some place (comparable to the Assembly of Nations in St. Richards), maybe somewhere in Wyster (as the initiating country)? --Mstr (talk) 19:03, 13 February 2016 (CET)
I agree that the sub-organisations (sorry, yes; I prefer the spelling with -s- for aesthetic reasons (I find -z- too 'agressive') and because it's used more often in Europe) should be created only after we have decided what EUOIA does for its member states. We can create a 'wish-list' to which participants can add issues. (see below). The Wystrian capital of Hreawirc could be a sufficiently neutral location for the EUOIA Headquarters; I don't mind if it's located elswhere, as long as the choice of the location is logical), so let's see first if other participants want their countries to take part. --Rasmus Rasmusson (talk) 19:49, 13 February 2016 (CET)
What does your country want EUOIA to be/do?
  • Joint foreign policy: Wyster?, Glaster, Mergany, Mauretia?
  • Joint defense system: Mergany, Østermark, Eshein, Mauretia (but only to some degree)
  • Joint humanitarian aid: Mergany, Wyster, Glaster, Østermark as long as it is the recipient of much of the aid which of course it would squander, Eshein, Mauretia
  • Monetary Union: Wyster, Glaster(Maybe), Mergany (maybe)
  • Open borders: Wyster?, Mergany, Eshein
  • Joint legal system: Mergany (international questions), Wyster (idem), Eshein
  • Economy exchange: Mergany (free access for private companies within EUOIA as far as possible), Glaster, Østermark, Mauretia (but no further than Mergany wants)
  • Sustainability and environment protection: Mergany, Wyster, Glaster, Østermark would be in constant threat of being kicked out for this but I think this should definitely be a purpose, Mauretia
  • Open market within EUOIA with internal market protection against non-EUOIAn markets: Wyster? Glaster
Does this duplicate with the table above? --Austinhuang (talk) 22:32, 10 March 2018 (CET)
Flag

First proposals for a EUOIA flag

Flag proposal

this proposal includes:

  • 13 yellow/gold rings arranged in a ring (rings symbolize closeness/solidarity, 13 symbolizes ?, gold symbolizes wealth)
  • rising sun (symbolizes the east)
  • blue and white/grey color (blue for confidence, grey for wisdom or white for peace)

--Mstr (talk) 04:53, 21 February 2016 (CET)

Nice! Between these four I'd go for the gold rings + white sun version, as the white stands out better against the blue I think. --Rasmus Rasmusson (talk) 09:45, 21 February 2016 (CET)
Here a revised version of it
Flag proposal
--Mstr (talk) 00:14, 27 February 2016 (CET)
Structure

I added some notes on the main EUOIA page about EUOIA's structure: Board of Governors, Secretariat, Parliament?, with the latter containing a question mark, as I think that a parliament should be created only if EUOIA will affect the member states' citizens' lives directly (e.g. deciding if they can buy plastic bags, what medications are supposed to be healthy, etc.), i.e. when EUOIA turns out to become really influential; but feel free to differ of opinion on this one :) --Rasmus Rasmusson (talk) 10:22, 21 February 2016 (CET)

Foreign affairs

What do you think about EUOIAn embassies in small countries on other continents instead of every country building its own? --Mstr (talk) 23:23, 27 May 2016 (CEST)

That could be practical. I'm not against that idea. --Rasmus Rasmusson (talk) 09:12, 28 May 2016 (CEST)
I agree with the new idea. BelpheniaProject (talk) 10:58, 28 May 2016 (CEST)
totally for it.ifgus (talk) 22:29, 20 march 2017 (EET)
Board of Governors, Secretariat and Parliament? Any more?

Was there any decision concerning different organisations within EUOIA? What do we need? Here are some of my ideas, please comment, complete,...

--Mstr (talk) 21:54, 19 March 2017 (CET)

See below for more discussion: the necessity of some of the mentioned organisations depends on how deeply integrated EUOIA will be. E.g. a parliament, a space agency, perhaps even a central bank don't really seem necessary unless EUOIA will be some kind of European Union. Also I see that I mapped a building for the Board of Governors, but as these are the government leaders of each country who will probably meet only once or twice a year, a separate building just for that seems unnecessary. --Rasmus Rasmusson (talk) 17:41, 5 July 2017 (CEST)
Board of Governors

Under Organisation is written: "The Board of Governors (BoG) is the highest governing level of EUOIA and consists of the government leaders of the member states". However, below that line it is stated in the table that each member states has two seats in the Board of Governors. Since most countries have only one government leader, who is the second person? --Rasmus Rasmusson (talk) 13:29, 5 July 2017 (CEST)

I might be wrong, but I take it to mean that there are two government officials from each country. Whether or not that is the prime minister/president/monarch/etc. is up to the country. At least, that's how I take it. Maybe I'm wrong here. &mdash; Alessa <sub>(talk)</sub> 16:56, 5 July 2017 (CEST)
That could be a possibility.. In the case of Wyster it would probably be the prime minister and the minister of foreign affairs. But I'm curious after other possibilities! --Rasmus Rasmusson (talk) 17:31, 5 July 2017 (CEST)
If this is the case, Mauretia could choose two people from a myriad of options. Here's ten that I thought of just off the top of my head: (1) Cabinet foreign affairs minister; (2) Parliamentarian chair of foreign affairs committee; (3) Permanent unelected envoy (not ambassador level) from the queen; (4) Permanent elected envoy from the queen; (5) A new ambassador to the EUOIA; (6) A sitting ambassador to another EUOIA country (like Viljanni, since that's where the BoG meets); (7) Princess Nura or current heir to the throne; (8) Prime minister; (9) Queen Gabriela herself (doubtful); (10) Some random guy named Yos (Joe)&hellip; a lot of possibilities. &mdash; Alessa <sub>(talk)</sub> 17:48, 5 July 2017 (CEST)
I see your point. In that case it is maybe better to have each member state appoint two random diplomats for its two BoG seats.<br>Btw the BoG doesn't meet in Viljanni; that was the proposed location for the parliament. Wyster was the proposed location for the BoG, but as discussed below two to six meetings per year don't really require a special building for that. They can organise their meetings in a different member state each time. -- Rasmus Rasmusson (talk) 17:53, 5 July 2017 (CEST)
Ah, yes. Thank you for the correction. I was mistaken on which one was the BoG. I agree that a special building really isn't needed then with that few meetings. If there were to be a single, centralized location, it could just be a meeting space in the same building as the Secretariat. That way it's one building. But, I like the idea of rotating meetings! That shares responsibility, travel, etc. among all member countries. Let's add that to the list of clear, concise ideas you propose below. &mdash; Alessa <sub>(talk)</sub> 18:09, 5 July 2017 (CEST)
President, Secretary General

In the info table at the top on the right a President of EUOIA is mentioned; where does this function fit in the organisation? Could (s)he be the president of the Board of Governors? How is (s)he appointed?<br> The name of the Secretary General is also mentioned already; under The Secretariat is written "The Secretariat is responsible for the daily management of EUOIA and is headed by the Secretary General, who is nominated by one of the member states according to a rotating system but who has to be confirmed by the BoG. The Secretary General serves one term of 5 years." In order for the SecGens (including the present one) to be known, we should know when EUOIA was founded and what the rotating system will be.--Rasmus Rasmusson (talk) 13:44, 5 July 2017 (CEST)

I'm also confused as to how these fit in also. I feel like we've just (hurriedly) copied an EU-like model instead of going through the hard process of figuring out our own system. For example, I'm very concerned about why there is both a BoG and a parliament. Considering we have a flexible and rolling membership, I don't see what roles these would have. For example, let's assume that the president is really the figurehead of the BoG. I do think having a point person be the leader of the BoG could be a good idea, but it won't always work right. Why would a president from Agarderia be willing to lead discussions, speak with other nations, and craft resolutions for the EUDC when Agarderia isn't even a participant in that part of the organization? Mauretia would be needed for things relevant to non-aggression, so why would other countries want its votes tipping the scales in other EUDC discussions? With a decentralized system, having a single strong, outspoken president is not going to fit this model. What about the Secretariat? What role would that even serve? The same goes for parliament. To me parliament seems useless and an overreach into sovereignty, to be honest. Are there any ideas of how we might make something more creative and fitting to our different membership levels? &mdash; Alessa <sub>(talk)</sub> 16:56, 5 July 2017 (CEST)
I agree with most of this; a parliament isn't necessary until a deep political integration of the member states is wanted by the member states - which doesn't seem the case at the moment. <br>The same for a president - as head of the BoG or in another form: I have the impression that this function will be exactly the same as that of the Secretary General, so I propose that we remove it. <br>Technically speaking the BoG doesn't need a fixed president; it convenes probably just once or twice a year for policy making, adopting resolutions etc., so they can appoint a president of each meeting at those moments. <br>The Secretariat however is the daily organisation of EUOIA: it has mostly administrative tasks and doesn't make policies (that is the BoG's task), but the Secretary General is EUOIA's face to the world. --Rasmus Rasmusson (talk) 17:28, 5 July 2017 (CEST)
That makes sense, Rasmus. I think the BoG is sufficient too. I also really like your idea of a president that can be a figurehead on a meeting-to-meeting basis. In reality, the "president" is just the person who governs the meetings. That seems logical. I'd imagine that without a parliament that met regularly, the BoG would want to meet a little more than twice a year. There may not be a lot of integration between the countries, but not a lot gets done in just two meetings. Maybe every other month? That would be six meetings a year. I'd imagine emergency meetings could be called as needed. As for the Secretary General, I agree about the duplication and support removing it unless it is the head of the Secretariat. It seems needless. Also, thanks for clearing up the Secretariat for me. I still wonder, however, if a Secretary General from one country can really be a good face-to-the-world if it's not representing all aspects of the EUOIA. Maybe they can. Maybe I just don't trust politicians. :) &mdash; Alessa <sub>(talk)</sub> 17:37, 5 July 2017 (CEST)
The president of BoG would be the one who chairs the meetings; probably he or she is appointed at the start of every meeting, so he or she is not someone who can be the 'face' of EUOIA. That's why I prefer to keep the Secretary General for that. A Secretary General's foremost task is to represent EUOIA by the way, and not his or her country of origin, so it doesn't really matter if his or her country of origin doesn't participate in all aspects of the EUOIA. The table at the top of this page suggests that it will be really difficult to find countries that participate in all aspects anyway :) -- Rasmus Rasmusson (talk) 17:45, 5 July 2017 (CEST)
Good thinking, Rasmus. I like this a lot. I'm curious to see what others think about it. It's logical and fits our flexible needs. Of course, we'd have to figure out how the EUOIA Secretary General is decided, how long a term is, when members joined etc. That brings us back to your original questions. Sorry for the round-about, but we've had a good discussion! :) &mdash; Alessa <sub>(talk)</sub> 17:52, 5 July 2017 (CEST)
Thanks, I've had some experience with fictional organisations in the past :) <br>Seeing as there is a lot of confused information on this page and on the main site, I will see if I can summarise it in something that is better readable with some clear propositions; I've still a few holiday days left :) -- Rasmus Rasmusson (talk) 17:58, 5 July 2017 (CEST)
Great, Rasmus. If you're willing to pull all the bureaucratic items together into something small, go for it. Let me know if you need me to do anything. &mdash; Alessa <sub>(talk)</sub> 18:10, 5 July 2017 (CEST)</text>

What is the status of EUOIA?

In the old wiki, we had EUOIA. Now that the old wiki is going, I'm wondering what is the status of EUOIA? Will it still be a thing? There seems to be very few mentions of it in the current wiki and of course most of the old information will be gone soon so even if it still shows on the map somewhere, there's very little information around. —Unsigned comment by Eevee (talk).

Honestly, I'm not sure how much interest there is in the EUOIA at this point in time. Perhaps there is some?
If there is interest in the EUOIA, there are two options that are possible for active regional collaborations: A collab page can be made (such as Collab:Eastern Ulethan Organisation of Independent Allies that is for regional collaboration, discussion, and coordination; also, if there is a desire for an in-universe article, the EUOIA page can be made in the main namespace. We only ask that EUOIA article (not collab page) be reserved for in-universe and on-map documentation like an encyclopedia entry; user-to-user coordination and collaboration should be in a collab page. Feel free to ask me directly if you have other questions. — Alessa (talk) 21:52, 21 February 2022 (UTC)
Izaland would be now interested in an active role in EUOIA now, since in the meantime I have been mapping it significantly, and probably Izaland would also be the major economy in Eastern Uletha. (by Izaland - 10:41 JST 21 February 2022 [sorry, I don't know how to use the signature in the wiki])
Eelanti is still interested in EUOIA as well and could have some role in it too. So I guess if there are a few others it could still be a thing. I'm not sure how to reach other people best to see if there is interest. (Signature is "~~~~" btw) — Eevee (talk) 01:52, 22 February 2022 (UTC)
I can't think of any major influence on my mapping that came from being part of EUOIA; so unless that changes, i.e. by having communal military bases or hosting foreign ones, a common nomenclature for nature reserves (like EU's FFH) or what not, the EUOIA would for the most part still be a wiki-sided project with few reflections on the actual map. That doesn't mean Kojo wouldn't be part of a new EUOIA, but I'd personally prefer if we thought about the mapping-side of things first.Leowezy (talk) 09:06, 22 February 2022 (UTC)
It definitely should be visible on the map. But that does require some collaboration first. The EU for example has many different office buildings in different countries. As an example, the European Chemicals Agency in Helsinki. So it definitely could include many map based things in addition to potential parliament buildings, courts, EUOIA embassies etc. But that would be for the community to decide. The old EUOIA had some suborganisations, but we probably would need an active core to EUOIA to get the basic stuff decided, so that it could be mapped as well. — Eevee (talk) 20:41, 22 February 2022 (UTC)
For what it's worth, my country, Kara, would be interested in a EUOIA although it wasn't a member before (it didn't exist 😉) Anonymous21 (talk) 14:41, 10 March 2022 (UTC)
From my side there is also interest in a new EUOIA. There was some cooperation ongoing, we built a rail transport corridor across the islands from the south to the north of Eastern Uletha, electricity lines and so on. --Mstr (talk) (talk) 17:55, 2 July 2022 (UTC)
Neberly wasn't part of EUOIA before, but should it come back i would like it to be a member too. Antoon (talk) 16:45, 4 July 2022 (UTC)
As there seems to be growing interest in this, how should we continue our discussions and find new members? Mstr sentt me a message and I shared some thought and ideas with him already. In my view active discussions on the area, it's relationships, collaborations and geopolitics could help mapping a lot (even when it's not a literal building for EUOIA). It could make the region more coherent and realistic. --Eevee (talk) 20:50, 4 July 2022 (UTC)
Another point is that all OGF members may not follow the forum discussions or they might not even have a wiki account. So some interested people may not see this discussion.--Eevee (talk) 20:52, 4 July 2022 (UTC)
I realy think it could be a fun idea to collab on. the EU has a lot of influence in mapping, borders, buildings, highways etc. IRL, so it makes sense that out EU-like organization would too. Ifgus (talk) 23:39, 03 August 2022 (EEST)

So I made this table with (what I think are) all the territories in East Uletha that we can use to track who's on interested in the project. And for people who don't know about the EUOIA idea, we can contact them (just leave a note in the right column) and see if they're interested. Maybe this will help with gauging interest? Anonymous21 (talk) 04:05, 6 October 2022 (UTC)

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Starting a "new" EUOIA or reanimate the old one?

As Eevee already mentioned, I've tried to find out the interest in an EUOIA successor organization. Since there have been much more users responding with "yes" than not responding or saying "no", I tried to set up a first idea here (feel free to edit, add content, etc.). It is based on the outcome of the responses, which told me that there are different levels of contribution, independency of the nation and topics which should be addressed. So, it seems to be plausible to, lets say, start with some treaties which are essential for every member nation to ratify. Additionally, there could be more precise agreements, where only those join who are interested in. I think, before it is moved from a sandbox to a separate page, we should discuss and finalize the name of the organization.--Mstr (talk) (talk) 21:54, 12 December 2022 (UTC)

For me, the old name "Eastern Ulethan Organisation of Independent Allies" is in general okay. It was Rasmus Rasmusson who came up with the name. The main advantage is that EUOIA is well known on the OGF planet. To have "Independent" in the name seems to be important for some/most nations who would like to use EUOIA to extend their sphere of influence, but do not want the EUOIA to be a "European Union" with parliament, council, ... . "Eastern Ulethan" should be in the name as well or does the region have other (well established) names? I'm a little bit struggling with "Allies", since, to mee as non-native speaker, it sounds like a military context. If it is so, the organization might have started as military alliance (is there an already defined history of wars in our region?) or we replace it by another word (so that we are able to pronounce its abbreviation), e.g. "associates". I'm very interested in what you think. --Mstr (talk) (talk) 22:08, 12 December 2022 (UTC)
I have the same feeling about the use of the word "allies", probably it points to the fact that the EUOIA is a direct consequence of a possible past World War. However the name is already quite mainstream in my head, so I think we could go ahead with this. Izaland would like to participate, although it would have a high degree of independence, either economic and commercial, compared to other smaller E.Ulethan nations. --Izaland Terramorphing Committee (talk) 14:54, 14 December 2022 (UTC)
I would like to join the old or new organisation --Julijahaller (talk) 20:24, 12 January 2023 (UTC)
For what it's worth, I'm a native English speaker (from the US), and the word "allies" definitely has a military connotation to me, but it can also be used in other contexts (like "political allies"). So it could be okay. -- Anonymous21 (talk) 00:17, 14 January 2023 (UTC)
Thank you, your answer is quite useful! Is there any RW organization with "allies" in its name not dating back to a non-military origin? We do not have to avoid the military origin, it however makes it much harder to establish a historical background as soon as there is no consistent history of wars...--Mstr (talk) (talk) 18:44, 14 January 2023 (UTC)
Now that you mention it, I can't think of any RW organizations with "allies" in it. You're right :) -- I agree that we shouldn't use the "allies" unless it has some sort of military origin. — Anonymous21 (talk) 19:57, 14 January 2023 (UTC)

I think we should start from scratch. Start forming an organization (I'm fine with keeping the acronym) and people that want to join/contribute are more than welcome --Ifgus (talk) 23:16, 20 January 2023 (UTC)

Treaty Ideas

As we figure out what we want treaty-wise for the EUOIA we could put ideas in this table

Treaty Name Main Points Proposed by (signature block) Discussion
Mutual Protection Treaty
  • Members will participate in joint military exercises
  • Any member state that attacks another member state will be immediately removed from the Organisation
  • If any member state is attacked by another military power all other members will aid in a military response ("an attack on one is an attack on all")
  • If any member becomes aware of an imminent threat on another member state, the threatened member state must be notified as soon as possible
 Anonymous21 (talk) 00:20, 14 January 2023 (UTC)
Human Rights Agreement
  • Each member state must protect the human rights of citizens of all members (except when rights must be waived to protect national security)
  • Human rights are defined as:
    • The freedoms of speech, the press, expression, belief, worship, peaceful assembly, and safe and peaceful protest
    • Rights to participate in free, fair, and democratic elections for all adult citizens (excluding incarcerated individuals and felons as determined by each member state)
    • Right to a trial by an impartial jury consisting of peers
    • Freedom from slavery or involuntary servitude
    • Freedom from discrimination on the basis of race, color, biological sex, gender identity, sexual orientation, religion, political views, marital status, nationality, cultural background, medical history, ability, and ethnicity.

(please add/suggest more)

Anonymous21 (talk) 00:37, 14 January 2023 (UTC)
  • okay, would exclude some forms of government--Mstr (talk) (talk) 18:44, 14 January 2023 (UTC)
  • Basically would exclude dictatorships, monarchies without a constitution and/or elected parliament, anarchies, etc., I think that's what we would want? Or are we talking a group that takes anyone in East Uletha (personally, I would prefer that we have basic "ground rules") -- Anonymous21 (talk) 06:08, 15 January 2023 (UTC)
  • fine by me --Ifgus (talk) 23:16, 20 January 2023 (UTC)
  • it was just a comment. In the past/for the old organization, this point was not clear. But in my point of few, it turns everything much more complicated and questionable if, e.g. anarchies, can join. Looking at NATO and EU, you might exclude some of its members--Mstr (talk) (talk) 14:55, 21 January 2023 (UTC)
Fundamental Services Agreement
  • Each member state must ensure, to the greatest extent possible, that all of its citizens and permanent residents have access to:
    • Emergency services, including police, fire, and paramedic services
    • Clean drinking water
    • Emergency healthcare
    • Free primary and secondary education for all resident minors
 Anonymous21 (talk) 00:42, 14 January 2023 (UTC)
Collective Agencies Agreement
  • Each member state must participate in funding for agencies for the following purposes:
    • Epidemiological and emerging disease prevention and response
    • Identification of and response to threats from foreign adversaries
    • Climate, environmental protection, and sustainability
    • Preservation of human rights and democracy both within and beyond the Organisation
    • Foreign diplomatic relations
 Anonymous21 (talk) 00:52, 14 January 2023 (UTC)
Open Borders Agreement
  • Free travel between all member states
 Anonymous21 (talk) 00:52, 14 January 2023 (UTC)
  • visa free travel could be a first step, no borders and free trade could be additional treaties which does not have to be ratified by all members--Mstr (talk) (talk) 18:44, 14 January 2023 (UTC)
  • It doesn't seem like there a lot of members that share physical borders, so a group-wide open borders might be impractical or not very helpful. -- Anonymous21 (talk) 06:08, 15 January 2023 (UTC)
  • but freedom of movement is applicable. countries that share land borders doesn't need checkpoints and other countries can have citizens of any member state come live in them. It can create interesting mapping influences -- Ifgus (talk) 23:16, 20 January 2023 (UTC)
Founding agreement (better, e.g. historic name should be found) must be ratified by a member to join
  • no military agression against other members
  • acceptance of borders (naval and on land) between member states
  • visa-free travel for citizens of member states (border controls still active)
  • acceptance of economic zones and interests of each member state, participation within national laws possible
  • common representation abroad by EUOIA offices/embassies if no member representation available
  • ...

Additional agreements can be proposed and ratified between members to intensify the level of cooperation.

Mstr (talk) (talk) 18:44, 14 January 2023 (UTC)
  • might be based on a precursor agreement, e.g. a fishery agreement--Mstr (talk) (talk) 18:44, 14 January 2023 (UTC)
  • Like it --Anonymous21 (talk) 06:08, 15 January 2023 (UTC)
  • I think we should start from there. If we establish a timeline it will be easier to build the organization around it and will allow new members to know when their country entered the organization --Ifgus (talk) 23:16, 20 January 2023 (UTC)
Eastern Common Market (Ecomar)
  • free trade agreement between members
  • common representation of economic interests abroad
-> potential lost of national autonomy (economic sector)
  • coordinated trading strategy
-> potential lost of national autonomy (economic sector)
  • ...
 Mstr (talk) (talk) 18:44, 14 January 2023 (UTC)
  • This could be helpful, my only concern is that labor could become dominated by a country or countries with lower costs, which could hurt everyone else's manufacturing sectors. So I do think we should establish some sort of minimum wage (probably relative to local cost of living) to mitigate that. Other than that, I'm good with it. -- Anonymous21 (talk) 06:08, 15 January 2023 (UTC)
  • fine by me --Ifgus (talk) 23:16, 20 January 2023 (UTC)
EU Transportation Normalization Act
  • normalization of means of transport (as far as possible)
 Mstr (talk) (talk) 18:44, 14 January 2023 (UTC)
  • So are we thinking like standardized rail gagues here? -- Anonymous21 (talk) 06:08, 15 January 2023 (UTC)
  • fine by me --Ifgus (talk) 23:16, 20 January 2023 (UTC)
Global Education Act
  • free and easy exchange of students, set up school exchanges and student exchange programs
  • exchange with other countries outside the organization under the same conditionsempty
 Mstr (talk) (talk) 18:44, 14 January 2023 (UTC)
  • I've never thought of that idea, but that seems like something that would help prepare students to participate in the group and global economies. I like it! -- Anonymous21 (talk) 06:08, 15 January 2023 (UTC)
  • fine by me --Ifgus (talk) 23:16, 20 January 2023 (UTC)
EU Nuclear-Weapon-Free Zone
  • establishment and enforcement of a nuclear weapon free zone in Eastern Uletha
 Mstr (talk) (talk) 18:44, 14 January 2023 (UTC)
  • Makes sense unless there are other significant and/or opposing powers that have nuclear weapons, then maybe we would want the group to have nuclear capabilities that can be used only by the authorization of all members? But at the same time there are probably other big states (Federal States of Archanta) that we would be generally aligned with that have nuclear weapons. -- Anonymous21 (talk) 06:08, 15 January 2023 (UTC)
  • since nuclear balance would be hard to work out, it is better to assume for the first step that besides the FSA there is no other nuclear power. If you start to consider all countries which claim to have nuclear weapons, you can stop any other action...--Mstr (talk) (talk) 14:55, 21 January 2023 (UTC)
Research collaboration

possible field of collaboration

  • antarctic expeditions
  • aerospace / space agency
 Mstr (talk) (talk) 18:44, 14 January 2023 (UTC)
Common currency
  • Shared currency to support economies of all members
 Anonymous21 (talk) 06:08, 15 January 2023 (UTC)
  • This could be especially helpful because none of the members have huge economies, which would probably make this more beneficial to all members and would reduce the risk of economic troubles in one country causing a significant downturn in all members. -- Anonymous21 (talk) 06:08, 15 January 2023 (UTC)
  • on board with that. our small-ish economies can benefit from that --Ifgus (talk) 23:16, 20 January 2023 (UTC)
  • would be not the first step, but for members who are interested okay --Mstr (talk) (talk) 14:55, 21 January 2023 (UTC)
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Naming

The acronym "EUOIA" should be kept since it is well known.

yes no don't know Discussion

"Independent" in the name is important for me.

yes don't know no Discussion
  • I think it acts as a great "filler" word if we're trying to keep the current acronym but other than that is kind of pointless lol (Anonymous21 (talk) 20:22, 14 January 2023 (UTC))
  • Agreed with Anonymous21, not crucial but I don't mind it --Tule00 (talk) 13:07, 15 January 2023 (UTC)

"Allies" should be replaced.

yes don't know no Discussion

Old name:

  • Eastern Ulethan Organisation of Independent Allies

Some ideas for the new name:

  • Eastern Ulethan Organization of Independent Associates --Mstr (talk) (talk) 19:09, 14 January 2023 (UTC)
  • Eastern Ulethan Organisation for Independence and Accord --Anonymous21 (talk) 20:22, 14 January 2023 (UTC)
"independence" a little bit too pronounced --Mstr (talk) (talk) 14:39, 21 January 2023 (UTC)
  • Eastern Ulethan Organisation for International Accord --Anonymous21 (talk) 20:22, 14 January 2023 (UTC)
  • Eastern Ulethan Opportunity and Intermutuality Alliance --Anonymous21 (talk) 20:22, 14 January 2023 (UTC)
  • Eastern Ulethan Organization of Intergovernmental Affiliates/ Associates --Ifgus (talk) 23:16, 20 January 2023 (UTC)
I like it --Mstr (talk) (talk) 14:39, 21 January 2023 (UTC)

Other issues

Flag proposals

Flag By Comments
Rising sun symbols the East, green color to differ from any kind of EU flag
Rising sun symbols the East, green color to differ from any kind of EU flag
Rising sun symbols the East, green color to differ from any kind of EU flag
 Mstr (talk) (talk) 19:09, 14 January 2023 (UTC) too similar to the Japanese imperial banner in my opinion --Ifgus (talk) 23:16, 20 January 2023 (UTC)
I added a second, slightly modified version, so the similarity is less.--Mstr (talk) (talk) 14:35, 21 January 2023 (UTC)
An orange sun with 8 yellow rays on a blue background
An alternate version of the rising with more colors
 Anonymous21 (talk) 05:50, 15 January 2023 (UTC) yellow-orange combination is unusual
compass cardinal directions pointing towards the east with maritime colors to symbolize connection to the sea
EUOIA proposal flag2.png
Ifgus (talk) 23:16, 20 January 2023 (UTC) the symbol reminds me of NATO, the triangle is close to FSA

Just to show how the flag proposals look like in the wiki:
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EUOIAflagproposal02.png EUOIA
EUOIA proposal flag.png EUOIA
EUOIA proposal flag2.png EUOIA
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Anthem

Would we want some sort of EUOIA anthem? I wrote one for Kara. -- Anonymous21 (talk) 01:16, 16 January 2023 (UTC)

could be a nice touch, but from which country came the poet? ;) --Ifgus (talk) 23:16, 20 January 2023 (UTC)

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