Forum:Global and regional issues/EUOIA: Difference between revisions

Revision as of 07:33, 16 February 2025

TL;DR

This page will be used to develop (hopefully) final iteration of the EUOIA, a proposed supranational union comprising of countries in the Eastern Ulethan Region. Some concepts have already been discussed outside of the wiki, but as this project grows it will be necessary to allow everyone in the region (and the world) to have a voice in this project.

A note to administrators: I do recognize that there is a predecessor to this forum located here, but we will require a clean slate as we will be rebuilding things from the bottom up. If there is a better solution, feel free to implement it!

Discord Server

As stated in the previous EUOIA page, there is a discord server in which a majority of future participants (and those residing on the Eastern Ulethan) region. This server will be exclusively for countries in the region, and is located here: https://discord.gg/j7UdFdaHvQ, but this page will be frequently updated in a way so that those who can't join can still participate <3. We held a couple of relevant votes so far on the discord server to determine EUOIA elements but will be searching for a way for everybody to participate in EUOIA.

Already Decided Votes:

For full transparency, here are all the votes taken on Discord with those who voted:

Motion to begin EUOIA project:

YES: 100% - Nuen, Saikyel, Urksivo, Ugawa, Izaland, Miuro, Filo Islands, Wendmark-Đenkuku, Ankwoen, Sapvuodma, Taira, Moyontawi, Sephyra
NO: 0%

Motion to Take Over EUOIA as MSTR is No Longer Regularly Active

YES: 87% - Nuen, Remsfalen, Tekurius, Urksivo, Ugawa, Izaland, Miuro, Ankwoen, Sapvuodma, Semanya, Taira, Moyontawi, Sephyra
NO: 0%
BEGIN A NEW, SIMILAR PROJECT: 13% - Filo Islands, Wendmark-Đenkuku

Roll Call on Those Who are Joining EUOIA (NOT PERMANENT):

PARTICIPATING: 93% - Nuen, Remsfalen, Kaarti, Ukrsivo, Ugawa, Izaland, Eshein, Miuro, Filo Islands, Wendmark-Đenkuku, Ankwoen, Sapvuodma, Semanya, Taira
NOT PARTICIPATING: 7% - Tekurius

Agrees that EUOIA Originates from an Economic Union:

YES: 93% - Nuen, Remsfalen, Lantia, Urksivo, Ugawa, IZaland, Eshein, Miuro, Wendmark-Đenkuku, Ankwoen, Sapvuodma, Taira, Selanxia, Sephyra
NO: 0%
REQUEST TO PAUSE VOTE AND DISCUSS FURTHER: 7% - Kara

Proposals for Communicating & Voting

As the EUOIA project progresses, it is important to determine a means of quick, efficient communication to share ideas as this project might progress quickly. Discussion opens now on and votes will occur on Sunday 16:00 (4:00 PM) GMT+0 which closes the week after that.


Means of Communication	Pros	Cons	Discussion
Wiki
Discord
Hybrid
[Other Proposals?]

Means of Voting	Pros	Cons	Discussion
Wiki
Discord
Anonymous Google Forms
[Other Proposals?]

General comments

I am confused about some aspects of this post.

Why exactly is a new post needed, if discussion here already proceeded substantially and the nature of the project has seemingly not changed much? I don't see any downside to why you would not continue there. If the page seems to bloated with old and irrelevant material, you can hide such parts using spoilers for example. But if we start a new post everytime we want to move the direction of a discussion, discussions will fizzle out more.
Secondly, what is the difference between "Motion to begin EUOIA project" and "Motion to Take Over EUOIA as MSTR is No Longer Regularly Active"?
Second and a half-ly, even if mstr is no longer active, how and why would someone "take over" a discussion on the forum - you could still just built upon the previous discussion, it doesn't seem to me like any of the material there is only accessible to mstr?
And lastly, mappers are free to coordinate their bi- or multilateral cooperations anywhere they like, including Discord, the Metaverse, or per carrier pigeon. But it is an established rule that anything that affects other mappers or that claims some form of community-wide validity needs to be discussed and decided on in the forum. That is not a matter of efficiency or ease of use but of transparency and fostering a community where everyone feels (and is) heard.

Please address these points before going into further details. Thanks! Leowezy (talk) 07:33, 16 February 2025 (UTC)

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+I am confused about some aspects of this post.
+*Why exactly is a new post needed, if discussion [[Forum:Global and regional issues/Eastern Ulethan Organisation of Independent Allies|here]] already proceeded substantially and the nature of the project has seemingly not changed much? I don't see any downside to why you would not continue there. If the page seems to bloated with old and irrelevant material, you can hide such parts using spoilers for example. But if we start a new post everytime we want to move the direction of a discussion, discussions will fizzle out more.
+*Secondly, what is the difference between "Motion to begin EUOIA project" and "Motion to Take Over EUOIA as MSTR is No Longer Regularly Active"?
+*Second and a half-ly, even if mstr is no longer active, how and why would someone "take over" a discussion on the forum - you could still just built upon the previous discussion, it doesn't seem to me like any of the material there is only accessible to mstr?
+*And lastly, mappers are free to coordinate their bi- or multilateral cooperations anywhere they like, including Discord, the Metaverse, or per carrier pigeon. But it is an established rule that anything that affects other mappers or that claims some form of community-wide validity needs to be discussed and decided on in the forum. That is not a matter of efficiency or ease of use but of transparency and fostering a community where everyone feels (and is) heard.
+Please address these points before going into further details. Thanks! [[User:Leowezy|Leowezy]] ([[User talk:Leowezy|talk]]) 07:33, 16 February 2025 (UTC)