Forum:Ingerland/The flag of Ingerland

The question of replacing the Ingerland flag has been raised because at least some people are not impressed with the current one. so this page is to discuss whether to replace it and, if so, with what.

The Flag

I have two issues with the current flag:

• What does it represent? In the European tradition, flags with crosses normally represent patron saints. The British Union Flag (aka Union Jack - UJ) contains three crosses for the patron saints of the three constituent countries of England, Scotland and Ireland, but Ingerland is supposed to be analogous to England only so it might make more sense to have a single cross. And what is the white lozenge (diamond) for? We could invent meanings for the flag's make-up, but ...

• Much more of an issue is the appearance. The blue cross has arms which are of different widths and their relative widths and angles vary depending on the flag's proportions. The red saltire merges directly on the blue near the centre, which doesn't work well, and the white lozenge is ... odd. The overall effect of the crosses' rays is to draw the eye to an overly busy intersection of colours around the white nothingness of the lozenge at the centre. It is disconcerting, jarring (in my humble opinion).

Do others feel the same? Do they want, or would they be happy with, a change?

Other countries which use the flag

The Ingerland flag is not used only by Ingerland but also by a number of ex-colonies, so if we want to remain historically consistent they would have to agree to a change too and should be included in any vote on a new flag.

The alternative is that the present flag is kept as a historical flag which ex-colonies retain while Ingerland decides on a change. This might simplify the process of change but, on the negative side, it keeps the unsatisfactory old flag in use. And why would Ingerland decide to change a long-established flag? It is unusual for an old established country to radically change its flag except through territorial union/split or some major ideological upheaval (e.g. revolution).

As far as I can see the other Ingerland flag users are: Bromley (and Ingerish Bromlavian Colonies), Deodeca (Ateria, Agawaskway, Kastichetshan, Ingerish Asperia, Nawagan, Peralia, and some national organizations), New Ingerland, and Toussaint in Arecales, FSA. Are there any others?

Design

One feature of the current flag is that is reminiscent of the Union Jack because of its colours and cross-and-saltire combination. If there is to be a change, should the new flag continue to evoke a British or English feel? Ingerland is internally analogous to England only, but its historic international, imperial, role is more evocative of Great Britain / UK.

Pawl (talk) 08:44, 26 October 2023 (UTC)

Discussion

What are your thoughts? Should we start a process of changing the flag?