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I decided to compile some thoughts from the past wiki (detailed in an archived thread [[Forum:Archive/Wars and conflicts|here]]) and various discussions on the unofficial OGFC discord. The aim is not coming together for a "decisive" world war (which is impossible given how spread out OGF activity generally is), but at least some consensus of how it can play out and line out the potential parties involved.--[[User:Zhenkang|Zhenkang]] ([[User talk:Zhenkang|talk]]) 04:43, 23 March 2023 (UTC)
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These are the five assumptions (by Zekiel) I believe are already commonly assumed regarding the Great War.
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# The name of the war is the Great War.
AR120-15 As part of Oakley (or a separate state if that can't be done)
# There was only one war of such nature.
# The war happened between 1930 and 1950 (cannot be past or within X years of 1960, since the Pax Nova games, which are now canon, defined that they were held in celebration of the war's end).
# The singlular war lasted a significant amount of time (10+ years).
# The war took place as a collection of different theatres rather than a coordinated "Allies vs Axis"-style single or dual theatre grand-battle war.


Further thoughts:
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* I thought that more likely there would be a series of proxy wars at major flashpoints around the world (including Mecyna and the Lycene Region). <s>Proxy wars can be via civil wars in former colonies or just wars between countries. Conventional war can be through regional expansionism as well.</s>
The climate is the same as Oakley (winter: 13℉ (-10℃) summer: 75℉ (23℃).


* It is quite likely the conflicts may have come about due to a rise of nationalism as a possible result of an emerging leftist movement, whether communist, socialist or any other form, leading to a series of independence wars. The general theme could be the end of the old colonial order and the rise of new emerging powers, like Suria and the Federal States.
This part of the state will be very densely forested (like the right now part of Oakley) and have multiple state forests and parks.


* The war can be in two main phases. The first can be the wave of rebellions by colonies (independence wars), after which the colonial powers were humiliated. In the second, the colonial powers have to tackle the leftist threat and try to influence its former colonies in a series of proxy wars (like civil wars and regional wars). This war can be longer in the 30s and 50s, though of course the timeline can vary by region.
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* There probably '''isn't even a clear-cut group of belligerents''', and nations/parties can be on different sides depending on the nature of the conflict. (e.g. see supporting groups of the [[Wikipedia:Nigerian Civil War|Nigerian Civil War]])
Most of this part of the state will be like Oakley and be probably 150-250 people/sq mi. It will have a major city in the south where Burton was (I may even use the same name for the city). I am thinking on it having around 500-700 thousand people.


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This area will trend down even further from the density of right now Oakley to Hyde.


I think it's important to include Alessa's thoughts/points from the time that detailed more clearly what we need to be thinking about here:
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"To everyone, regarding the Great War idea:
Oakley was admitted to the union sometime from 1758-1760 when the FSA became a nation (this can still change but from how I understood [[User:TheMayor/sandbox/FSA Timeline Proposal|this]] it appears that the southeast coast was part of the nation when it was first founded).


*There are a ton of factors that need to be considered for any Great War that we have on OGF. First, in the 1940s (lead-up to the war), we have a ton of different countries in a ton of areas that would be developed enough to engaged in a global war but really separated by distances that are not easily overcome by 1940s technology. It cannot be that a simple conflict between two countries in Uletha started it, or it wouldn't logically involve a random country in Antarephia… why would they want to send troops (even to an "ally") *that far away*? Another point to consider is that allies are usually countries of common goals and within reach of the other to be of assistance *defensively*. Alliances are a big deal, but allies are rarely obligated in their treaties to help an aggressor.
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*What works a lot better is to consider how these larger-scale wars typically evolved in human history.  One of the major ways that wars evolved were that a lot of smaller conflicts took place concurrently, and with similar goals or means, leading to a huge inter-tangling of conflicts that created a broader mess. As humans, we like to compartmentalize into what effected us immensely, but historians acknowledge the continuum and the fact that nothing happens in a vacuum. For a "great war" to work, there need to be a ton of tinderboxes that all get lit at the same time, creating a run on resources, inflaming existing strife. Religion, ideology, etc. can all be a factor, but they aren't the definitive. There are plenty of times where countries aligned with another of different religion or ideology in a war." -Alessa


--[[User:Ernestpkirby|Ernestpkirby]] ([[User talk:Ernestpkirby|talk]]) 08:17, 23 March 2023 (UTC)
Oakley - https://opengeofiction.net/#map=10/-41.2587/160.5144&layers=B


==Possible "fronts" (or wars taking place in the 30s to 50s)==
Karva (Which is still not deleted thats actually cool) - https://opengeofiction.net/#map=10/-41.2587/160.5144&layers=B
(Feel free to include)
 
* North Archanta:
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** [https://pointochinikia.miraheze.org/wiki/War_of_Fellow_Brothers War of Fellow Brothers] (Fascist Bai against Kaosha, Grinzez and other smaller countries]
 
** Mecynan Canal Crisis (between CCA and FSA)
[[User:MiniMapper|MiniMapper]] ([[User talk:MiniMapper|talk]]) 01:05, 29 February 2024 (UTC)<table width="100%" style="text-align:center; background: #9ed9ae;"><tr><th rowspan="2" width="20%"></th><th>Meta</th></tr><tr><td></td></tr></table>NOTE: what left the FSA and is now [https://opengeofiction.net/#map=10/-41.2587/160.5144&layers=B here].
* Uletha:
 
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I would like to keep the mapping already there.
==Discussion==
 
If you want to add your own country and discuss its potential involvement and role, or just its history between the 30s to 50s, add under the respective continents to keep track.
I also am making this request after seeing how small Oakley is. And how many states are that small. This request would make Oakley similar size to Connecticut instead of Rhode Island.
===Antarephia===
 
===Archanta===
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====Bai Empire (Fascist Bai)====
Bai during this period was under [https://pointochinikia.miraheze.org/wiki/Fascist_Bai the Fascist regime]. Fascist Bai was an aggressor trying to expand into its neighbours, notably Kaosha and neighbouring [[Kanglapo]]. It had an alliance with Cinasia.--[[User:Zhenkang|Zhenkang]] ([[User talk:Zhenkang|talk]]) 12:11, 23 March 2023 (UTC)  
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====Freedemia====
 
I'll just reiterate here that through various discussions with other Lycene area territories I had planned for some degree of Lycene stability and [[Freedemia]]'s relative non-involvement. I think I talk about it in the history on the Freedemia wiki page, but notably Freedemia's comparative stability was part of what attracted a lot of migrants <s>and draft-dodgers</s> from other countries around the world impacted more directly, influencing the population boom of the time. --[[User:Ernestpkirby|Ernestpkirby]] ([[User talk:Ernestpkirby|talk]]) 08:08, 23 March 2023 (UTC)
{{territory application closed|Application rejected. You just recently had your initial request approved and there’s still too many unmapped areas of your current state to justify an expansion at this time. —[[User:TheMayor|TheMayor]] ([[User talk:TheMayor|talk]]) 03:13, 29 February 2024 (UTC)}}
===Uletha===

Latest revision as of 03:13, 29 February 2024

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AR120-15 As part of Oakley (or a separate state if that can't be done)

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The climate is the same as Oakley (winter: 13℉ (-10℃) summer: 75℉ (23℃).

This part of the state will be very densely forested (like the right now part of Oakley) and have multiple state forests and parks.

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Most of this part of the state will be like Oakley and be probably 150-250 people/sq mi. It will have a major city in the south where Burton was (I may even use the same name for the city). I am thinking on it having around 500-700 thousand people.

This area will trend down even further from the density of right now Oakley to Hyde.

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Oakley was admitted to the union sometime from 1758-1760 when the FSA became a nation (this can still change but from how I understood this it appears that the southeast coast was part of the nation when it was first founded).

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Oakley - https://opengeofiction.net/#map=10/-41.2587/160.5144&layers=B

Karva (Which is still not deleted thats actually cool) - https://opengeofiction.net/#map=10/-41.2587/160.5144&layers=B

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MiniMapper (talk) 01:05, 29 February 2024 (UTC)

Meta

NOTE: what left the FSA and is now here.

I would like to keep the mapping already there.

I also am making this request after seeing how small Oakley is. And how many states are that small. This request would make Oakley similar size to Connecticut instead of Rhode Island.

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Application rejected. You just recently had your initial request approved and there’s still too many unmapped areas of your current state to justify an expansion at this time. —TheMayor (talk) 03:13, 29 February 2024 (UTC)
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