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| width="50%" | [[File:Flag_of_France.svg|28px]] Le nom de Franqueterre a été longtemps débattu pour savoir s'il convenait au pays. Les membres ont exprimé à la fois leur appréciation et leur désapprobation du nom, en particulier en raison de son lien avec le pays réel qu'est la France ''(Franque - France)''. C'est pourquoi j'ai décidé ([[User:Bixelkoven|Bixelkoven]]) de lancer la discussion sur le changement de nom du pays. Tout le monde est invité à suggérer une idée de nom.

Quelques points à noter:
*Evitez l'utilisation du terme Franque, une option pour garder le nom de Franqueterre dans le vote final sera présentée, il est donc suggéré de trouver de nouveaux termes à la place.
*Sachant que tout le monde ne parle pas français, il est suggéré de ne pas créer de combinaisons de mots simples qui pourraient sembler trop génériques. Par exemple : Terrenoire (« noir » + « terre »). Au contraire, l'expérimentation est la bienvenue et les étymologies inhabituelles sont généralement acceptées, à condition que le produit final ait du sens et qu'il sonne bien.
*Veuillez éviter tout lien avec la France, la Gaule ou toute autre région ou lieu lié à la France d'une manière ou d'une autre. Ces noms ne seront pas pris en considération.
*Vous pouvez proposer à la fois le nom d'origine en français et une version anglaise utilisée à l'échelle internationale. Il n'est pas impératif d'utiliser le nom français comme nom international, mais cela est également possible.
| width="50%" | [[File:Flag_of_the_United_Kingdom.svg|28px]] Franqueterre's name has been long debated if suitable for the country. Members have expressed both likes and dislikes of the name, particularly due to its connection to the real world country France ''(Franque - France)''. With that, I ([[User:Bixelkoven|Bixelkoven]]) have decided to initiate the discussion for the name change of the country. Anyone is welcome to suggest a name idea.

Some things to note:
*Avoid the usage of the term ''Franque'', an option to keep the name to ''Franqueterre'' in the final vote will be presented, so it is suggested to come up with new terms instead.
*With the understanding and consideration that not everyone speaks French, it is suggested to not create simple word combinations that may sound too generic. For example: ''Terrenoire'' ('' 'black' '' + '' 'land' ''). Instead, experimentation is very welcome and odd etymologies are generally fine, given that the final product makes sense and sounds alright.
*Please avoid any connections with France, Gaul or any other areas/places connected to France in some way. Those names will not be considered.
*You may come up with both the native name in French, and an English version used internationally. It is not imperative to use the French name as the international name, but that is also welcome.
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== Propositions de noms / ''Name proposals'' ==
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| style="background:#ffdad1; border:1px solid #eb5834; padding:1em; margin:auto;"| FR - '''LE VOTE EST TERMINÉ''' - L'entrée gagnante est :
*'''Valonne''' -  comme nouveau nom de la nation, soumis par l'utilisateur {{user|varnel_maiser}},

Les entrées restantes seront réutilisées dans tout le pays.<br>Les résultats du vote sont répertoriés ci-dessous - merci d'avoir voté !<br><br>EN - '''THE VOTING HAS FINISHED''' - The winning entry is:
*'''Valonne''' -  as the new name for the nation, submitted by user {{user|varnel_maiser}},

The remaining entries will be reused throughout the country.<br>Voting results are listed below - thank you for voting!
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| width="50%" valign="top" |Veuillez ajouter vos suggestions à la fin du tableau, ajouter une étymologie (qu'elle soit officielle ou qu'elle vous soit venue à l'esprit par hasard), et assurez-vous de signer votre nom.
| width="50%" valign="top" |Please add your suggestions to the end of the table, add an etymology (whether official, or if it randomly came up on your mind), and make sure to sign your name.
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! Name
!English name
! Etymology
! Author
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| '''Franqueterre'''
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| Land of the ''Franques(?)''
| [[User:Varnel_maiser|varnel_maiser]]
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| '''Selamane'''
|'''Celmane'''
| Zeltmanreik - Kingdom of the ''Tent Man(?) Celtmanii in Romantish (not to be confused with Celts)''
| [[Davieerr]]
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| '''Affene'''
|'''Aphen'''
| Afennia - Land of the ''Afenn/Fenn(?)''
| [[Davieerr]]
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|'''Montlarie''' 
|'''Montlary'''
|mont ('mountain') + laurier/lorier ('laurel', as in symbol of glory and honour)
|[[User:Ante44|Ante44]]
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|'''Valterre'''
|'''Valter, Valtery'''
|val ('valley, vale', by extension 'hilly terrain') + terre ('land')
|[[User:Ante44|Ante44]]
|-style="background:#e3ffbd
| '''Valonne'''
| '''Valonne, Valony'''
| An extreme corruption of an original name "Val de Rouge."
| [[User:Varnel_maiser|varnel_maiser]]
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| '''Clairanie'''
| '''Clairany, Clarany'''
| The land of the "Clairs", a possible indigenous population with northern tracts, hence "clair".
| [[User:Izaland Terramorphing Committee|Izaland]]
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| '''Véroulie'''
| '''Verouly''', '''Verulia'''
| Derived from the progressive corruption of the Proto-Franquese name "Vesaegoliṷāti."
| [[User:Geoc3ladus|Geoc3ladus]]
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<span style="color:#ed2895">'''Vote''' / ''Voting'':</span>
*'''Franqueterre (c'est-à-dire ne pas changer le nom actuel)''' / ''(i.e. do not change the present name)''
#[[User:Chazeltine|Chazeltine]] ([[User talk:Chazeltine|talk]]) 13:44, 14 September 2024 (UTC)
#[[User:Geoc3ladus|Geoc3ladus]] ([[User talk:Geoc3ladus|talk]]) 15:41, 14 September 2024 (UTC)
#[[User:Lithium-Ion]] | [https://opengeofiction.net/user/Lithium-Ion|OGF] ([[User talk:Lithium|talk]]) 15:45, 14 September 2024 (UTC)
#[[User:Diamantschiff|Diamantschiff]] ([[User talk:Diamantschiff|talk]]) 19:39, 14 September 2024 (UTC)
#[[User:Brunanter|Brunanter]] ([[User talk:Brunanter|talk]]) 23:48, 14 September 2024 (UTC)
#[[User:Izaland Terramorphing Committee|Izaland Terramorphing Committee]] ([[User talk:Izaland Terramorphing Committee|talk]]) 00:45, 15 September 2024 (UTC)
#--[[User:Stjur|Stjur]] ([[User talk:Stjur|talk]]) 04:28, 15 September 2024 (UTC)
#[[User:Themapper53|Themapper53]] ([[User talk:Themapper53|talk]]) 07:06, 15 September 2024 (UTC)
#[[User:newflanders|Newflanders]] ([[User talk:newflanders|talk]]) 06:00, 16 September 2024 (UTC)
#[[User:Aiki|Aiki]] ([[User talk:Aiki|talk]]) 11:46, 16 September 2024 (UTC)
#[[User:Paul Pfh|Paul Pfh]] ([[User talk:Paul Pfh|talk]]) 21:23, 16 September 2024 (UTC)
#[[User:ParAvion|ParAvion]] ([[User talk:ParAvion|talk]]) 20:24, 20 September 2024 (UTC)
#[[User:Luciano|Luciano]] ([[User talk:Luciano|talk]]) 00:27, 21 September 2024 (UTC)

*'''Selamane'''
#--[[User:Fluffr Nuttr|Fluffr Nuttr]] ([[User talk:Fluffr Nuttr|talk]]) 17:40, 14 September 2024 (UTC)
#[[User:Martinawa|Martinawa]] ([[User talk:Martinawa|talk]]) 07:07, 19 September 2024 (UTC)

*'''Affene''' 
*'''Montlarie'''


*'''Valterre'''
#⸺ [[User:Bixelkoven|Bixelkoven]] ([[User talk:Bixelkoven|talk]]) (West Uletha Admin) 13:00, 14 September 2024 (UTC)
#[[User:Chazeltine|Chazeltine]] ([[User talk:Chazeltine|talk]]) 13:44, 14 September 2024 (UTC)
#[[User:Sweetykid|Sweetykid]] ([[User talk:Sweetykid|talk]]) 17:08, 14 September 2024 (UTC)
#- [[User:Varnel maiser|Thanks, Zekiel]] ([[User talk:Varnel maiser|talk]]) 17:44, 14 September 2024 (UTC)
#--[[User:IiEarth|IiEarth]] ([[User talk:IiEarth|talk]]) 01:08, 15 September 2024 (UTC)
#[[User:Mtejku222|Mtejku222]] ([[User talk:Mtejku222|talk]]) 05:38, 15 September 2024 (UTC)
#[[User:Themapper53|Themapper53]] ([[User talk:Themapper53|talk]]) 07:06, 15 September 2024 (UTC)
# [[User:Rustem Pasha|Rustem Pasha]] ([[User talk:Rustem Pasha|talk]]) 10:51, 15 September 2024 (UTC)
# [[User:Ante44|Ante44]] ([[User talk:Ante44|talk]]) 11:21, 15 September 2024 (UTC)
# &mdash; [[User:Alessa|Alessa]] <sub>([[User talk:Alessa|talk]])</sub> 21:04, 15 September 2024 (UTC)

*'''Valonne'''
#⸺ [[User:Bixelkoven|Bixelkoven]] ([[User talk:Bixelkoven|talk]]) (West Uletha Admin) 13:00, 14 September 2024 (UTC)
#[[User:Sweetykid|Sweetykid]] ([[User talk:Sweetykid|talk]]) 17:08, 14 September 2024 (UTC)
#--[[User:Fluffr Nuttr|Fluffr Nuttr]] ([[User talk:Fluffr Nuttr|talk]]) 17:40, 14 September 2024 (UTC)
#- [[User:Varnel maiser|Thanks, Zekiel]] ([[User talk:Varnel maiser|talk]]) 17:44, 14 September 2024 (UTC)
#[[User:Diamantschiff|Diamantschiff]] ([[User talk:Diamantschiff|talk]]) 19:39, 14 September 2024 (UTC)
#--[[User:IiEarth|IiEarth]] ([[User talk:IiEarth|talk]]) 01:08, 15 September 2024 (UTC)
#[[User:Lithium-Ion]] | [https://opengeofiction.net/user/Lithium-Ion|OGF] ([[User talk:Lithium|talk]]) 01:21, 15 September 2024 (UTC)
#[[User:Mapping Expert|Mapping Expert]] ([[User talk:Mapping Expert|talk]]) 02:59, 15 September 2024 (UTC)
#[[User:Imperator|Imperator]] ([[User talk:Imperator|talk]]) 02:47, 15 September 2024 (UTC)
#[[User:Mtejku222|Mtejku222]] ([[User talk:Mtejku222|talk]]) 05:38, 15 September 2024 (UTC)
#[[User:Ruadh|Ruadh]] ([[User talk:Ruadh|talk]]) 06:59, 15 September 2024 (UTC)
#[[User:Rustem Pasha|Rustem Pasha]] ([[User talk:Rustem Pasha|talk]]) 10:51, 15 September 2024 (UTC)
#[[User:Ante44|Ante44]] ([[User talk:Ante44|talk]]) 11:21, 15 September 2024 (UTC)
#[[User:Mantan|Mantan]] ([[User talk:Mantan|talk]]) 13:11, 15 September 2024 (UTC)
#[[User:Sergjack|Sergjack]] ([[User talk:Sergjack|talk]]) 14:46, 15 September 2024 (UTC)
#[[User:Wangi|wangi]] ([[User talk:Wangi|talk]]) 19:19, 15 September 2024 (UTC)
# &mdash; [[User:Alessa|Alessa]] <sub>([[User talk:Alessa|talk]])</sub> 21:04, 15 September 2024 (UTC)
#[[User:Timboh|Timboh]] ([[User talk:Timboh|talk]]) 07:27, 16 September 2024 (UTC)
#[[User:Davieerr|Davieerr]] ([[User talk:Davieerr|talk]]) 14:05, 16 September 2024 (UTC)
#[[User:Martinawa|Martinawa]] ([[User talk:Martinawa|talk]]) 07:07, 19 September 2024 (UTC)
#[[User:ParAvion|ParAvion]] ([[User talk:ParAvion|talk]]) 20:24, 20 September 2024 (UTC)

*'''Clairanie'''
#[[User:Brunanter|Brunanter]] ([[User talk:Brunanter|talk]]) 23:48, 14 September 2024 (UTC)
#[[User:Sergjack|Sergjack]] ([[User talk:Sergjack|talk]]) 14:46, 15 September 2024 (UTC)
#[[User:Timboh|Timboh]] ([[User talk:Timboh|talk]]) 07:27, 16 September 2024 (UTC)
#[[User:Davieerr|Davieerr]] ([[User talk:Davieerr|talk]]) 14:05, 16 September 2024 (UTC)

*'''Véroulie'''
#[[User:Geoc3ladus|Geoc3ladus]] ([[User talk:Geoc3ladus|talk]]) 15:41, 14 September 2024 (UTC)
#--[[User:IiEarth|IiEarth]] ([[User talk:IiEarth|talk]]) 01:08, 15 September 2024 (UTC)

== Discussion / ''Discussion'' ==

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=== [[File:Flag_of_France.svg|28px]] French ===
DISCUTER ICI

=== [[File:Flag_of_the_United_Kingdom.svg|28px]] English ===
So from I have ''quickly'' gathered, La France is the general name for France in French, coming from Francia, but the actual transition being made because of Ilê-de-France, which though I was not able to find, I believe is just a slight change of sound, seing how Modern French generally doesn't pronounce the last letter, Francia would be Franci, which sound close to France, it's clear its a slight change on vowels, but the moment that happened isnt very clear to me. Still, this is just to get us on the same page.
The name France we know comes from the Franks, and most languages either call France a variation of: France, Land of the French or a variation of Gaul (i.e. Greek calling it Gallia). 
That being said, there is a "clear" origin in a germanic word that was latinized and evolved. Austrasia is the original land of the franks, even though Franks called it Oster Reik (yes like Austria). So I guess we have a few options to go from, either a name derived from a latinized Celtic name, a latinized germanic name or we follow a new path that isn't either one. I will give my proposals from this ideas. [[User:Davieerr|Davieerr]] ([[User talk:Davieerr|talk]]) 00:04, 17 July 2024 (UTC)

* A little premature, but I would like to propose a name for the capital city as well: « Bourderoi », coming from the term « Bourg de Roi ». --- [[User:Varnel maiser|Thanks, Zekiel]] ([[User talk:Varnel maiser|talk]]) 15:01, 17 July 2024 (UTC)

* I second the proposal made by Davieerr. I feel a name derived from an indigenous group would best justify any potential name's etymology. I feel as if either a Celtic, Germanic, or some derivative would best suit the region. -- [[User:Geoc3ladus|Geoc3ladus]] ([[User talk:Geoc3ladus|talk]]) 18:19, 17 July 2024 (UTC)