View source for Forum:Global and regional issues/East Ulethan geographic regions

[[File:East Uletha Regions for renaming purpose.png|center|thumb|1086x1086px]]
<div class="forumheader" style="margin: 1; background-color: #eeeeee; text-align: left; padding: 5px;">'''[[Forum:Index|Forums]] &rarr; [[Forum:Global and regional issues|Global and regional issues]] &rarr; {{PAGENAME}}'''</div>
[[Category:Global and regional issues]]

<!-- Write below this line, please. -->== Purpose ==
This thread aims to agree and formalise names for the various major geographic regions and seas located or adjacent to East Uletha. 
'''2 subcontinents, 9 regions, and 12 seas''' are listed below.
These names are the common Ingerish (English) names for the regions. They'd likely be commonly used in international organisations and be transliterated/translated into other languages. In addition, the seas in the OGF map renderer can be labelled accordingly. Other countries/languages are free to use their own nation-specific name for the regions, reflecting their own cultures and histories (a RW example would be Persian Gulf / Arabian Gulf / The Gulf).

== Naming Process ==
There will be 2 stages for naming the various geographic regions:

# '''Name nominations''' will be gathered for all regions. To add your suggestion, add it as a new row in the table under the corresponding title. This period will run until the '''end of January''', though it may be extended if we have not received enough nominations.
# '''Voting'''. When new name nominations are closed, I'll set up a new set of tables to allow all users to vote. A timeline for the voting will be decided at the start of the voting period. We'll aim for a quorum of 10 voters for the major regions. For the smaller regions, we won't require a large quorum; instead we'll consider the votes sufficient if all active users in the region have voted. Mappers can vote for multiple options if unable to decide just one. In the event of a tie / very close result, we'll consider them on a case by case basis (we may decide to have multiple names for a single region, we may have another vote, etc.)

== Regions ==
Map of regions.

https://imgur.com/a/eNUFtkV

=== Subcontinent 1 ===
{| class="wikitable"
!Name
!Nominator
!Pros
!Cons
|-
|Northeast Uletha
|N/A
|Clear, simple, unambiguous.
"Evergreen" - not dependent on current names / cultures in region.
|Uncreative.
|-
|Frigoterra
|[[User:Ominvar|Ominvar]] ([[User talk:Ominvar|talk]]) 06:05, 6 January 2025 (UTC)
|Stems from Latin, loosely translating into "cold land".
|Not from cultures within area.
|-
|Paskitia
|[[User:Ominvar|Ominvar]] ([[User talk:Ominvar|talk]]) 06:05, 6 January 2025 (UTC)
|Stems from Proto-Permic "paśkit", meaning "wide", conforming to the languages similar to Finnish idea made by ParrotMan
|
|-
|Pošjama or Poshama
|[[User:Izaland Terramorphing Committee|Izaland Terramorphing Committee]] ([[User talk:Izaland Terramorphing Committee|talk]]) 14:08, 6 January 2025 (UTC)
|From Proto-Finnic "''pošja",'' meaning "north" or deep and "''maa",'' meaning "land". 
|A bit difficult to decide how to render it in Ingerish.
|-
|Kulmantia or Kulvantia
|[[User:DT Planner|DT Planner]] ([[User talk:DT Planner|talk]]) 15:46, 6 January 2025 (UTC)
|From Proto-Finno-Permic "''külmä",'' meaning "cold" and from Proto-Uralic "''wamta''", meaning "forest".
|
|}
 Maybe we can name this in Finnish or similar languages in the region to better reflect the area in whole
 [[User:ParrotMan|ParrotMan]] ([[User talk:ParrotMan|talk]]) 21:41, 5 January 2025 (UTC)

=== Subcontinent 2 ===
{| class="wikitable"
!Name
!Nominator
!Pros
!Cons
|-
|Southeast Uletha
|N/A
|Clear, simple, unambiguous.
"Evergreen" - not dependent on current names / cultures in region.
|Uncreative.
|-
|Axia
|N/A
|"OGF meta-history" - hints at the past of the map's development
|Overly similar to "Asia".
Uses unusual phonetics (in both Asian languages and English language). Does not sound Japonic / East Asian.
|-
|Ortusia
|[[User:Ominvar|Ominvar]] ([[User talk:Ominvar|talk]]) 06:05, 6 January 2025 (UTC)
|Stems from "ortus", which roughly translates from Latin into "sunrise", reflecting its position east of the former Romantish Empire.
|May sound unnatural.
|-
|Askia
|[[User:Izaland Terramorphing Committee|Izaland Terramorphing Committee]] ([[User talk:Izaland Terramorphing Committee|talk]]) 14:08, 6 January 2025 (UTC)
|From Proto-Izaki "''askj-''", meaning "country, land", referring to how the territory used to be called by the ancient Izaki nations. Also, similar to the former "Axia(n)".
|
|}

=== Region 1 ===
{| class="wikitable"
!Name
!Nominator
!Pros
!Cons
|-
|Axian Peninsula
|N/A
|Established name, already referred to in wiki.
"OGF meta-history" - hints at the past of the map's development
|Overly similar to "Asia".
Uses unusual phonetics (in both Asian languages and English language). Does not sound Japonic / East Asian.
Peninsula typically refers to small geographic regions and is unusual for such a large area.
|-
|Axia
|N/A
|As above
|As above
|-
|Hoppon
|[[User:Gubble|Gubble]] ([[User talk:Gubble|talk]]) 19:20, 5 January 2025 (UTC)
|"OGF meta-history" - hints at the past of the map's development.
Name is within region's "Japanese" theme.
|Perhaps overly similar to "Nippon".
|-
|Rin'yō
|[[User:Izaland Terramorphing Committee|Izaland Terramorphing Committee]] ([[User talk:Izaland Terramorphing Committee|talk]]) 14:08, 6 January 2025 (UTC)
|In "Japanese" would be 林陽, meaning "the forest facing the sun", similarly to the region of San'yō in Japan, meaning "the mountains facing the sun(=south).
|Maybe a bit difficult to render in Ingerish
|}

=== Region 2 ===
{| class="wikitable"
!Name
!Nominator
!Pros
!Cons
|-
|Far-east Uletha
|[[User:Gubble|Gubble]] ([[User talk:Gubble|talk]]) 19:20, 5 January 2025 (UTC)
|Clear, simple, unambiguous.
"Evergreen" - not dependent on current names / cultures in region.
|Uncreative.
|-
|Orientalia
|[[User:ParrotMan|ParrotMan]] ([[User talk:ParrotMan|talk]]) 21:41, 5 January 2025 (UTC)
|Stems from the latin word "Orientalis", which means "east" or "easterly". 
Similar to how Australia is named.
|Looks clunky. Possible alternative can be: "Orentalia", maybe "Orentia"?
|-
|[river derived]
|[[User:Izaland Terramorphing Committee|Izaland Terramorphing Committee]] ([[User talk:Izaland Terramorphing Committee|talk]]) 14:08, 6 January 2025 (UTC)
|A name is derived from a wide and important river flowing throughout the area. The name could have an indigenous derivation.
The result could be something like "Amazonia"
|The area is still mostly empty
|-
|Near East
|[[User:Leowezy|Leowezy]] ([[User talk:Leowezy|talk]]) 12:05, 8 January 2025 (UTC)
|Similar reasoning than Orientalia, but analogous to real-world "middle east" (Arabian peninsular from American perspective) or "near east" (from European perspective).
|Some might say it also sounds "too straightforward"; but in the real world most subcontinents are named using cardinal directions.
|}

=== Region 3 ===
{| class="wikitable"
!Name
!Nominator
!Pros
!Cons
|-
|Lantian Peninsula
|N/A
|Established name, already referred to in wiki.
|Named shared with existing country, which may cause confusion.
|-
|
|
|
|
|-
|
|
|
|
|}

=== Region 4 ===
{| class="wikitable"
!Name
!Nominator
!Pros
!Cons
|-
|Darcodian Coast
|N/A
|Established name, already referred to in wiki.
|Darcodian Coast could be seen as ambiguous, as it only refers to the south coast of the Darcodian Sea
|-
|Neu-Kalm
|[[User:Izaland Terramorphing Committee|Izaland Terramorphing Committee]] ([[User talk:Izaland Terramorphing Committee|talk]]) 14:08, 6 January 2025 (UTC)
|Indicating that the region was formerly colonized by Kalm.
|
|-
|Middle / Central East Uletha
|[[User:Leowezy|Leowezy]] ([[User talk:Leowezy|talk]]) 12:13, 8 January 2025 (UTC)
|Since this region name is supposed to encompass the whole middle part of this subcontinent, it will include many very different cultural spheres. A more geographic, neutral name seems appropriate then (similar to "Middle America", "Central Europe"), instead of a Germanic name, which seems more appropriate for the Darcodian Sea instead.
|
|}

=== Region 5 ===
{| class="wikitable"
!Name
!Nominator
!Pros
!Cons
|-
|No Name
|N/A
|Region does not have distinctive borders.
|
|-
|Ispelian Peninsula
|[[User:Ominvar|Ominvar]] ([[User talk:Ominvar|talk]]) 06:05, 6 January 2025 (UTC)
|Refers to a major country in the region
|
|-
|
|
|
|
|}

=== Region 6 ===
{| class="wikitable"
!Name
!Nominator
!Pros
!Cons
|-
|Ulethan Mideast
|N/A
|Established name, already referred to in wiki.
|Perhaps overly similar to RW "Middle East". May be misleading, as the vision for the region includes different cultures to the RW Middle East.
|-
|Transivera
|[[User:Gubble|Gubble]] ([[User talk:Gubble|talk]]) 22:27, 5 January 2025 (UTC)
|Meaning beyond the Iveran sea. Inspired by RW "Transoxania".
|
|-
|Transuletha / Transulethia
|[[User:Leowezy|Leowezy]] ([[User talk:Leowezy|talk]]) 12:16, 8 January 2025 (UTC)
|Highlights bridge-function between East and West Ulehta
|
|-
|
|
|
|
|}

=== Region 7 ===
{| class="wikitable"
!Name
!Nominator
!Pros
!Cons
|-
|Combine with region 8
|N/A
|
|Region 7 holds distinct geographical boundaries and features; it should be deserving of a distinction from Region 8.
|-
|Voltan Passage
|[[User:ParrotMan|ParrotMan]] ([[User talk:ParrotMan|talk]]) 21:41, 5 January 2025 (UTC)
|Reflects the Gulf of Volta Region...
|In no way reflects the German influence, same cons as Sea 7
Also I have no idea on what to put after "Volta", ideas are welcome as "passage" in my brain usually translates to water travel rather than one over land.
|-
|Intermaria
|[[User:Ominvar|Ominvar]] ([[User talk:Ominvar|talk]]) 19:15, 6 January 2025 (UTC)
|Translates roughly to "between seas", a fitting description for the region.
|Does not reflect Germanic culture in the region
|}

=== Region 8 ===
{| class="wikitable"
!Name
!Nominator
!Pros
!Cons
|-
|Scythe of Uletha
|N/A
|Established name, already referred to in wiki.
|
|-
|Whale Sea States
|N/A
|Established name, already referred to in wiki.
|
|-
|Scythe of Uletha/Whale Sea States
|[[User:ParrotMan|ParrotMan]] ([[User talk:ParrotMan|talk]]) 21:41, 5 January 2025 (UTC)
|Make them interchangeable, minimize effect to wiki.
|That's crazy
|}

=== Region 9 ===
{| class="wikitable"
!Name
!Nominator
!Pros
!Cons
|-
|Plurinesia
|N/A
|Established name, already referred to in wiki.
|
|-
|
|
|
|
|-
|
|
|
|
|}

=== Sea 1 ===
{| class="wikitable"
!Name
!Nominator
!Pros
!Cons
|-
|Gulf of Axia
|N/A
|Established name, already referred to in wiki.
|This sea is not a "gulf".
Same cons as referred to in Region 1. 
|-
|Umi Sea
|[[User:Gubble|Gubble]] ([[User talk:Gubble|talk]]) 19:45, 5 January 2025 (UTC)
|From Japanese for "Ocean". Reference to common trend of doubled-names due to translation errors.
|
|-
|Konjio Sea or Konshi Sea
|[[User:Izaland Terramorphing Committee|Izaland Terramorphing Committee]] ([[User talk:Izaland Terramorphing Committee|talk]]) 14:09, 6 January 2025 (UTC)
|From the "Japanese" 紺塩 (Kon-jio), inspired by the Kuroshio (黒潮) sea current, one of the largest in the world. Due to the different temperatures of the water, the seawater flowing in this area has a deeper colour. Here 紺 (kon, navy blue) has been used instead of 黒 (kuro, black).
|
|}

=== Sea 2 ===
{| class="wikitable"
!Name
!Nominator
!Pros
!Cons
|-
|Sea of Belphenia
|N/A
|Established name, already referred to in wiki.
|Due to the recent redrawing of Region 1, Belphenia does not share a large border with the sea.
|-
|North Bai Sea
|[[User:Izaland Terramorphing Committee|Izaland Terramorphing Committee]] ([[User talk:Izaland Terramorphing Committee|talk]]) 14:10, 6 January 2025 (UTC)
|Refers to the dominant historic power, the Bai Empire.
|Reliant on the Bai empire not changing names.
|-
|
|
|
|
|}

=== Sea 3 ===
{| class="wikitable"
!Name
!Nominator
!Pros
!Cons
|-
|N/A
|N/A
|
|Mappers aren't clearly established in the region.
|-
|
|
|
|
|-
|
|
|
|
|}

=== Sea 4 ===
{| class="wikitable"
!Name
!Nominator
!Pros
!Cons
|-
|Sound of Pa
|N/A
|Established name, already referred to in wiki.
|This sea is not a "sound". Sound is a very western term, and the sea is located in an Japonic/Koreanic cultural region.
Name is overly fantastical.
"Pa" has unclear origins and does not evoke Japonic/Koreanic culture.
|-
|Kita Sea
|[[User:Gubble|Gubble]] ([[User talk:Gubble|talk]]) 19:20, 5 January 2025 (UTC)
|Japanese for "North". Refers to a dominant historic power, the currently unnamed UL30c.
|
|-
|Nanda Sea
|Dabikun
|Nanda stems from Izaki root meaning "far, ignote". Refers to a dominant historic power, Izaland.
|
|-
|Inland Sea
|[[User:Gubble|Gubble]] ([[User talk:Gubble|talk]]) 19:20, 5 January 2025 (UTC)
|"Evergreen" - not dependent on current names / cultures in region.
|Not specific. There are a lot of inland seas in OGF.
|-
|East Uletha Sea
|[[User:Gubble|Gubble]] ([[User talk:Gubble|talk]]) 19:20, 5 January 2025 (UTC)
|"Evergreen" - not dependent on current names / cultures in region. Reflects a history where there was no single name for the sea until colonists arrive and gave it the arbitrary name.
|May be confusing, as there are several large seas in East Uletha.
|-
|Ikeiwan Sea
|[[User:Awesomeboy123|Awesomeboy123]] ([[User talk:Awesomeboy123|talk]]) 14:44, 6 January 2025 (UTC)
|Originally referring to the southern Itakiri Prefecture calderas being called "mushrooms in ponds" by the Izaki people, and can be used to describe the archipelagos in this inland sea (the pond being the sea itself)
|
|-
|Sea of Izaland
|[[User:Ominvar|Ominvar]] ([[User talk:Ominvar|talk]]) 19:15, 6 January 2025 (UTC)
|Refers to a major power in the region, reflects the naming of seas after neighboring lands in real world East Asia (East China Sea, South China Sea, Sea of Japan, Philippine Sea, etc.)
|
|-
|Sea of [Name of Japanese Homeland]
|[[User:Leowezy|Leowezy]] ([[User talk:Leowezy|talk]]) 12:22, 8 January 2025 (UTC)
|Many adjacent countries would probably name the sea after themselves in their respective languages. When Ingerish ships fared through this region for the first time however, the Japan-equivalent UL30c would have been the dominant power in this region, likely resulting in the Ingerish reflecting that (similar to the Sea of Japan). 
|
|}

=== Sea 5 ===
{| class="wikitable"
!Name
!Nominator
!Pros
!Cons
|-
|Kaspen Sea
|N/A
|Established name, already referred to in wiki.
|Sounds like "Caspian sea" in IRL
|-
|
|
|
|
|-
|
|
|
|
|}

=== Sea 6 ===
{| class="wikitable"
!Name
!Nominator
!Pros
!Cons
|-
|Darcodian Sea
|N/A
|Established name, already referred to in wiki.
Refers to city "Darcodia" on its west coast.
|
|-
|
|
|
|
|-
|
|
|
|
|}

=== Sea 7 ===
{| class="wikitable"
!Name
!Nominator
!Pros
!Cons
|-
|Gulf of Volta
|N/A
|Established name, already referred to in wiki.
Named after the island of Volta on its west coast.
|Name perhaps sounds unusually slavic, considering the local cultures are largely German and English colonial.
|-
|Gulf of Merga
|[[User:Ominvar|Ominvar]] ([[User talk:Ominvar|talk]]) 19:15, 6 January 2025 (UTC)
|Named after the island of Merga on its west coast.
|
|-
|Ostmeer
|[[User:Ominvar|Ominvar]] ([[User talk:Ominvar|talk]]) 19:15, 6 January 2025 (UTC)
|German for "East Sea", reflects local culture and position relative to Germanic countries
|
|-
|
|
|
|
|}

=== Sea 8 ===
{| class="wikitable"
!Name
!Nominator
!Pros
!Cons
|-
|Emerald Sea
|N/A
|Established name, already referred to in wiki.
|
|-
|
|
|
|
|-
|
|
|
|
|}

=== Sea 9 ===
{| class="wikitable"
!Name
!Nominator
!Pros
!Cons
|-
|Scythian Sea
|N/A
|Established name, already referred to in wiki.
Refers to "Scythe of Uletha".
|Scythia is a fairly well known RW culture/region. Name should be avoided to avoid confusion with RW.
|-
|
|
|
|
|-
|
|
|
|
|}

=== Sea 10 ===
{| class="wikitable"
!Name
!Nominator
!Pros
!Cons
|-
|Gulf of Eiha/Eihan Gulf
|[[User:Awesomeboy123|Awesomeboy123]] ([[User talk:Awesomeboy123|talk]]) 14:44, 6 January 2025 (UTC)
|Ancient name for Lantian peninsula. Meaning "9 mountains", for the 9 great (sacred) mountains in the modern-day Lantian Peninsula.
|
|-
|
|
|
|
|-
|
|
|
|
|}

=== Sea 13 ===
{| class="wikitable"
!Name
!Nominator
!Pros
!Cons
|-
|Valian Sea / Great Whale Sea
|N/A
|Established names, already referred to in wiki.
|Two names are interchangeable. If a mapper wants to suggest making only one name official, please add a suggestion in the row below.
|-
|
|
|
|
|-
|
|
|
|
|}

=== Sea 14 ===
{| class="wikitable"
!Name
!Nominator
!Pros
!Cons
|-
|No Name
|N/A
|Name is not required and the sea can be considered part of the Ardentic Ocean. 
|Names are useful for regional identity, coordination, and map reading.
|-
|Berring Sea
|[[User:Gubble|Gubble]] ([[User talk:Gubble|talk]]) 22:27, 5 January 2025 (UTC)
|Loosely from Chinese "Beiyang" meaning north ocean. Ingerish colonists would have named the sea based off what they heard from the North Archantan locals.
|Native Chinese speaker needs to validate if the translation of "Beiyang" is accurate.
|-
|
|
|
|
|}

== Other Comments ==
Only regions which include / border 4 or more countries have been included.

The large seas (particularly Sea 4 and Sea 5) would likely include different names for the smaller bodies of water within the sea. The individual countries which encompass/border these constituent bodies of water are free to name these smaller bodies of water as they please.

Mountain ranges have not been included in this forum thread, though we expect a separate discussion may be needed in the future to name mountain ranges.


Please consider the East Ulethan vision ([[OpenGeofiction:East Uletha|OpenGeofiction:East Uletha - OpenGeofiction]]) when naming the region.

A brief summary of the cultures are below:

Japanese and Korean (and similar conlangs) in the South-east.

Indo-Aryan in the South-west.

German in the centre (all around the Darcodian Sea)

Slavic in the West (Ohemia)

Finno-Ugric natives scattered across the centre and north.

English colonial in the east

Various native conlangs in the north.