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Ho hey, how's everyone today? It's the 23rd week of 2017, and 23 is my favorite number actually. About the title - power mapping. It's a double meaning, or a double entendre if you like (I like using that expression because it sounds fancy.) Meaning number one: mapping electricity, meaning number two: when you have little to no time to map but still want to get work done, so you're looking for an efficient way to do so. In addition to these topics, I have something to say about certain users that do things I don't approve of. But first things first: let's have a 2012 throwback with the iconic song Domino by Jessie J because it's an absolute bop.

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Riverside aka efficient mapping

Now if you've followed me for a while you know that I never seem to settle down. It's always on to the next thing after a while (which sadly is also a good metaphor for many of my relationships.) Over time, I'd been changing my mapping process to maximize time efficiency. Depending on size and terrain, I can now draw an area in low-to-mediocre detail in just under 4 afternoons:

  • Afternoon 1: Draw waterways and lakes.
  • Afternoon 2: Place settlements. Draw bigger natural features (large forests, cliffs, wetlands) and primary, secondary roads.
  • Afternoon 3: Connect settlements with tertiary and unclassified roads. Add small forests.
  • Afternoon 4: Draw country roads. Set up administrative boundaries.

Remember Volbrod? That's also an area I drew using that method. It took a month though, as it's quite large.

About the area I drew last week: It's the other side of Borava. A wet flatland that ends abruptly with sandstone cliffs and steep forested slopes. The flatland then continues beyond the cliffs, just at a higher elevation. The most prominent feature of the area is the railway. It's line 010 which connects Odrava with Krále Hora and belongs to the busiest lines in the country. The railroad got rebuilt a few years ago and now trains can go up to 230 km/h on it. Parts of the old railroad are still visible, some of them are still used for local and cargo trains.

A map of the power network I made.

High voltage

Do you have what it takes to be a power bottom? *wink wink* I sure do, because I just sketched up an electricity network for my country.

That was weak. But anyways: browsing the OGF map, I never came across a well mapped electricity network. Not saying there aren't here, just that I haven't found any. Which is a shame, because electricity is pretty much crucial to, well the humanity as we know it nowadays. So I figured since I'm sketching the Drabantian countryside with my efficient method one area after the another, I'd just add power lines to the list of things I draw.

And so I laid out the coal mine areas, power plants and high voltage power lines. Has anyone else done something similar? Share it in the comments.

Things I disagree with

Not going to name names to sound even more shady and passive-aggressive.

I don't really feel entitled to criticize other users for their work, since I too am still relatively new here (it's been 11 months now.) But there are some things I need to speak out about.

There are and always have been users who take OGF as a land conquest game, who rush to get an oversized territory and then suffocate it with a dense network of jagged motorways, who leave their coastlines straight like how I pretended to be in middle school, who draw cities with population two million as a single node, and that's fine and acceptable and natural. However I feel like recently we've been getting a whole new category of these users: those who are terrible at mapping, but also unapologetic and self-righteous about it.

They carelessly breach verisimilitude rules both on the map and on the wiki, and when someone points it out and leaves them a message, they ignore it and continue in their reckless ecstatic streak of HDI 0.95 and over the top population density. Sometimes they would break the coastlines only to then take it to the user diaries to post something like ARCHANTA IS FLOODED, like dude what's preventing you from opening JOSM and fixing the problem yourself? Last week we were witnesses to an amazing diary entry, in which the user took it to explain that in his vision, the inhabitants of the OGF world are actually migrants from real-world Mediterranean, and then carried on to say he won't be detailing the coastline any further, because in his opinion it's detailed enough. I think that was the breaking point for me.

What also amazes me is how these users seem to stick together for whatever reason. For example, a supermarket (not to be named) features locations from a few countries, all of which are equally bad (sorry - edit); a country whose owner had received several notices not to use real-world names (and ignored them) built a military area in a country which features buildings over 1.5 km long and 500 m wide. I feel like these users don't really help the main objective of OGF as I understand it, that is maximum realism and detail. But how do you treat them if they just ignore/dismiss your well-meant tips and remainders?

Sigh. I'm sorry. I guess I just needed to get this off my chest.

Anyways, I hope you enjoyed my rant, and I'll see you next week in the historic town of Přeslav.

What's your mapping technique? What about electricity? How do you feel about the things I ranted about? Let me know and stay tuned for next week.

Monday bliki by Eklas
2020

Comments

How I feel about the things you ranted about? I feel that you shouldn't be calling the countries in which my supermarket services all of them "equally shit". I know, a lot of them are, but for you to call the Gagium Republic shit? You're really trying to get a lot of users to hate you, right? Just because I don't leave a lot of blank areas and only tiny areas of some detail doesn't make my mapping "shit". How about you PM the owners instead of publicly dissing them on a bliki. And how is this shit? Or this? Or even this? I haven't actually seen you try to tell the owners of these countries anything, so don't go around ranting about them and not taking action. You're really trying to make enemies, aren't you? And really, don't act like you're better than everyone else just because you already set up administrative boundries. --TheHolyEpicpenguin (talk) 3:28 PM, June 5 2017 (ET)

It's true I enjoy drama, however I didn't mean to act superior or make anyone hate me. I also feel that my bliki is the best place to share my personal opinions on things. Speaking of Gagium, I didn't directly call it anything in the first place, but if that word or your conclusion somehow made you feel hurt, I apologize. If you need a PM with things I would personally improve in your country, let me know. --Eklas (talk) 22:08, 5 June 2017 (CEST)
Thanks for apologizing. I just jumped the gun when I read, and reacted more than I should've. --TheHolyEpicpenguin (talk) 4:10 PM, June 5 2017 (ET)


Hi, Eklas. I understand your frustration with a lot of the things you mentioned in your short rant. Frustrations I think many of us share. But I must ask for clarification- are you saying the mapping of the actual supermarket locations is "poop" (I'll just substitute "poop" since I don't curse XD) or that the countries that the locations are in are home to some of the problems you mention? It was kinda unclear by what you wrote. I'd just add that if the supermarket is available for international locations it may not be the fault of the creator of the supermarket if some of the nations that have locations aren't always the best mapped. For example, I opened All-n-One to all countries essentially, for two reasons- one, I wanted to expand internationally, and two, as a way for those who create real world named superstores to have a company to easily switch the name over to. Due to this, quite a few of the international locations of All-n-One aren't the highest quality mapping. (Though to be fair some of the ones I mapped myself in Freedemia in my early days look pretty bad too. XD) I think while the issue is largely people not being willing to take criticism, it also seems like the criticism (not from you necessarily but all around) has been a bit harsh lately, which might be a part of the dillemma. --Ernestpcosby (talk) 21:40, 5 June 2017 (CEST)

I mean yeah, I guess I went a little over the top with saying things look like s-. But I also tried to be as ambiguous as possible to avoid conflict. I'm just not very good at keeping my opinions to myself, sorry. --Eklas (talk) 22:08, 5 June 2017 (CEST)
It's okay. It was clear you were trying to not call anyone out by name so I figured you were just venting and not trying to start conflict. Nice electrical map, by the way! --Ernestpcosby (talk) 06:19, 6 June 2017 (CEST)


I have mixed feelings about this. Although i agree that some users are very arrogant and hostile to others about their mapping, that does not mean you can just call them out like that. I did it once, and i ruined 50% of my reputation on this website. Also, @TheHolyEpicpenguin, your mapping, is certainly not "shit", but it also isnt extremely impressive or realistic. Like, how come trains are able to turn at this angle? Or this, why didnt you make this a parallel way? --Litvania (talk) 21:44, 5 June 2017 (CEST)

In real life, not all highways are parallel exactly the whole entire time. For example, here. But, there are some highway segments I could fix, like here. As for the trains, I'm not necessarily that interested or have much knowledge about trains and railway networks. I'll get around to fixing it, though. Thanks for the feedback. --TheHolyEpicpenguin (talk) 3:51 PM, June 5 2017 (ET)
Reputation, reputation. Well I guess s- was a strong word to use, but I still have a distinct opinion on certain countries, maybe I should express it in some less blatant ways. --Eklas (talk) 22:08, 5 June 2017 (CEST)

I like your power, uh, bottom map, winkity wink. Seriously, it looks good! Just wondering about the actual mapping of your power system... have you mapped much yet? I looked a bit at Odrava but couldn't see anything. I've done some random power stuff, it's not a full power system but just a power plant in Mynninghamn and some transformer stations like the one here --Demuth (talk) 00:24, 6 June 2017 (CEST)

Thanks! I only drew some small bits around Rabětín. It's more like a long-term project I just started. The power infrastructure in Mynninghamn looks nice! --Eklas (talk) 08:31, 6 June 2017 (CEST)

I've done power networks too, in fact I got rather obsessed with it for a while there. I've done most of Centralia and Beaufortshire, but haven't done much else yet, although in my mind, I know what it going to go where. And, yes it's always good to start from the bottom and work your way up ;) Turnsole80 (talk) 07:43, 6 June 2017 (CEST)

Oh wow, how I could I have missed that? It looks great! --Eklas (talk) 08:31, 6 June 2017 (CEST)