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| '''Rozważania nad nową nazwą państwa'''<br>
Nazwa Lechia ma problem z brakiem oryginalności – jest to słowo powszechnie używane w języku polskim i stanowi alternatywne, eufemistyczne określenie Polski. Od tego terminu wywodzą się także nazwy Polski w niektórych językach wschodnioeuropejskich, takich jak krymskotatarski i turecki, gdzie używa się formy ''Lehistan''. Z tego powodu uznałem za zasadne rozpocząć rozważania nad zmianą nazwy.<br>
Poniższa strona dyskusyjna ma charakter konsultacji społecznych. Zapraszamy wszystkich – nie tylko czynnych uczestników projektu – do zgłaszania propozycji nowej nazwy. Prosimy o krótki zarys etymologiczny oraz propozycję tłumaczenia nazwy na język angielski. Z góry dziękujemy wszystkim, którzy zechcą zaangażować się w dyskusję. 
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| '''Reflections on a new name for the State'''<br>
The name Lechia suffers from a lack of originality – it is a commonly used word in the Polish language and serves as an alternative, euphemistic term for Poland. This term also forms the basis of the name for Poland in several East European languages, such as Crimean Tatar and Turkish, where the form ''Lehistan'' is used. For this reason, I have deemed it appropriate to begin considering the idea of changing the name.<br>
This discussion page is intended as a platform for public consultation. We invite everyone – not just active participants in the project – to submit their proposals for a new name. Please include a brief etymological outline and a suggestion for translating the name into English. We extend our thanks in advance to all who choose to engage in the discussion. 
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[[User:Olejowy|Olejowy]] ([[User talk:Olejowy|talk]]) 17:41, 17 September 2024 (UTC)

== Propozycje / Suggestions ==

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! Lp.<br>No. !! Propozycja<br>Suggestion !! Wersja angielska<br>English version !! Nazwy mieszkańców<br>Demonym !! Etymologia<br>Etymology !! Autor pomysłu<br>Author of the idea
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| 1. 
|| Lemina 
|| Leminia 
|| Leminians 
|width=30%| It can be considered that the root ''Lemi-'' comes from the hypothetical Proto-Velitic word ''lěmъ'', which could have meant ''edge'' - what refers to the eastern coast 
|| [[User:Olejowy|Olejowy]] ([[User talk:Olejowy|talk]])
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| 2. 
|| Lemigalia 
|| Lemigalia 
|| Lemigalians 
|| It can be considered that the root ''Lemi-'' comes from the hypothetical Proto-Velitic word ''lěmъ'', which could have meant ''edge''. The suffix ''-galia'' could derive from the Proto-Velitic word ''golъ'', which meant ''bare, naked, without trees'', and could refer to open spaces.
|| [[User:Olejowy|Olejowy]] ([[User talk:Olejowy|talk]])
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| 3. || Lemiłgawa || Lemilgava || Lemilgavans || It can be considered that the root ''Lemi-'' comes from the hypothetical Proto-Velitic word ''lěmъ'', which could have meant ''edge''. The suffix '-łgawa' could be a combination of the Proto-Velitic word ''lugъ'', which meant ''meadow, wetland'' (as in the word ''łęg'', referring to a marshy area), and the ending ''-awa,'' typical for river names. || [[User:Olejowy|Olejowy]] ([[User talk:Olejowy|talk]])
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| 4. || Lacja||Lacia||Lacians|| From Oldpolish word ''lacki'' (polish, catholic).|| [[User:Lankusiek|Lankusiek]] ([[User talk:Lankusiek|talk]])
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|5.  || Nowakia||Novakia||Novakian|| As I known nothing about polish language, I took a look in Google and seems loke Nowak is the most popular surname in Poland. I tried to created something like "Nowak's land". Yes, I got an OGF-country using this name in south Tarephia, but surely I would change it if you choose this name, as I seems to fit better in current Lechia than in south Tarephia. || [[User:BMSOUZA|BMSOUZA]] ([[User talk:BMSOUZA|talk]]) 13:23, 21 September 2024 (UTC)
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| 6. 
|| Zetrwalia 
|| Zetrwalia 
|| Zetrwalians 
|| From zetrwać (przetrwać, wytrzymać, wybyć — survive, endure, get through), and the ending ''–lia''.      ''Final form can be modified''
|| [[User:Lankusiek|Lankusiek]] ([[User talk:Lankusiek|talk]])
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| 7. 
|| Zawikłynia 
|| Zaviklynia 
|| Zaviklynians 
|| Literal translation could be "The country beyond the ''rift''" referring to the passage of the Velitic peoples through the rift. From ''za-'' (beyond), ''wnik'' or ''wnitek'' (ciasne przejście — tight passage) or ''wnikły'' (wgłębiony — recessed), however, the letter ''n'' has disappeared, and additionally the ending ''–nia''.
|| [[User:Lankusiek|Lankusiek]] ([[User talk:Lankusiek|talk]])
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| 8.
|| Kołenska
|| Colne / Kolna / Kolenia
|| Kolnians / Kolenians
|| Uncertain etymology, some ideas:<br>- from Proto-Velitic ''kòlъ'' ((wooden) stake, ''sudis'' (Roman defensive object (uncertain)));<br>- from Proto-Velitic ''koltъ'' (to gouge, create a hole);<br>- from Proto-Velitic ''kolesьnъ'' (wheel);<br>- from Proto-Velitic ''kolěno'' (knee)
|| [[User:Bixelkoven|Bixelkoven]] ([[User talk:Bixelkoven|talk]])
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| 9.
|| Łenska
|| Lenn / Lenia / Lenardia
|| Lennish / Lenians / ''Lennards(?)'' /<small>Potential derivatives: Lenard (The Lenard Order)<small>
|| Uncertain etymology, some ideas:<br>- from ''len'' (linen, flax);<br>- from Proto-Uletarephian word ''*leǵ-'' (to gather, to collect) -> ''*leǵ-no-m'' (that which is collected);<br>- from Proto-Velitic ''*lěnь'' (lazy)
||[[User:Bixelkoven|Bixelkoven]] ([[User talk:Bixelkoven|talk]])
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| 10.
|| Ignarchia 
|| Ignarchia
|| Ignarchian
|| It derives directly from the Latin word ''ignis'', meaning ''fire''.
|| [[User:Olejowy|Olejowy]] ([[User talk:Olejowy|talk]])
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| 11. 
|| Zasokocja / Zachocja
|| Zasocosia / Zachosia
|| Zasocosians / Zachosians
|| Uncertain etymology. Uncle Google said that cleft/chasm (polish: szczelina) is socors in latin, but it is rather not.
|| [[User:Lankusiek|Lankusiek]] ([[User talk:Lankusiek|talk]])
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| 12.
|| Wietacja /<br>Wełtacja / Wełtycja
|| Vietacia / Vetacia /<br>Velitacia / Veliticia
|| Vietacians / Vetacians /<br>Velitacians / Veliticians 
|| Uncertain etymology. Could be from the name of the Wietaci/Wełtyci (Vietati/Vieti/Velti/Velitic?) tribe, and that from Proto-Velitic ''vějati'' (wiać — to blow) or ''věťati'' (''wiecać,'' mówić — to say). It would mean, ''there where the wind blows'' or/and ''those who say''.
|| [[User:Lankusiek|Lankusiek]] ([[User talk:Lankusiek|talk]])
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| 13.
|| Bobrycja
|| Bobricia
|| Bobricians
|| not really a serious entry just bober
|| [[User:Mie|Mie]] ([[User talk:Mie|talk]]
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==Dyskusja / Discussion==
For my proposals, I've noted only the root words for the names, the actual stories and how the names formed and changed overtime can be derived from those, but I didn't want to overfill the table with lots of text. ⸺ [[User:Bixelkoven|Bixelkoven]] ([[User talk:Bixelkoven|talk]]) (West Uletha Admin) 11:53, 5 October 2024 (UTC)

==Wybór nazwy / Selection of a name==

Na propozycje czekamy do 13 października, do godziny 20:00. Wówczas planujemy zorganizować na discordzie dyskusję, której celem będzie wybór nazwy. Do udziału w głosowaniu zapraszamy użytkowników polskojęzycznych. Po głosowaniu zostanie umieszczony tutaj protokół z głosowania

We are waiting for proposals until October 13th, at 8:00 PM. At that time, we plan to organize a discussion on Discord, aimed at selecting a name. We invite Polish-speaking users to participate in the voting. After the voting, the voting report will be posted here.

[[User:Olejowy|Olejowy]] ([[User talk:Olejowy|talk]]) 12:35, 11 October 2024 (UTC)

===Voting report===

On October 13, 2024, at 8:00 PM, on the Opengeofication Discord server, among the Polish-speaking users, we began a discussion about changing the name of the country. Ultimately, each participant submitted five top names, which corresponded to points from 5 to 1. A total of 5 people voted. The final results are as follows:

#'''Wełtycja''' - 19
#Kołeńska - 13
#Lemiłgawa - 8
#Lemigalia - 8
#Ignarchia - 6
#Zasokocja - 6
#Zetrwalia - 5
#Zawikłynia - 4
#Wietacja - 3
#Wełtacja - 2
#Zachocja - 1

The voting deadline passed on October 14, 2024, at 8:00 PM. No veto was submitted. The significant lead of the winning name gives us grounds to believe in the general acceptance of the chosen name.

[[User:Olejowy|Olejowy]] ([[User talk:Olejowy|talk]]) 18:25, 14 October 2024 (UTC)

::This is a good selection, in my opinion, and I'm glad the users in the project have had a good discussion about it. Let's move to the community part of this and see if we can make this official soon. There will be a one-week community vote to accept or deny this proposal, as chosen by the users in that project. Olejowvy, I'll let you start it when you feel ready to do it. (For clarification, the users that participated in the voting can and are encouraged to vote as part of the community-wide effort also.) &mdash; [[User:Alessa|Alessa]] <sub>([[User talk:Alessa|talk]])</sub> 12:39, 15 October 2024 (UTC)

=== Głosowanie publiczne / Public Vote ===

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| <center>Pięciu użytkowników - Mie, Olejowy, Rustem Paşa, Lankusiek oraz Exe19 - w głosowaniu przeprowadzonym na Discordzie ustalili, że najlepszą nazwą dla państwa znanego dotychczas jako "Lechia" będzie "Wełtycja" zaproponowana przez użytkownika Lankusiek.</center>
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<center>'''Czy popierasz propozycję wprowadzenia nazwy Wełtycja?'''</center><br>
<center>'''Tak''' / '''Nie'''</center><br>
<center>Głosowanie jest aktywne do 22 października 2024 roku, do godziny 20:00. Aby oddać głos, należy dodać swoją nazwę użytkownika za pomocą hasztagu i czterech tyld (<code><nowiki>#~~~~</nowiki></code>) w punkcie "Tak" albo "Nie".</center>
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| <center>Five users - Mie, Olejowy, Rustem Paşa, Lankusiek, and Exe19 - decided in a vote held on Discord that the best name for the state previously known as "Lechia" would be "Wełtycja," as proposed by Lankusiek.</center>
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<center>'''Do you support the proposal to adopt the name Wełtycja?'''<center><br>
<center>'''Yes / No'''</center><br>
<center>The vote is active until October 22, 2024, at 8:00 PM. To cast your vote, please add your username using a hashtag and four tildes (<code><nowiki>#~~~~</nowiki></code>) under either "Yes" or "No."<center>
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==== Tak / Yes ====
#⸺ [[User:Bixelkoven|Bixelkoven]] ([[User talk:Bixelkoven|talk]]) (West Uletha Admin) 16:19, 15 October 2024 (UTC)
#[[User:Olejowy|Olejowy]] ([[User talk:Olejowy|talk]]) 16:57, 15 October 2024 (UTC)
#[[User:Mie|Mie]] ([[User talk:Mie|talk]]) 16:58, 15 October 2024 (UTC)
#[[User:Lankusiek|Lankusiek]] ([[User talk:Lankusiek|talk]]) 17:15, 15 October 2024 (UTC)
#[[User:Rustem Pasha|Rustem Pasha]] ([[User talk:Rustem Pasha|talk]]) 17:54, 15 October 2024 (UTC)
#--[[User:TheMayor|TheMayor]] ([[User talk:TheMayor|talk]]) 17:55, 15 October 2024 (UTC)
#[[User:Imperator|Imperator]] ([[User talk:Imperator|talk]]) 18:08, 15 October 2024 (UTC)
#[[User:BMSOUZA|BMSOUZA]] ([[User talk:BMSOUZA|talk]]) 19:51, 15 October 2024 (UTC)
#--[[User:IiEarth|IiEarth]] ([[User talk:IiEarth|talk]]) 20:01, 15 October 2024 (UTC)
#[[User:Lithium-Ion]] | [https://opengeofiction.net/user/Lithium-Ion|OGF] ([[User talk:Lithium|talk]]) 20:07, 15 October 2024 (UTC)
#[[User:Liadrien|Liadrien]] ([[User talk:Liadrien|talk]]) 11:32, 18 October 2024 (UTC)
#[[User:Sergjack|Sergjack]] ([[User talk:Sergjack|talk]]) 14:56, 19 October 2024 (UTC)
#[[User:Martinawa|Martinawa]] ([[User talk:Martinawa|talk]]) 18:02, 19 October 2024 (UTC)

==== Nie / No ====
#[[User:SleepyAks|SleepyAks]] 16:06, 15 October 2024 (UTC)

=== Raport z głosowania publicznego / Report from the public vote ===

22 października o godzinie 20:00 głosowanie zakończyło się. W głosowaniu udział wzięło 14 osób

13 osób zagłosowało za propozycją wprowadzenia nazwy "Wełtycja". Jedna osoba zagłosowała przeciw propozycji.



On October 22 at 8:00 PM, the voting has ended. 14 people participated in the voting.

13 people voted in favor of the proposal to introduce the name 'Wełtycja'. One person voted against the proposal.

[[User:Olejowy|Olejowy]] ([[User talk:Olejowy|talk]]) 22:53, 22 October 2024 (UTC)