Forum:Ingrea/Capital city

Discussion of Sudo91's proposal

I'm happy to favour this current proposal, considering its advanced detailing and the lack of any other submissions. Broadly speaking I'm happy with the first-order sketches presented. Yuanls (talk) 22:13, 27 May 2024 (UTC)

One thing I'd highlight about the Wendon plan is that the trunk road system is a lot more well-developed than London (or really any British city). This diverges quite substantially from modern British urban planning because many of these 1950s-80s road building projects, e.g. the London Ringways plan, were never fully realised. N.b. this is neither a criticism nor an approval of the road layout - I am merely highlighting my observations for further discussion if required. Yuanls (talk) 22:13, 27 May 2024 (UTC)

I'd also like to raise the point about the area 'outside' of Wendon proper, but still within the boundaries of UL10-14. Historically London and other UK cities have grown relatively little in the past half century (probably even less than the red area on the new Wendon plan from the wiki page), because of the creation of the 'green belt' which limited suburban sprawl. Instead in the UK, we have a ring of large, high-income commuter towns within and outside the green belt. Are we planning to replicate something similar here? Or perhaps because of Ingrea's large size there was less concern about urban sprawl and so we could potentially make the most modern suburbs larger, but less dense? Again, it would be good to hear everybody's thoughts. Yuanls (talk) 22:13, 27 May 2024 (UTC)

I like how Sudo91's proposal renders the feeling of gigantism of London's urban sprawl. I noticed that both current rivers were quite wide (~300m/1000ft for the smaller one to ~650m/2100ft for the larger one). If they are kept as such, I suppose this might have somehow hindered the development on the opposite bank. Maybe the existence of some market towns, that developed over the centuries, some 10-15km (5-10mi) from the Old Town, before being incorporated in the larger urban area, may explain the situation. They may still work as secondary city centres today. I'd tend to agree with Yuanis regarding the absence of a very-British green belt or large parks (e.g. former royal hunting grounds like Richmond Park) that channelled urban development. Apart from these few points that made me wonder, I feel the drafts are fairly appealing.

For some reasons, some of these reflections focused on how the Ingrean Parliament Building may look like as to not be too similar to the Palace of Westminster. Here is a draft, based on Sudo91's maps. You may reuse the whole thing, parts of it or nothing at all (.osm file available):

Parliament area overview	Zoom on Parliament	Zoom on National Museum	Zoom on Old-New Town Limit
A bit of map-playing extending from the Parliament Building	Heavily based on London Natural History Museum, a grand Romanesque-revival, Victorian building	Potential location of the/a National Museum	Area where the old and new towns meet, along one of the ring roads Sudo's drew

--Aiki (talk) 18:58, 1 June 2024 (UTC)

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