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==Archive of previous discussions==
===Clean-up===
'''WARNING''': Currently, mass deletions of 10.000 entities or more will mess with the renderer. If you plan on participating on the cleanup of Castellán, please have this into account, and NEVER delete more than 10000 entities at once.

'''If you have any questions about the cleanup or would want to help on it, please write it here below.'''

====Galecia====
I would like to volunteer in cleaning-up all of Galecia. –[[User:The Cute Chick|The Cute Chick]] ([[User talk:The Cute Chick|talk]]) 20:55, 25 November 2021 (UTC)
: They're yours to edit. Remember to not delete the admin boundaries (level 6 or higher). Also try not to mess with the multipolygons on the boundaries and keep the cleanup strictly within the borders. I will post some guidelines soon --[[User:Martinawa|Martinawa]] ([[User talk:Martinawa|talk]]) 20:58, 25 November 2021 (UTC)

==== Lion ====
I would like to clean up Lion (and maybe more but it depends on how much time that one will take). [[User:Rustem Pasha|Rustem Pasha]] ([[User talk:Rustem Pasha|talk]]) 21:15, 25 November 2021 (UTC)
: It's yours to edit. Keep in mind you're bordering a reserved province in the northwest, Carbeyón. That apparently is a bit of genuine mapping, and as such is worth keeping as is. You can read the guidelines here [[https://wiki.opengeofiction.net/index.php/Collab:Castellán#Guidelines_on_cleaning_up|here]]. --[[User:Martinawa|Martinawa]] ([[User talk:Martinawa|talk]]) 22:43, 25 November 2021 (UTC)
:P.S.: I assume you mean Lión *The province*, not the entire region, as that one might be a little too big to start with. If you want a couple more provinces, just tell me. --[[User:Martinawa|Martinawa]] ([[User talk:Martinawa|talk]]) 22:44, 25 November 2021 (UTC)
::I meant big Lion as the entire region is almost empty. I cleaned Lion *The province* in 10 minutes, inc. downloading. It was 6.6k objects only. It will be the pleasure to wipe out the rest [[User:Rustem Pasha|Rustem Pasha]] ([[User talk:Rustem Pasha|talk]]) 13:13, 26 November 2021 (UTC)

====Astura and Maguériz====
With Galecia wiped, I would like to also volunteer doing the the single-province regions of Astura and Maguériz. –[[User:The Cute Chick|The Cute Chick]] ([[User talk:The Cute Chick|talk]]) 07:48, 26 November 2021 (UTC)
:You can start editing there now --[[User:Martinawa|Martinawa]] ([[User talk:Martinawa|talk]]) 18:59, 26 November 2021 (UTC)

====Remaining region available for clean-up====
I would like to do the rest of the regions available for clean-up, (if @Rustem Pasha is not already assigned them). 👍 –[[User:The Cute Chick|The Cute Chick]] ([[User talk:The Cute Chick|talk]]) 22:04, 26 November 2021 (UTC)

===Coastline suggestions===

The eastern coastline of Castellán previous to the collab stage resembles too much the real Spanish east coastline shape. For this reason, that section of the coastline will be reworked. If you have any ideas on how to do it, please post them here below.


My proposal: 
[[File:Lithium-Castellan-Coast-Plan.png|thumb|center|Lithium-Ion's Plan.]]
The changes could be more drastic than this - perhaps turning the entire southern peninsula into islands, among other things. --[[User:Lithium|Lithium-Ion]] ([[User talk:Lithium|talk]]) 02:40, 9 November 2021 (UTC)

I had some ideas for the coastline of Eastern Castellán. All of them involve both a new strait to close the "Mediterranean" sea, and new, bigger islands to form an archipelago.

* Proposal one - Northern strait:
- Keep and expand the Mariola Islands from its current position

- Make a strait into the "Mediterranean" in the position of current Escuderos, Takora.

- Keep the Murica peninsula, making it narrower and more prominent (or maybe open it up into an island?)

[[File:Castellan coast north strait.png|thumb|center|Northern strait plan]]

* Proposal two - Southern strait:
**Cede the Mariola Islands off the territory, creating instead a new, bigger archipelago where Catania used to be.
**Reposition the Murica peninsula further north, making a strait into the Mediterranan next to the Franquese exclave near Vaucargue, Lustria

[[File:Castellan coast south strait.png|thumb|center|Southern strait plan]]

* Proposal three - Double straits:
**Make the two straits proposed above, although less narrow
**Cede the Mariola Islands, make a new archipelago in the new sea/gulf between the straits
**Keep the Murica cape vestigially

[[File:Castellan coast two straits.png|thumb|center|Double straits plan]]

These are rough sketches proposed as concepts and can be discussed further. Personally I like the incorporation of the Mariola Islands on the northern strait alternative. What I definitely have in mind is that Castellán should have bigger islands than it has now, and this is the ideal area for them to be placed.--[[User:Martinawa|Martinawa]] ([[User talk:Martinawa|talk]]) 18:01, 9 November 2021 (UTC)
:I like all of the proposals but if I remember well the whole point behind Mediterranean Sea was to justify colonisation of other continents by important world powers, namely Franqueterre and Plevia. Marmara or Gibraltar solutions effectively break that plan in pieces. making the Mediterranean functionally similar to the Black Sea. [[User:Rustem Pasha|Rustem Pasha]] ([[User talk:Rustem Pasha|talk]]) 18:44, 9 November 2021 (UTC)
::I agree with Rustem, the idea was to not have straits between ocean and sea. I wouldnt change the eastern coast too much (I mostly like the shape the country has) just enough to make it not link to the rw Spanish reference. I like Lithiums proposal most, but I wouldnt overdo it with the islands. The thing about Coastellans coastline that bothers me the most is the area around Malgazan (which I would do somewhat like [[:File: Malgazan coast proposal.jpeg|this]], the way it initially was before it got changed a few years back to what it is now.) —[[User:Stjur|Stjur]] ([[User talk:Stjur|talk]]) 23:06, 9 November 2021 (UTC)
::: I agree that there might be a few too many islands in my plan  - I think that those that should be 100% kept if a version of it ends up being accepted would be the southernmost and northernmost groups. The southernmost to continue the island chain in the area - perhaps Martinawa's first idea could be used for those? The northernmost because the Mediterranean is rather lacking in islands that aren't very close to the coast right now,  so there's plenty of room to add some interest to the sea. Perhaps the two northernmost islands could be reminiscent and close in size to Menorca and Ibiza.   --[[User:Lithium|Lithium-Ion]] ([[User talk:Lithium|talk]]) 01:45, 10 November 2021 (UTC)
:::: I guess if the idea was to not have straits at all the best course of action from the options I have proposed would be the first one, without the strait, placing the coastline roughly where the current one currently is (maybe even keeping it, that part of the coastline is relatively original as is). --[[User:Martinawa|Martinawa]] ([[User talk:Martinawa|talk]]) 16:57, 10 November 2021 (UTC)
::::: Maybe a good course of action would be a merger of your first plan and my plan? Keeping the southern part of yours and the northern part of mine, probably. --[[User:Lithium|Lithium-Ion]] ([[User talk:Lithium|talk]]) 20:44, 11 November 2021 (UTC)

===Coastline plan===
After watching the different suggestions and the discussions we had about them, This is my final plan for the eastern coastline of Castellán. It is mainly the plan from Lithium-Ion, with the southern coastline and islands taken from my Northern Strait plan. I will start implementing immediately it if there isn't a very big red flag about it.
[[File:Castellan coastline schematic.png|thumb|center|Eastern coastline]]

===Orography suggestions===

As we will be working with pretty much a blank canvas, we accept suggestions on how the orography (mountains, rivers, plains, basins, plateaus, etc...) of Castellán should look like. They should have a signifficant degree of independence with whatever the coastline ends up being, and should be rather schematic, as they will be the basis for later development. Like before, please post any suggestions below.

My proposal:
[[File:Lithium-Castellan-Orography-Plan.png|thumb|center|Lithium-Ion's Plan]]
Rivers are just to give an idea of basins and how much there might be in any area. It's pretty rough, so a lot of changes could be made. --[[User:Lithium|Lithium-Ion]] ([[User talk:Lithium|talk]]) 02:40, 9 November 2021 (UTC)

Huachachi ideas:
Have tall mountain range between Castellán and Mperiye/Sathriada. This two countries are very different and we should have a border difficult to cross in ancient times. That way we could explain why the countries have so much differences and no influence in each other.

I am going to send here my ideas for Castellán. They are pretty diverse and could work in some sense, and I want to see what the ideas from other people align in this proposals.

First, these are the mountain ranges that I would keep regardless of the plan:

[[File:Castellan orography base.png|thumb|center|Base Orography proposal]]

The mountain ranges on the borders both with Mazan and Sathria would be kept (No idea on how the border works on Mazan, if it's in the top of the range or somewhere else, but still a good idea to keep some mountains there). The border with Sathria would host the highest mountains (In the place where the Egyt mountains used to be, should we reuse that name?). The area where those mountain ranges meet would be a kind of hilly plateau. It could be interesting to play with some unique geological features in that area (lakes, volcanos, large waterfalls, ice-shaped landforms in the highest areas...) It also makes sense to me for the southeastern tip to have a mountain range, as the coastline arrangement, not only in Castellán, but in the lands around it, suggests a big geological fold in the area.

* Idea 1: Parallel arrangement.

All rivers and mountain ranges would generally follow the general direction of the peninsula, that is, east to west, probably deriving from a large, old fold (think the Appalachians in the US, maybe larger in both size and height). In-between the folds would sit the river basins, that would generally flow west-to-east.

[[File:Castellan orography parallel.png|thumb|center|Parallel arrangement]]

* Idea 2: Radial arrangement.

This would feature a large, tall mountain chain or massif in the center of the country, from which all major basins would radiate from. Some minor ranges around some trams of the coast would have secondary ranges along them to more carefully justify their shapes. Geologically, the easiest justification for such a configuration would be volcanism, which would make Castellán a country prominent for its volcanoes. My idea would be similar (but again, bigger) to the Central Massif in France.

[[File:Castellan orography radial.png|thumb|center|Radial arrangement]]

* Idea 3: Perpendicular arrangement.

This one would rely on a large mountain chain north of the country, running along the coast, with a gentle southwards slope, creating small mountain ranges between the river basins. That would create a rather rugged terrain in general, as geologically it should be explained by a large sedimentary plateau that's been carved out over time by the rivers flowing down on it. Lots of terraced terrain, and a relatively low average height outside the main mountain ranges. The soil should be very soft to allow for this kind of orography, so have in mind this when considering it (unless there is a better solution for such a terrain geologically)

[[File:Castellan orography perpendicular.png|thumb|center|Perpendicular arrangement]]

--[[User:Martinawa|Martinawa]] ([[User talk:Martinawa|talk]]) 20:02, 10 November 2021 (UTC)

:I would personally leave the mountain ranges where they are, after all I've created them that way. They play a role in the shape of the country and the Mediterranean Sea (all the coastlines north of Catania are drawn by me) and are continuations of bigger mountain ranges coming from Alora and Gobrassanya --[[User:Stjur|Stjur]] ([[User talk:Stjur|talk]]) 17:24, 12 November 2021 (UTC)
::Do you have any schematics of them? Despite being the current arrangement, the forest covers will have to be basically remade, so it would be a good idea to know what was the general structure of it. Or if it matches one of my suggestions, you can point it out. --[[User:Martinawa|Martinawa]] ([[User talk:Martinawa|talk]]) 23:34, 13 November 2021 (UTC)
:::They can be seen here: https://old.opengeofiction.wiki/index.php/OGF:Map_of_known_mountains - something along these lines: https://i.imgur.com/9IDHU2w.png --[[User:Stjur|Stjur]] ([[User talk:Stjur|talk]]) 07:46, 14 November 2021 (UTC)

== Regional mapping and votes (September 2022) ==

''This is part of the project for the Collab of the Month, September 2022''

After a signifficant amount (actually 50%!) of the natural mapping of Castellán has progressed, we can start launching a pilot project on regional mapping (roads, settlements, agriculture, etc.) for man made features [https://opengeofiction.net/relation/292063 This is the province] I've decided we can start our efforts in. You can send your proposals for how roads and settlements can be placed. The provincial capital needs to be marked, as it will be the first city in Collab Castellán that will be mapped --[[User:Martinawa|Martinawa]] ([[User talk:Martinawa|talk]]) 11:36, 1 September 2022 (UTC)

=== '''Proposal voting''' ===
After one week and four proposals, I declare the proposal phase of the regional mapping close. After this, I will open a public voting for the proposals that have been drafted, starting from now until the end of Sunday, September 11 2022 (UTC). In order to vote, you just sign below the proposal you think is the best fit. I will also open a discussion section where people can point some aspects of the proposals that could be changed, and these will be taken into consideration for the final draft of the regional mapping of the area. 

Once the voting is finished, planning on the capital city of the province will begin. --[[User:Martinawa|Martinawa]] ([[User talk:Martinawa|talk]]) 19:16, 9 September 2022 (UTC)

'''Proposal 1 (Izaland Terramorphing Commitee)'''

*[[User:Bixelkoven|Bixelkoven]] ([[User talk:Bixelkoven|talk]]) 09:58, 10 September 2022 (UTC)

'''Proposal 2 (Kalh79)'''


'''Proposal 3 (Bixelkoven)'''
* [[User:Rustem Pasha|Rustem Pasha]] ([[User talk:Rustem Pasha|talk]]) 10:57, 10 September 2022 (UTC)
* [[User:Lithium|Lithium-Ion]] ([[User talk:Lithium|talk]]) 12:02, 10 September 2022 (UTC)
* [[User:Kalh79|Kalh79]] ([[User talk:Kalh79|talk]]) 09:25, 11 September 2022 (UTC)

'''Proposal 4 (Martinawa)'''

=== Discuss about the proposals (and the eventual final draft) here ===
----Hello! ITC from Izaland and the neighboring Plevia here. 
I’d like to give some of my contributes to Castellan for the Collab of the Month project.

I can mostly help with railway infrastructure. It depends on where cities are going to be places, but I envision/propose something like this
https://i.ibb.co/LN9kJdW/castellan-idea.png

Probably also a high speed railway will have to be built in the area. Since this region protrudes into the Mediterranean Sea, it is likely to have been controlling the sea access for centuries, so I think there would be largely developed cities as well.
But I don't know where the capital will be located.
--[[User:Izaland Terramorphing Committee|Izaland Terramorphing Committee]] ([[User talk:Izaland Terramorphing Committee|talk]]) 03:03, 2 September 2022 (UTC)
[[File:Pilot province Izaland.png|center|thumb|496x496px|Izaland's Proposal]]
----Hi, I also want to contribute with some idea in this project. Based on the map proposed by '''ITC''', I propose a possible main road network for the Province chosen for the project, also the possible province capital: https://ibb.co/RBQYK44
What do you think?? Cheers
--[[User:Kalh79|Kalh79]] ([[User talk:Kalh79|talk]]) 16:56, 3 September 2022 (UTC)
[[File:Pilot province kalh.png|center|thumb|548x548px|Kahl's Proposal]]
----I was inspired to contribute to the planning of this province as well, henceforth I present you my plan from the province. It's worth noting that I had some inspiration from the ideas of Kahl and Izaland Terramorphing Committee as well.

My general idea is that the province would include one major and dominant city, a few medium-sized towns and scattered smaller towns. Most of the population would reside in the northeast of the province, gathered around the capital, ultimately forming a larger metropolitan area home to just about half of the province's population. The capital would be a historic shipping and trade center in the region, in the newer eras perhaps even a shipbuilding one. The town just north of it would act as a modern ferry connection to the other side of the Mediterranean sea (Coast of Shelakhs, Mardoumakhstan UL07d and Alora) as it is the closest point in Castellan to the mentioned territories.

Almost all of the infrastructure connections would be from and to the provincial capital and the port in the area, towards the national capital (which was assumed to be in the central part of the country), the potential major cities on the north coast and the future potential major cities in the south and southeast, with the highways and major railways following the coastline towards those areas. The railway connection from the inland areas would vital for the shipment of goods across the Mediterranean, making the capital one of the most important cities in the entirety of Castellán.

The inspiration primarily was the province of Asturias, given that it has a similar size to Cerro.
[[User:Bixelkoven|Bixelkoven]] ([[User talk:Bixelkoven|talk]]) 21:41, 4 September 2022 (UTC)
[[File:CerroBixelkoven.png|center|450px|thumb|[[User:Bixelkoven|Bixelkoven]]'s proposal]]
----My proposal for the province is to build the capital along the river mouth (Spanish: Ría), on the north of the province. Most of the secondary cities on the province would lie on the coast, with a few minor towns or a couple of cities on the valleys of the interior. Despite not being drawn, railways would mainly run parallel to the main roads drawn.

The capital on the ría would be around 300k proper, with a metro area that would be upwards of 500-600k, containing most of the industrial activity. Many towns of the coast would be prior fishing towns turned turistic, either from beaches or from their ports. Interior cities could be a mix of rural and industrial, holding a mix of mining/manufacturing plants and meat processing facilities. --[[User:Martinawa|Martinawa]] ([[User talk:Martinawa|talk]]) 00:01, 7 September 2022 (UTC)
[[File:Provincia piloto martinawa.png|center|thumb|448x448px|Martinawa's Proposal]]