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This page is a guide for the collaborative creation of the country of Alvorán. Alvorán is a country on the island of Liberan in the continental sphere of Uletha. It represent what on earth would be considered a nation in the Hispanoamerican domain, and is therefore fully mapped in Spanish. The mapping style is similar to what one may expect in hispanoamerican countries, with a focus on late development and gridded cities.


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Any mappers interested in mapping in Spanish, natives or not, are encouraged to take part in this collaborative project. If you want to join, just message the coordinator of the territory [[User:Georgecg|Georgecg]]. Coordination occurs via whatsapp and this is essential to be able to partake in the project. Once you're allowed to map in Alvorán, you will have quite a bit of freedom to detail and create cities, natural features, etc., as long as it is in line with the general guidelines detailed further down this page.
[[Category:Territory application posts]]
=Some collaboration rules=
*Only map in Alvorán after you contacted the coordinator of the territory [[User:Squizie3|Georgecg]] to gain permission.
*Mapping style is Hispanoamerican. Look at [https://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=7/51.539/5.185 OpenStreetMap] for inspiration.
*Tags are in Spanish for the whole territory, exceptions obviously exist for international brands etc., just like in the real world.
*Creating new large scale features such as mountain ranges, larger islands, large cities, completely new long distance highways or railways. that do not appear on the draft map are not allowed unless discussed with other mappers first. Short extensions of trunks, ring roads, railway branches, expansions of cities, etc. are no problem however.
*Detailing or adding to the work of others is allowed, as this further improves the quality of the map. Removing work of others to replace it with less detail is discouraged and should generally be avoided, or should be discussed with other mappers first.
*No copying from real world maps such as OpenStreetMap. This would classify as plagiarism and is not tolerated on OGF.
*It is encouraged to participate in discussions with others about the country, proposals for larger changes, details you like to change of others' work, etc. either on this page's [[Collab talk:Lentia|talk page]] or on our whatsapp chat group.
*Everyone editing the territory is highly encouraged to let others know they are currently editing an area to prevent upload conflicts.
*Have fun mapping!
=Contributors=
Please add your name to this table when you contribute to the project.
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=Mapping guidelines=
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==Road infrastructure==
Concerning road principles, the table below gives some guidelines:
{| class="wikitable"
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|Motorways link long distance relations of national importance with high volumes, fully grade separated and always containing 2x2 lanes minimum. No pedestrians/cyclists/tractors etc. allowed, and no roadside development possible, this can occur on lateral roads.
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|Highways of national or regional importance, generally connecting to either expressways or motorways, managed by the states and generally having 1x1 or 2x2 lanes (often in cities). Inside city centres some important access roads, avenues and boulevards managed by the municipality can also be classified as primary.
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|Carretera de segundo nivel
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|Normal roads of regional importance, generally connecting to primary roads managed by the states or provinces.
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:''Please fill in the information below to make a territory request.''
1) Motorway, trunk and primary are numbered from North to South even using even numbers and from East to West using uneven numbers.  


{{Territory application id and name}}
2) Road number digits are unique for one contiguous roadway, independently of their prefix, which only indicate the road category. So e.g. if the N54 primary road turns into a trunk, the ref changes into E54, and if it turns into a motorway the ref turns into A54. This also means it is not allowed to have e.g. both a secondary road N2 and a motorway A2 running roughly parallel, because they are different roads so should use different digits.


{{relation|267001|AR060-11}} - '''East Deodeca''' (Inspired by ''South Australia'' in the greater country of ''Australia''.)
3) Short motorways, trunks and primary roads are numbered in concordance with a nearby long distance road nummber, example A901 might be a motorway connected to the A9 or A90.


I understand there may be some concerns with this naming, so how about '''Ferland,''' named after the settlers for how fertile the land is.
4) Street numbers are numbers from North to South and East to West, a letter can be used as a suffix for shorter streets (for example: calle 5a).


{{territory application physical geography}}
=Lists=
==Businesses==
List of frequently mapped business chains in Alvorán. Please add chains that will have locations in more than one city in Alvorán, so others can consult this list to further spread the chains throughout the country. Add them alphabetically based on type.
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==Names==
List of names to be used for streetnames of other purpose


The latitude is similar to [[wikipedia:Mount_Gambier|Mount Gambier, South Australia]]. Therefore, the climate will be lush mediterranean with mild winters with a high temp of 10-14°c and a low temp ranging from 4-6°c overnight. During summer, days frequently are over 30°c in the area. The trees will be eucalyptus trees and [[wikipedia:Mallee_(habit)|mallee terrain]]. The largest city will be similar to Adelaide. There will be no outback mapping unlike the real South Australia, given the fact that it isn't high enough latitude to be in the outback. In this way, most of the terrain will resemble agriculture south of the Goyder's Line, a line meant to demarcate where agriculture is no longer viable that was created in real South Australia.
=== Types of roads: ===
Callejón


The largest city is surrounded by small hills, the tallest being 692m above sea level.
Pasaje


{{territory application human geography}}
Calle


It's centric on one city with most of the population living there. 75% of the 1,200,000 people in this state will live in the biggest city, with other smaller towns serving as agriculture centers, as that is the main industry with a few mines and industrial parks scattered around rural areas. These will be linked by road to the biggest city, or state capital. In the state, there will only be one rail line which will come from interstate, keeping it realistic to railway infrastructure in Australia, with a few disused old lines that were replaced by road transport mapped out, some of them turning into cycling rail trails and some only being notable by the dirt track aligned with the old train line.
Avenida


{{territory application history and culture}}
Paseo


'''60,000 years ago:''' Ngaringa people arrive
Boulevard


'''1803:''' Land surveyed by Ingerish settlers
Calzada


'''1806:''' Largest city founded
Carretera


'''1810:''' Colony declared, it's for free settlers
Autopista


'''1830:''' Copper mining boom about 115km east of the largest city, which forms a town that exists today
Libramiento


'''1850:''' Gold discovered in other state (TBD) of Deodeca, mass migration occurs and state tries to keep economy stable as people leave to strike it big.
Periférico


'''1901:''' Largest city hits 100,000 population
Vía


'''1972:''' Population expected to boom, state government acquires land in order to build a planned city
===Government:===
===People:===
====Saints====
Cosme


'''1983:''' Projections not as expected, land is sold back with most of it becoming industrial park and the rest becomes (possibly an outdoor mental health retreat, prison or military base).
Elena


'''2010:''' Population ''does'' finally boom, and housing developments occur in a hills town
Eulalia


'''Today:''' town bottlenecked by an insufficient freeway, talks of a metro line extension, but overall a bustling (mostly) rural state with a stable economy.
Javier


Language is Ingerish (obviously to align with the rest of Deodeca). Our culture is similar to the rest of Deodeca, we do love drinking Harvey's Iced Coffee which is a local brand though and that is our state's patriotism. The state government has a tourism-oriented department as well which encourages people to go on camping trips and enjoy wineries.
Leocadio


{{territory application past mapping}}
=====Kings=====
=====Queens=====
=====Other nobility=====


Well, I did participate in bad faith and create an Australia style country in the past, though this was poor on my part as I didn't own the territory I developed. I would like to apologise for this and take a more patient and respectful route to obtain a territory.


Whyalla type town: https://opengeofiction.net/#map=13/13.6738/-107.6820&layers=5
====Army Leaders====
 
====Politicians====
Canberra prototype: https://opengeofiction.net/#map=14/13.4136/-107.5828&layers=5
====Painters====
 
====Writers====
A bit of highway example: https://opengeofiction.net/#map=15/13.4561/-107.4289&layers=5
===Geographical names ===
 
====Rivers====
'''NOTE: This map has since been removed so to view it you need to use the 'OSM Carto (05 Testing)' mirror.'''{{territory application username and date}}
====Bodies of water====
 
====Nature Reserves====
[[User:AustinBoath|AustinBoath]] ([[User talk:AustinBoath|talk]]) 10:46, 18 September 2023 (UTC)
====Islands====
 
===Highest Mountains===
== Discussion ==
{{territory application discussion}}
 
Hi there Austin,
 
I’m Arlo on behalf of the wider Deodeca community. We just had some points we’d like to make about your application:
 
* They are called provinces and not states in Deodeca
* We would love if you could make even a rudimentary map just to show the outline of what you’re planning
* We have developed our own local history that you can coordinate with to help align -11 to neighbouring provinces histories
* We’d like to coordinate with you on the geography of the area so you know what is already there and what you can add. We also don’t think that mallee” scrubs are appropriate for the area. Deodeca is very temperate and receives high rainfall 
 
Thanks, [[User:Arlo|Arlo]] ([[User talk:Arlo|talk]]) 00:30, 19 September 2023 (UTC)Arlo
 
::Hey Arlo,
 
::A bit of background, I am a mapper originally from Adelaide, though now I live rurally in Tailem Bend which has given me an insight into rural mapping. So I was thinking, if not mallee scrub, at least farm plains similar to the area of tailem bend, minus the scrub. I've mapped out towns such as Coonalpyn & Callington on main OSM. Would gum trees be realistic for the region or would it be the taller pines of the borderlands in SA/VIC, let me know and I can map those.
 
::I'd love to coordinate geography and have most natural features planned out as that is usually the biggest headache for me at the start of any project. The local history will also be interesting to integrate and I'm willing to work around that.
 
::Here's what the territory terrain looks like in my vision, but you can advise me on any changes to the fauna and main land use:
 
::[https://www.realestate.com.au/news-image/w_1280,h_720/v1692240964/news-lifestyle-content-assets/wp-content/production/capi_954bd8b61a2f00259450545500535f40_df33d240b17f06a9066362c05fe4a59f.jpeg?_i=AA https://www.realestate.com.au/news-image/w_1280,h_720/v1692240964/news-lifestyle-content-assets/wp-content/production/capi_954bd8b61a2f00259450545500535f40_df33d240b17f06a9066362c05fe4a59f.jpeg]
 
::I also understand what you mean about provinces, not states.
 
::'''Sketch''': https://ibb.co/j6rmcxk
 
::[[User:AustinBoath|AustinBoath]] ([[User talk:AustinBoath|talk]]) 04:26, 19 September 2023 (UTC)
 
:::Thanks for the reply Austin. A fertile Riverlands climate is a better fit for the province we think and thank you for the regional information (I live in Adelaide as well). I would also say a climate such as the Flerieu peninsula but less hilly would also be a good area to reference.
 
:::Some important notes for your sketch map, we have a national motorway network (TDH) with a map you can find attached [[File:TDHprop.svg|350px|thumb|left|Official layout of the Trans Deodecan Highway network. ]]. This works nicely with your road layout already. Another point is that there is also a High Speed Rail network as well and there is a route planned from Kingstown to Creswick, which would run through your province. As such, this should be considered for rail infrastructure along the main motorway.
 
:::If you'd like, you can join us on a Discord group where we can further discuss these points and also where you can chat with your neighbours to the north and east. Peralia's mapper has some riverland-esque plans for the south of his province, so you two would likely want to coordinate on that. Let me know
::: [[User:Arlo|Arlo]] ([[User talk:Arlo|talk]]) 07:30, 19 September 2023 (UTC)Arlo
 
::::Thanks! I am excited to map this part of Deodeca, and I will join the discord. Where can I find the link for that? Looking forward to making a province of my own! [[User:AustinBoath|AustinBoath]] ([[User talk:AustinBoath|talk]]) 07:48, 19 September 2023 (UTC)
 
::::: You're welcome. Just to clarify though, the application still needs to be approved by admins. You can add me on discord and I'll add you to the group (username: arlohhhh) [[User:Arlo|Arlo]] ([[User talk:Arlo|talk]]) 08:46, 19 September 2023 (UTC)Arlo
 
: Hi, for us to consider this we will require a more detailed sketch, making sure that natural features are included. This should also take into account community constraints, as mentioned by Arlo, and present in the mapping data (e.g. ridge lines). The current road-based sketch raises some concern that perhaps the size of the territory has been underestimated. It is ~270 km E-W, ~220 km N-S - that makes the identification of individual bakeries, pubs and industrial estates unexpected. Worth consulting the [https://wiki.opengeofiction.net/util/map_scale.html?map=C/8.11478746245857/-38.37568/137.35910&map2=OSM/x/-37.36694/143.15336&pxpt=0.2767&scale=1600000 scale helper].
: And yes, past behaviour will also inform a decision. /[[User:Wangi|wangi]] ([[User talk:Wangi|talk]]) 11:27, 19 September 2023 (UTC)
Hi Wangi, I totally understand about past behaviour informing a decision, as Luciano has described it, it is less than exemplary. I am hoping I can build a proper reputation, have patience and move on from the past while admitting that it was wrong to simply edit in a territory I did not own. It is not surprising to have concerns about my ownership of this Deodecan territory.
 
As for your comment on the scale, I understand that the territory was roughly 250-300km across similar to the corner of South Australia that I am very familiar with. When I was envisioning the towns, I pictured that I was a traveller, and thought of the country towns that I know of. When I did the sketch, I dotted it with familiar places I have been to when travelling on the highway. However, I think this sketch doesn't include a lot. I think to do a good sketch I'll need a physical pencil and paper, but yes I understand the full scale. I'll respond in some time with a sketch on paper of the territory. [[User:AustinBoath|AustinBoath]] ([[User talk:AustinBoath|talk]]) 14:32, 19 September 2023 (UTC)
 
New sketch complete! Check it out when you can: https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1153632576418873374/1153930346417627146/image.png?width=979&height=702 [[User:AustinBoath|AustinBoath]] ([[User talk:AustinBoath|talk]]) 05:59, 20 September 2023 (UTC)
 
: Please consider [[Help:Making realistic countries]] - this feels like you've worked the natural features in around the roads, rather than the other way around. And as I mentioned in the last reply - there are natural features, such as {{way|26468810|this ridge line}} which continues as the territory boundary, which need to be reflected too. Thanks/[[User:Wangi|wangi]] ([[User talk:Wangi|talk]]) 09:25, 20 September 2023 (UTC)
: Hi, I made the natural features with the help of some of the Deodeca team on discord, they can confirm this. The natural features are layed out so there is a mountain range around the basin of the Mullumbidgee. And yes, I’m more than happy to incorporate the ridge line into my mapping. Thank you for linking the ridge line in question. [[User:AustinBoath|AustinBoath]] ([[User talk:AustinBoath|talk]]) 14:11, 20 September 2023 (UTC)
 
::After looking at the map, I am perplexed on why the border crossing to Clamash has a to be required by Deodeca mappers. There are two reasons. One is Clamash was once part of Deodeca, so it would be highly unusual for no border crossing to exist. Secondly, I have already mapped that CL 88 goes to the Deodeca border as well as two railways. I am open to discussion to remove one of railways, but would request the CL 88 border crossing to remain. [[User:Glauber|Glauber]] ([[User talk:Glauber|talk]]) 14:30, 20 September 2023 (UTC)
:::No need to remove rail lines or anything from your side - I will incorporate Clamash’s roads to continue into Deodeca, there will be checkpoints but a lot of old gravel roads / hiking trails could also be added to the cross-border region. That cross the border. I would likely snip them in half with turning circles and make the hiking trails have special permits required to hike on, or have a self checkin or surveillance system setup - we can work lore out later. Thank you for your insight, only helps improve my ideas for this future Deodecan territory [[User:AustinBoath|AustinBoath]] ([[User talk:AustinBoath|talk]]) 14:46, 20 September 2023 (UTC)
::New Sketch that incorporates the ridge line: https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1153632576418873374/1154254631401181234/image.png [[User:AustinBoath|AustinBoath]] ([[User talk:AustinBoath|talk]]) 03:17, 21 September 2023 (UTC)
: Thanks for the updated sketch. Can you have another think about how the natural features impact the development of the territory please? Perhaps you need to fill in the nature blanks in the south of the territory first. What jumps out as incongruous are the four strong east-west highway corridors, seemingly paying little attention to the topology. Thanks/[[User:Wangi|wangi]] ([[User talk:Wangi|talk]]) 15:09, 22 September 2023 (UTC)
 
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Revision as of 00:09, 23 September 2023

This page is a guide for the collaborative creation of the country of Alvorán. Alvorán is a country on the island of Liberan in the continental sphere of Uletha. It represent what on earth would be considered a nation in the Hispanoamerican domain, and is therefore fully mapped in Spanish. The mapping style is similar to what one may expect in hispanoamerican countries, with a focus on late development and gridded cities.

Any mappers interested in mapping in Spanish, natives or not, are encouraged to take part in this collaborative project. If you want to join, just message the coordinator of the territory Georgecg. Coordination occurs via whatsapp and this is essential to be able to partake in the project. Once you're allowed to map in Alvorán, you will have quite a bit of freedom to detail and create cities, natural features, etc., as long as it is in line with the general guidelines detailed further down this page.

Some collaboration rules

  • Only map in Alvorán after you contacted the coordinator of the territory Georgecg to gain permission.
  • Mapping style is Hispanoamerican. Look at OpenStreetMap for inspiration.
  • Tags are in Spanish for the whole territory, exceptions obviously exist for international brands etc., just like in the real world.
  • Creating new large scale features such as mountain ranges, larger islands, large cities, completely new long distance highways or railways. that do not appear on the draft map are not allowed unless discussed with other mappers first. Short extensions of trunks, ring roads, railway branches, expansions of cities, etc. are no problem however.
  • Detailing or adding to the work of others is allowed, as this further improves the quality of the map. Removing work of others to replace it with less detail is discouraged and should generally be avoided, or should be discussed with other mappers first.
  • No copying from real world maps such as OpenStreetMap. This would classify as plagiarism and is not tolerated on OGF.
  • It is encouraged to participate in discussions with others about the country, proposals for larger changes, details you like to change of others' work, etc. either on this page's talk page or on our whatsapp chat group.
  • Everyone editing the territory is highly encouraged to let others know they are currently editing an area to prevent upload conflicts.
  • Have fun mapping!

Contributors

Please add your name to this table when you contribute to the project.

User Speaks Spanish Notes
Georgecg Coordinator and owner of the territory
Moskva

Mapping guidelines

Road infrastructure

Concerning road principles, the table below gives some guidelines:

Road category Tag Ref Speed limit (km/h) Usage
Outside built-up areas Built-up areas
Autopista motorway Motorways link long distance relations of national importance with high volumes, fully grade separated and always containing 2x2 lanes minimum. No pedestrians/cyclists/tractors etc. allowed, and no roadside development possible, this can occur on lateral roads.
Autopista de segundo nivel trunk Expressways link slightly less important relations on a regional or urban scale, fully grade separated. These generally contain 2x2 lanes. No pedestrians/cyclists/tractors etc. allowed, and no roadside development possible, this can occur on lateral roads.
Carretera primary Highways of national or regional importance, generally connecting to either expressways or motorways, managed by the states and generally having 1x1 or 2x2 lanes (often in cities). Inside city centres some important access roads, avenues and boulevards managed by the municipality can also be classified as primary.
Carretera de segundo nivel secondary Normal roads of regional importance, generally connecting to primary roads managed by the states or provinces.
Carretera de tercer nivel tertiary / Normal roads of municipal importance, also connect small villages together.
unclassified / Unclassified roads. Mostly for access to agriculture or industry.
living_street / Street where sidewalk and roadway are merged together so pedestrians may walk wherever they want.

The following principles apply to road numbering:

1) Motorway, trunk and primary are numbered from North to South even using even numbers and from East to West using uneven numbers.

2) Road number digits are unique for one contiguous roadway, independently of their prefix, which only indicate the road category. So e.g. if the N54 primary road turns into a trunk, the ref changes into E54, and if it turns into a motorway the ref turns into A54. This also means it is not allowed to have e.g. both a secondary road N2 and a motorway A2 running roughly parallel, because they are different roads so should use different digits.

3) Short motorways, trunks and primary roads are numbered in concordance with a nearby long distance road nummber, example A901 might be a motorway connected to the A9 or A90.

4) Street numbers are numbers from North to South and East to West, a letter can be used as a suffix for shorter streets (for example: calle 5a).

Lists

Businesses

List of frequently mapped business chains in Alvorán. Please add chains that will have locations in more than one city in Alvorán, so others can consult this list to further spread the chains throughout the country. Add them alphabetically based on type.

Type Tag Company name Brands / franchises Origin International Operating area in Alvorán Headquarters Special requirements Extra info

Names

List of names to be used for streetnames of other purpose

Types of roads:

Callejón

Pasaje

Calle

Avenida

Paseo

Boulevard

Calzada

Carretera

Autopista

Libramiento

Periférico

Vía

Government:

People:

Saints

Cosme

Elena

Eulalia

Javier

Leocadio

Kings
Queens
Other nobility

Army Leaders

Politicians

Painters

Writers

Geographical names

Rivers

Bodies of water

Nature Reserves

Islands

Highest Mountains