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AR909 will be a revival of the former Bai project, which was previously terminated due to a lack of interest. However, I decided to revive it and will be willing to swap AR903 (Kuehong) for AR909. However, I won't immediately revive the project, and would need some time to workshop a few things before reopening it for collaboration.

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https://postimg.cc/9w7zkb4Q

The physical geography will be largely unchanged from what already exists on the map, with a central range running through the territory and a large lake.

The climate of Peichew will be similar to southern China as it is located '''significantly south''', with the north coast of the Empire barely crossing the subtropical latitude ([https://wiki.opengeofiction.net/util/map_scale.html?map=C/5.372034240110154/20.44969/145.47018&map2=OSM/x/20.43793/-245.56060&pxpt=0.2767&scale=12800000 around Taiwan]). As such, Peichew generally experiences a humid subtropical climate (Köppen Cfa inland, Cwa along the coast) like Guangdong Province.

Although the central valley experiences relatively dry precipitation, it is traversed by several major rivers that flow into Dahu Lake, making it the country's agricultural heartland. The high-elevation region around the capital is Cwb subtropical highland climate. Present at high elevations and on plateaus.{{territory application human geography}}

https://pointochinikia.miraheze.org/wiki/File:Peichew_economic_development.png

Peichew boasts a rapidly growing economy, though significant economic disparities persist, particularly between urban and rural areas. The eastern coastal regions and the area surrounding Dahu, including the capital of Hionggian, experienced substantial growth during the country's industrialization and modernization in the 19th century. In contrast, the southwestern interior and western regions remain less developed, relying primarily on agriculture and heavy industry.

During its industrialization, Peichew adopted a protectionist approach with a focus on modernising its own industries. However, in the 1960s, under I Cek-ming's ''Juisin'' program, the Empire began reopening to international trade. Today, some of its key economic partners include: Izaland, Huaxia and Kanglapo.

It is likely, however, that as I declutter the territory, that the territory won't be that urbanised with too many towns and cities, and ensure a more realistic distribution.{{territory application history and culture}}

Unlike the previous iteration of the Bai Project, Peichew it does not speak Mandarin but the national language is Teochew (or Peigu in OGF). Also, the country is a semi-constitutional monarchy which has also seen Ulethan influences in its culture and society. Major place names, provinces etc would require the Peichew romanisation (for example: 雄京 Hionggian). 

The history framework is largely unchanged, though still undergoing restructuring and coordination with the Huaxia project.

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* Nandacheongfu, Kanglapo:
** [https://opengeofiction.net/#map=17/17.19857/149.87623&layers=B Muekittong]
** [https://opengeofiction.net/#map=15/17.2212/149.8641&layers=B Gaijim]
** [https://opengeofiction.net/#map=15/17.1606/149.9146&layers=B Jungkee International]
** [https://opengeofiction.net/#map=15/17.3949/149.8374&layers=B Filourak-Chimmongboa]
* [https://opengeofiction.net/#map=12/19.1448/149.4645&layers=B Kinglavia]
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[[User:Zhenkang|Zhenkang]] ([[User talk:Zhenkang|talk]]) 01:20, 19 November 2025 (UTC)

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Other notes: Much mapping in AR903 will be repurposed for mapping in Peichew and Kanglapo. For example, [https://opengeofiction.net/#map=11/30.1616/160.2904&layers=B Vang Ngat] will be moved to Kanglapo, and [https://opengeofiction.net/#map=11/28.9970/158.5835&layers=B Phong Thinh] would be repurposed for Riqing. I'm in discussions with Izaland on moving [https://opengeofiction.net/#map=11/28.3947/158.3693&layers=B Bakdep] to be Kyowa's administrative capital, though it's likely it will be "stored" in AR909 for the time being. --[[User:Zhenkang|Zhenkang]] ([[User talk:Zhenkang|talk]]) 01:20, 19 November 2025 (UTC)

: Every time you bring up this idea, I'm always completely confused by the desire to map in Teochew. I'm no expert, but based on reading [[wikipedia:Teochew Min#Writing system]] and other sources, I really struggle to see how it could work? All other things aside, wouldn't this be setting it up for failure? /[[User:Wangi|wangi]] ([[User talk:Wangi|talk]]) 14:00, 20 November 2025 (UTC)

::Hi, thanks for the reply.
::First, to address the issue of Teochew transcription, it's more likely that I will use the [[wikipedia:Peng'im|Peng'im]], which seems to be the more preferred Teochew romanisation among Teochew speakers I've talked with, compared to the older Pe̍h-ūe-jī system. Here's an example of how it would show on the map ({{node|232261072}}). Currently, I'm using the [https://www.mogher.com Mogher Teochew dictionary] which transcribes hanzi into this system (and [https://learnteochew.com/charpeng-js/ other resources exist]). That said, at least we aren't dealing with the debates of how Korean should be romanised.
::Also, [https://postimg.cc/0zPySc4S here's a more detailed map] of the main settlements and geography.
::Actually, and I'm unsure if you would be open to this, but I'm considering instead to claim AR909 (Peichew) as a personal territory than reopening it as a collab. I realised that trying to run a collab was very stressful, and when I had Bai, I felt the constant pressure of assert it as the "true Chinese homeland". And I admit this application is more out of a reaction to Huaxians discussing among themselves to expand further, and decided to revisit Peichew to reclaim what's left of Bai's legacy. 
::I'm still attached to Bai, and decided to go with a more original approach than trying to make it like Huaxia or insisting for it to be OGF's China. The other trivial thing to address is that there are still a couple of references in OGF to Bai lore, and others I spoke to do want it back too. Even Kanglapo's history have a couple of references to it. The main changes only are just converting the Mandarin names to Teochew, which isn't really a difficult endeavour since the characters are still the same, and much of the lore is still off-wiki.
::A Teochew-speaking country still appeals to me more greatly, and there are plenty of resources on the Teochew language. It's similar to Kuehong, when I did not even speak Vietnamese and more reliant on a dictionary and a Chu Nom dictionary. 
::Nevertheless, with all that said, I understand if you wish to close this application and ask me to retain AR903, assuming you have other plans for this territory. Kanglapo is still my main focus, where I can do whatever I want and make something interesting out of it.--[[User:Zhenkang|Zhenkang]] ([[User talk:Zhenkang|talk]]) 10:12, 22 November 2025 (UTC)

:::"''Huaxians discussing among themselves to expand further''"
:::'''Permanent Coordinator Declaration''': Huaxia doesn't has any plan to expand the territory at this stage, and would like to do more mapping before talking about this.
:::--[[User:NM$l|NM$l]] ([[User talk:NM$l|talk]]) 11:00, 22 November 2025 (UTC)
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