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:I’ve been using the recommended tags on [[OGF:Federal States/Railways]] when mapping new railways or altering older railways, but I think while we’re still determining national corridors (see above) tagging relations on a national level is still a bit premature. You are welcome to get a head start in the areas you’re mapping, though. -[[User:TheMayor|TheMayor]] ([[User talk:TheMayor|talk]]) 16:59, 9 May 2020 (CEST)
 
:I’ve been using the recommended tags on [[OGF:Federal States/Railways]] when mapping new railways or altering older railways, but I think while we’re still determining national corridors (see above) tagging relations on a national level is still a bit premature. You are welcome to get a head start in the areas you’re mapping, though. -[[User:TheMayor|TheMayor]] ([[User talk:TheMayor|talk]]) 16:59, 9 May 2020 (CEST)
 
::Thank you for your generous offer! Spending much effort to create relations no one uses makes no sense for me. So if there is no effort to debate basic requirements/standards and provide a "how to do" what is it worth to list "corridors" and roleplay history of companies? Unfortunately, the corridor workspace rather looks like a new version of Railroad Tycoon than discussing how to complement the map. For me, it would be nice to get ideas how to organize these issues better (from the beginning on). If no one is interested in the mapping behind it, okay, continue playing.--[[User:Mstr|Mstr]] ([[User talk:Mstr|talk]]) 17:19, 9 May 2020 (CEST)
 
::Thank you for your generous offer! Spending much effort to create relations no one uses makes no sense for me. So if there is no effort to debate basic requirements/standards and provide a "how to do" what is it worth to list "corridors" and roleplay history of companies? Unfortunately, the corridor workspace rather looks like a new version of Railroad Tycoon than discussing how to complement the map. For me, it would be nice to get ideas how to organize these issues better (from the beginning on). If no one is interested in the mapping behind it, okay, continue playing.--[[User:Mstr|Mstr]] ([[User talk:Mstr|talk]]) 17:19, 9 May 2020 (CEST)
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:::I agree with you Mstr. There isn’t being enough to justify wiki freight on the actual map. Recently I have been pushing for the development of more freight infrastructure and I think that all things should be mapped with relations. (BTW see my Sandbox where I have displayed different railways including ArchRail and Compass and Western Freight on Multimaps)I agree tagging should be Standardized, and the only thing I would change is that I do not think it matters to tag both directions on a line, as many times trains travel in a given direction not on the same track, especially in freight (at least in my experience) so I have instead  1 relation for each routing that includes both directional services. I have been trying to coordinate freight infrastructure with several states including New Carnaby, Penquisset, Arghenna,Gilliad, Washaukee, and Nipewa. For now I have done the mainline tracks and over the next weeks I will be adding the sidings, yards, and some industrial areas as well as a connection to some seaboard ports. I would love to collaborate with you on these things to make it the best that it can be, if you want. If FSA leadership is not willing to take the initiative I suppose some of us can at least try. —[[User:Zytik|Zytik]] ([[User talk:Zytik|talk]]) 06:13, 10 May 2020 (CEST)
  
 
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Freight Corridor Workspace

To help guide coordination on freight rail corridors, please use this table. Note that, unlike the motorways network, parallel and competing routes are welcome. Only one main line per company, please. In the future, some lines and companies will be consolidated to form national companies. Company names listed below will be considered entries for potential national railroad company names; however, the final list of major national railroad company names will be determined by consensus. Except for "Completed" corridors, all corridors listed below are considered non-official.

Company Name Status Northern or Western Terminus Southern or Eastern Terminus Relation (optional) Lead Organizer Confirmed States States in Discussion Potential States Notes Last Updated
Minnonigan Central Railroad Discussion Port Massehanee, AL Lake City, MN TheMayor MN AQ, TJ, AL 71, 45, OQ Discussing alignments in Tejoma and Osaquoya. 2020-05-03
Sauganash and Northern Railroad Discussion Jundah-Stuart, TA Lake City, MN TheMayor MN CL, TA 47 Discussing alignments in Clamash and Tauhon. 2020-05-03
Great Eastern and Stanton Folkstone Railway Company partially established before recent debate OGFmapicon.png GESF
(#FC6A0C)
mstr AL, AS, CP, CR, EM, FT, NC, OK, SN, WA, WM 28, 31, 36, 48, 51, 55, 59 2020-05-08
Stanton Folkstone Railway partially established before recent debate Wallawaukee, SN Folkstone, OK mstr 2020-05-08
Great Eastern Railway partially established before recent debate Port Massehanee, AL Hope Harbor, AS mstr via Folkstone, OK 2020-05-08
Compass and Western Railroad Construction 1 Zytik NC, PQ, AR, GL, WA, NP 2020-05-07
Scantuck & Southern Railroad Complete Waltmore, NC Divinity's Grace, CR S&S Whateversusan NC, CR 5/9/2020

Standardized relation usage for railways in the FS

It would be beneficial to assemble railroad lines (all ways between two destinations) in a relation (one for north/eastbound and one for west/southbound?, separately for freight and passenger rail if needed) and create corridors, etc. with relations consisting of these relations. Are there any proposals how to do this without significant effort and simple access (where/how to list them?)?--Mstr (talk) 16:46, 9 May 2020 (CEST)

see also the documentation: route=railway, route=train. --Mstr (talk) 16:51, 9 May 2020 (CEST)
I’ve been using the recommended tags on OGF:Federal States/Railways when mapping new railways or altering older railways, but I think while we’re still determining national corridors (see above) tagging relations on a national level is still a bit premature. You are welcome to get a head start in the areas you’re mapping, though. -TheMayor (talk) 16:59, 9 May 2020 (CEST)
Thank you for your generous offer! Spending much effort to create relations no one uses makes no sense for me. So if there is no effort to debate basic requirements/standards and provide a "how to do" what is it worth to list "corridors" and roleplay history of companies? Unfortunately, the corridor workspace rather looks like a new version of Railroad Tycoon than discussing how to complement the map. For me, it would be nice to get ideas how to organize these issues better (from the beginning on). If no one is interested in the mapping behind it, okay, continue playing.--Mstr (talk) 17:19, 9 May 2020 (CEST)
I agree with you Mstr. There isn’t being enough to justify wiki freight on the actual map. Recently I have been pushing for the development of more freight infrastructure and I think that all things should be mapped with relations. (BTW see my Sandbox where I have displayed different railways including ArchRail and Compass and Western Freight on Multimaps)I agree tagging should be Standardized, and the only thing I would change is that I do not think it matters to tag both directions on a line, as many times trains travel in a given direction not on the same track, especially in freight (at least in my experience) so I have instead 1 relation for each routing that includes both directional services. I have been trying to coordinate freight infrastructure with several states including New Carnaby, Penquisset, Arghenna,Gilliad, Washaukee, and Nipewa. For now I have done the mainline tracks and over the next weeks I will be adding the sidings, yards, and some industrial areas as well as a connection to some seaboard ports. I would love to collaborate with you on these things to make it the best that it can be, if you want. If FSA leadership is not willing to take the initiative I suppose some of us can at least try. —Zytik (talk) 06:13, 10 May 2020 (CEST)

Technical details

gauge 1435

really you will tag all rails with 1435 mm? All rails ARE 1435 mm, if no other information is tagged --Histor (talk) 23:38, 27 July 2019 (CEST)

It depends on, usally it is tagged, but at the moment this tag does not seem to be that relevant. It can be added later on without much effort.--Mstr (talk) 01:45, 28 July 2019 (CEST)

platform lenght

< 300 m for some platforms - I ask myself, what trains there stop. If one wagon ist - let us say - 25 m, then Washington has place for only 9 (and one for the locomotive). What is with Elvis Mystery Train: "Train I ride, 16 coaches long...". Til now I construct platforms for long distance railways with 400 m (15 coaches and loco') --Histor (talk) 15:12, 28 July 2019 (CEST)

I know some Amtrak trains with 5-7 coaches or less, the Acela Express has 200 m, so short platforms seem to be usual.--Mstr (talk) 15:21, 28 July 2019 (CEST)
Less-busy stations can have shorter platforms because not all coaches open at each station. If Amtrak is our model, conductors manually open and close the train doors at each stop, and they usually have announcements on approach to the station regarding which coaches will be opening. -TheMayor (talk) 15:40, 28 July 2019 (CEST)
On my short ride from Newark Airport to New York Penn' station with New Jersey Link last year the conductor did with my 9 $ ticket this and that and I ask me, for what and why. Indeed, he was a friendly man, but the efficience? So for mapping we can learn, that at smaller stations the platforms are short. Can the a station like this be realistic? [1] --Histor (talk) 18:18, 28 July 2019 (CEST)

fright train waiting tracks

Can it be helpful to discuss about this? In Germany since 1900 this tracks are long 700 m. What with the FSA? Do we need it there, that slow freight trains can wait for faster passenger trains? Or shall the passanger train run after the freight train in the same slow way? I fear, it is so. --Histor (talk) 15:17, 28 July 2019 (CEST)

We have to talk about the max. freigth train length, but freight trains NEVER wait for passenger trains since usually they have priority (and there are no passenger trains).--Mstr (talk) 15:20, 28 July 2019 (CEST)
The best-case (longest) siding on a single-track main line would probably be something like this, about 3 km. This siding was recently upgraded in Illinois for Amtrak’s increase to 110mph service on the Chicago-St. Louis line, which is a busy freight line with five round-trip daily passenger trips. -TheMayor (talk) 15:40, 28 July 2019 (CEST)
Single-track mainline. O.k. - what potential given away. One thing is positiv: I have not to map long sidings --Histor (talk) 18:02, 28 July 2019 (CEST)

Thank you mstr!

Just wanted to briefly say thank you to mstr for getting this page up and running. -TheMayor (talk) 15:42, 28 July 2019 (CEST)

Class I Railroads

This was a very quick sketch (which is why it's in Paint) but here's one option for six Class I freight railroads in the FSA and a possible network. Names and routes are all up for debate, but I think we should start by limiting the number of Class I railroads to a manageable number (this sample uses six, or seven if there's enough interest in an additional north-south line between the central river and the eastern mountains). -TheMayor (talk) 00:17, 30 July 2019 (CEST) MN-FSA ClassI.png

I'm not totally sure, but I think it would be possible for competing railroad companies to avoid connecting with each other unless they have to. In areas served by two or three companies, I think it would be interesting to see how these areas are mapped.

Finally, I'm interested in seeing how the railroad companies choose their routes within the states. Will companies 'bid' on existing railroad lines and facilities? If a state has some well mapped rail infrastructure, maybe it would attract more companies to want to operate within the state? Just a thought! ---PColumbus73 (talk) 05:14, 19 October 2019 (CEST)

Unlike the roads, I'm building my rail lines in a historical manner, going with the first, earlier routes now and adding to them as the rail network expands. Some may go away/become abandoned as more modern routes are added. I also definitely imagine that several companies may serve a single route (versus individual lines per company early on). Brunanter (talk) 18:24, 19 October 2019 (CEST)

Ports

Should certain ports have a certain coverage area? For instance, the ports within the Stanton-Ann'harbor-Warwick metro area could be the busiest ports on the East Coast and serve a massive portion of the FSA, however, a port at Anne Abbey would serve a smaller region, consisting primarily of neighboring states? ---PColumbus73 (talk) 04:29, 18 October 2019 (CEST)

Ports should be somewhat self-selected based on topography, given that large coastal cities would have needed a safe harbor for ships to begin with. That said, this is OGF, so that’s not really an actual limitation. How far inland each port serves should be based on the port’s infrastructure (highways, railways, etc.) so mappers of the largest ports need to commit to have plenty of landside mapping to function. -TheMayor (talk) 14:28, 18 October 2019 (CEST)

Help & Advisors

Is there anyone who specializes in realistic railways who might be willing and able to give advice to others about designing realistic rail lines? I know I could use assistance in creating realistic railyards. ---PColumbus73 (talk) 04:29, 18 October 2019 (CEST)

I have some experience, but when in doubt, just explore Chicago on OSM for rail yard inspiration: Clearing Yard, Cicero Yard, Global II, and Schiller Park Yard are good freight examples; Western Avenue and 14th Street are good passenger coach yard examples. -TheMayor (talk) 14:28, 18 October 2019 (CEST)

Theres also Eklas to help as well. Check his railway tutorials.--Happy mapping and God blesses you, ZK (talk) 06:30, 19 October 2019 (CEST)