Talk:Vinnic Economic Community

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OK ... here's the place to discuss the VEC.

I've taken the liberty of creating a flag, but of course it can be changed to something else if others want.

I envision the VEC would have been created in about 1985, after the fall of Norðerland's military regime. The VEC treaty (Treaty of ... ?) would have set up a process to lower tarrif and other trade barriers between member states, and have created Community institutions. I'm thinking something like the European Community/Union but not as integrated and wide-ranging as the present EU. Institutions could include a Council of Ministers, containing a representative from each government, a Commission or Secretariat responsible for the administration of policy, and perhaps an Assembly consisting of members chosen from national Parliaments. But others may have other ideas! ...

I quite like Markus's (EMKLI) idea that it may be a continuation or revival of the old Vinnic League, perhaps for some quirky legal reason. Pawl (talk) 14:51, 7 August 2015 (CEST)

Nice flag! However, I would propose to move the date of foundation one or two years, because the first government elections in Nordurland's Second republic took place in 1985 and I guess, the preparation time to form such an economic league is more than one year. I will write my idea of the foundation story later today and will post it here.
EMKLI (talk) 00:21, 8 August 2015 (CEST)
OK ... how about 1987? That gives two years for negotiations and getting things set up Pawl (talk) 21:20, 8 August 2015 (CEST)
Ok, I think this is a realistic time frame. From Nordurland's perspective, the interest in the VEC is the following:
  • In 1984, when the military regime collapsed, the country was almost bankrupt and the population was starving. On the other hand, the old regime left behind a country in a totally desolate condition (because almost all money was used for the military juggernaut). So huge investments had to be made.
  • To get new money as soon as possible, the government decided to go a quite radical way and break with lots of things. First of all, the country asked the Assembly of Nations to observe the process of democratization (mainly to get recognized by the AN).
  • Second, the government decided to go without any military forces in the future. There were fears that this would leave the country totally vulnerable, so the government had a strong interest in investing in good relations to it's neighbors to minimize the risk of any assaults.
  • Third- and this is the most important part - the government tried to establish a free trade zone with it's neighbors. Nordurland is rich in resources, but there was almost no market until 1984, because the military regime isolated itself and also was internationally scorned. So in 1985, Nordurland invited its neighbors to propose a free trade zone around the Vinnic Sea (were there any attempts of other states too? Did some of them maybe sniffed a chance to open up a new market for them?). This finally led to the foundation of the VEC.
  • Nordurland also proposed to drop the visa requirements between all participating states (we can say that not all countries participate in this proposal because it might not be in their interests, however, Nordurland voluntarily dropped the visa requirements for all its neighboring countries and all countries around the Vinn sea due to it's own interests).
  • Nordurland's main interest is to sell mineral resources, oil and energy. Additionally, in the meantime, a large electronics and microelectronics industry emerged in Nordurland. On the other side, the country highly depends on food imports, vehicles (however, with strong economic restrictions) and lots of other manufactured goods.
These are my ideas for possible reasons of the VEC's foundation. How about yours?
EMKLI (talk) 00:58, 9 August 2015 (CEST)
From the point of view of Tircambry, the reasons for founding the VEC might have included:
  • Concern that Nordurland might slip back into military dictatorship or decline into chaos if its economy wasn't developed rapidly. Tircambry had something of a problem with the number of Norlensk political and economic refugees : helping to stabilize Nordurland and increase its prosperity was a long-term solution to this.
  • A need for easy access to new energy and mineral resources, especially since reserves in the Tirmynydd coalmines were beginning to decline and become more difficult and expensive to extract.
  • Trade with some of Tircambry's major overseas markets was declining as their own economies developed and modernized. Tircamby needed new markets for its manufactured goods. Nordurland was a golden opportunity, but this was also a chance to remove tariff barriers with other Vinnic nations.
  • As agricultural production became more efficient and productive, Tircambry found itself with more surpluses for export. Nordurland needed food :)
Actually, what do you think about the idea of there having been a "Vinnic War" with Nordurland fighting Tircambry and others in the early 1980s? The hardship caused by this could have been part of the cause of the dictatorship's downfall, and an incentive to tie the countries into a permanent economic union so that they would not go to war again.
Pawl (talk) 10:12, 9 August 2015 (CEST)


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I would like to propose Frjálshöfn as the capital of the VEC - referring to its role during the times of the Vinnic league. EMKLI (talk) 00:24, 8 August 2015 (CEST)

Frjálshöfn is fine with me Pawl (talk) 21:20, 8 August 2015 (CEST)
Take a look, we have a home now. EMKLI (talk) 00:58, 9 August 2015 (CEST)
Very good! Should every VEC member have a delegation to the VEC in Frjálshöfn? And an embassy? Pawl (talk)