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Huntington mappers

  • Ernestpcosby = general layout
  • histor = general layout, rails, "Wards 1, 2 and 3"
  • BMSOUZA = special stuff, sports, Canthby and Glen Holden area
  • Whateversusan = Marysville and area to Emerson Point - Ascounia Village
  • yoyo21 = Mintington
  • Stjur = "Ward 16" (Antharian Quarter at northern part New Carnaby Avenue)
  • Zytik = "Ward 13" - University Quarter
  • Qwertyuiop = detailing special in wards 4, 5, 6 and 8
  • Megacity2005Creator = Julianssonhill Village
  • Plainoldbread - Foxhill Village
  • Thanks to: Aiki for the Opera,

Rectangular Street Grids

Some parts of the town - often in denser urbanisazed areas - have a rectangular street grid. Standard is a block of 250 * 100 m (metric, roundabout 820.2 * 328.1 feet) as version "A". The streets between theoretical are broad 20 m (65.6 feet). A sample of this pattern is seen [1] and can taken over with copy and paste. In this sample the streets are broad really 19.80 m. Squares in this street grid may be great as two blocks, then one of the street is interrupted. The small side of the blocks always lay parallel to the main avenue (as in this example pattern).

Beneath this standard-grid in some areas (p.e. south of the Union Railway Station) partly is a smaller grid (version "B") in use with blocks of 200 * 75 m (656.2 * 246.1 feet) and streets broad 16 m (52.5 feet). The reference-pattern you see [2].

Connections to the north

Huntconnetions.jpg

5th subway line

Huntsubway5.jpg

Embassies

offered 2009-Aug-12 Huntembassy.jpg

Suggestions 2019-Aug-5

Hunt all1.jpg Zoning of Huntington. Proposed inhabitants roundabout 1 500 000. Planed city-center. Planed Avenues as urban clearway

  • City - see special graphic below
  • Subcenter = old villages in Huntington area, cluster with more urban devellopement. One of them may be the "Old Huntington" at the rivermouth - here can be the townhall of the whole city (or not). May be around them some shopping-malls
  • dense (purple) = closed street front, shops at main streets, 4 or 5 floors (or sometimes more, but sometimes less). Often with a rectangled street grid
  • mixed (orange) = most closed street front, 2 or 3 floors, small front gardens possible, at the main-roads higher buildings
  • low (Yellow) = open street front, houses isolated with garden.

Main Arterias (Avenues) - names after towns or states of the FSA (?) - designed around 1810 in "imperial" manner, straight and with tree-alleys. This has allowed in the 1870ies horse-tram lines, in the 1900ies streetcars and since the 1960ies subway lines beneath (or may be some of this lines is older and run partly on a viaduct?)


Hunt city0.jpg Why not let the excisting triangle? Around this we can construct the circle of the most important gouvernment buildings. The plan is not totally symmetric - I think, that has more charme as a dead constucted pattern. And one of the great places no circle, but this triangle in the south near building "6" as landmark.

An old railway station on the western side of the river may possible - now as a higher class shopping-mall? Also at the western riverbank may be an "Esplanade" park. The railway station not directly at the eastern Riverbank - this area was urbanisized before 1850 with houses of VIP-people (and is now the financial and commercial centre if the city with some flat-iron buildings and skyscrapers, which in the western city not are allowed. Too in this eastern part the great newspapers have its home.

The now at the easten side existing "Old Huntington" is too rurual and I think, it is to be deleted there - may be moved to the new "Old Huntington" from someone, who uses JOSM (I think BMSOUZA can help).[I know, that you had drawn it].

Questions:

  • Where the red-light quarter? (I think in the southeast if the railway-station or around the station)
  • A main bus station near the railway-station or at an other place?
  • Are the airports at the right place?
  • Can the "main arterias" take all the car-traffic (I think yes, if we made them broad enought)
  • Did we really need a subway? (but this four lines are easy to construct under (or as viaduct over) the avenues and not too much for this town)
  • The university? In the western part?
I like this plan a lot overall. I especially like the detailed inset of the city. It makes sense to preserve a lot of the good mapping in that one part of the center but integrate it as you show here into the larger pattern. The idea for the old station turned shopping mall on the left side of the river makes a lot of sense too- that way the historical end-station idea I and others like mstr proposed could still be included, but with a more reasonable station now that's still cheaper than building a tunnel.
As for your questions-
  • I think that would make sense to put the red light quarter near the railway station. That's sort of a commercial area anyway and the station sort of marks the edge of downtown so that seems logical.
  • Similarly, based on the road setup I think the intercity bus station could be at the railway station. Buses would probably come off FS-1 and use the arterial to reach the station.
  • I think the airports are in the right places for the most part. The regional airport will probably be a little tight for space, but I think it's fine.
  • I would say yes, the main arterials can take the traffic, but with one exception- there would probably need to be an eastern beltline connecting FS-1 and FS-21 as sort of a bypass. It could also act as access to the regional airport.
  • I think the subway is pretty reasonable. It's only ~4 lines as you have mapped out here, which seems reasonable for the population and for the major dense areas that the arterials would go through.
  • I like the idea of having a major university in the west part. Maybe on the arterial that goes west out of the triangle on the mall, out near FS-50
One big question I think might come up is how we fairly layout the parcels if everything does end up on radials like this. A lot of the areas will probably have somewhat rectangular grids, but then there's the difficulty of making that work with the radials.
We might also need to check to make sure this wouldn't mess up the topography that surrounding states are relying on, though you may have already done that. That part might come with a forum post explaining the idea and trying to gain input from other mappers in general but especially those who proposed the other proposals. Tonight I'll try to organize some of the thoughts from this so that we can hopefully bring it up in the forum soon for input from others.
--Ernestpcosby (talk) 23:57, 5 August 2019 (CEST)
If a rectangled grid meets a diagonal Avenue there is always the problem of not rechtangled houses (see Broadway / New York). But this problem too have cities like Paris or Barcelona with its long avenues. I think, such edges can be place of urban city life as restaurants, bars, shops, subway entrances or small places with some trees. You can see this edges as risk or as chance. In Europe this edges most is seen as chance. Often later a landmark in city-life.
An university in the west is clear. The beltline FS-1 to FS-21 you mean at the eastern side of the river? Roger.
The topography of Huntingtn - I think - is relative flat, only moderate hills in the great riverbow, where the city is. The side east of the river may be more hilly.
Because the railways I ask to north and south weeks ago (as I draw the rails for Zytik), but get now answer til now. --Histor (talk) 00:31, 6 August 2019 (CEST)