Forum:Global and regional issues/EUOIA
TL;DR
This page will be used to develop (hopefully) final iteration of the EUOIA, a proposed supranational union comprising of countries in the Eastern Ulethan Region. Some concepts have already been discussed outside of the wiki, but as this project grows it will be necessary to allow everyone in the region (and the world) to have a voice in this project.
A note to administrators: I do recognize that there is a predecessor to this forum located here, but we will require a clean slate as we will be rebuilding things from the bottom up. If there is a better solution, feel free to implement it!
Discord Server
As stated in the previous EUOIA page, there is a discord server in which a majority of future participants (and those residing on the Eastern Ulethan) region. This server will be exclusively for countries in the region, and is located here: https://discord.gg/j7UdFdaHvQ, but this page will be frequently updated in a way so that those who can't join can still participate <3. We held a couple of relevant votes so far on the discord server to determine EUOIA elements but will be searching for a way for everybody to participate in EUOIA.
Already Decided Votes:
For full transparency, here are all the votes taken on Discord with those who voted:
Motion to begin EUOIA project:
- YES: 100% - Nuen, Saikyel, Urksivo, Ugawa, Izaland, Miuro, Filo Islands, Wendmark-Đenkuku, Ankwoen, Sapvuodma, Taira, Moyontawi, Sephyra
- NO: 0%
Motion to Take Over EUOIA as MSTR is No Longer Regularly Active
- YES: 87% - Nuen, Remsfalen, Tekurius, Urksivo, Ugawa, Izaland, Miuro, Ankwoen, Sapvuodma, Semanya, Taira, Moyontawi, Sephyra
- NO: 0%
- BEGIN A NEW, SIMILAR PROJECT: 13% - Filo Islands, Wendmark-Đenkuku
Roll Call on Those Who are Joining EUOIA (NOT PERMANENT):
- PARTICIPATING: 93% - Nuen, Remsfalen, Kaarti, Ukrsivo, Ugawa, Izaland, Eshein, Miuro, Filo Islands, Wendmark-Đenkuku, Ankwoen, Sapvuodma, Semanya, Taira
- NOT PARTICIPATING: 7% - Tekurius
Agrees that EUOIA Originates from an Economic Union:
- YES: 93% - Nuen, Remsfalen, Lantia, Urksivo, Ugawa, IZaland, Eshein, Miuro, Wendmark-Đenkuku, Ankwoen, Sapvuodma, Taira, Selanxia, Sephyra
- NO: 0%
- REQUEST TO PAUSE VOTE AND DISCUSS FURTHER: 7% - Kara
Proposals for Communicating & Voting
As the EUOIA project progresses, it is important to determine a means of quick, efficient communication to share ideas as this project might progress quickly. Discussion opens now on and votes will occur on Sunday 16:00 (4:00 PM) GMT+0 which closes the week after that.
| Means of Communication | Pros | Cons | Discussion |
|---|---|---|---|
| Wiki | |||
| Discord | |||
| Hybrid | |||
| [Other Proposals?] |
| Means of Voting | Pros | Cons | Discussion |
|---|---|---|---|
| Wiki | |||
| Discord | |||
| Anonymous Google Forms | |||
| [Other Proposals?] |
General comments
I am confused about some aspects of this post.
- Why exactly is a new post needed, if discussion here already proceeded substantially and the nature of the project has seemingly not changed much? I don't see any downside to why you would not continue there. If the page seems to bloated with old and irrelevant material, you can hide such parts using spoilers for example. But if we start a new post everytime we want to move the direction of a discussion, discussions will fizzle out more.
- Secondly, what is the difference between "Motion to begin EUOIA project" and "Motion to Take Over EUOIA as MSTR is No Longer Regularly Active"?
- Second and a half-ly, even if mstr is no longer active, how and why would someone "take over" a discussion on the forum - you could still just built upon the previous discussion, it doesn't seem to me like any of the material there is only accessible to mstr?
- And lastly, mappers are free to coordinate their bi- or multilateral cooperations anywhere they like, including Discord, the Metaverse, or per carrier pigeon. But it is an established rule that anything that affects other mappers or that claims some form of community-wide validity needs to be discussed and decided on in the forum. That is not a matter of efficiency or ease of use but of transparency and fostering a community where everyone feels (and is) heard.
Please address these points before going into further details. Thanks! Leowezy (talk) 07:33, 16 February 2025 (UTC)
I like the questions of Leowezy being answered too. Last week i received a message from Parrotman with an invitation to the Discord-server, as my territory of Neberly is in East Uletha. Parrotman highly encouraged me to join "as many other mappers use is as a medium for communication and coordination as Eastern Uletha becomes a busier place. For EUOIA stuff, we will continue to post stuff on the forum but most of our decision making will take place on Discord." I'm not a member yet of Discord and i'm not looking for another way to discuss topics in our 'corner of the world'. For me this forum works fine, also as it can be viewed by all Opengeofiction-members and not just the ones getting an invitation. Antoon (talk) 10:45, 16 February 2025 (UTC)
Hey guys! Both of you raised very valid points and concerns as I have not clarified some aspects of this post, to which my reply below helps clarify some issues that have emerged.
To reply to Leowezy's questions:
- I did originally want to proceed with the "hiding elements in the previous discussion" idea, but I'm quite new to the wiki and that I didn't know how that would quite work out. If you are able to do that, feel free to delete this page and move everything to the other -- with the expandable feature -- thanks!
- "Motion to Begin EUOIA Project" is to just find a general consensus on whether or not if the majority of those in the region are interested and want to resurrect the EUOIA project; "Motion to Take Over EUOIA as MSTR is No Longer Regularly Active" is to clarify whether or not if we are looking to bring back EUOIA specifically or if we want to make another supranational union, dropping the EUOIA namesake.
- The whole point of a new forum (or per the first question a revived discussion on the old forum) is to rebuild from the ground up, as the needs and requirements of the EU region has fluctuated over the past few years of when the discussion kind of died out. We've seen new countries pop up in this region and recently we have collectively revised the history in the region (which is emerging on the wiki) and I have found that the current working EUOIA doesn't fit as well as it might've before... it might just be easier to scrap everything, and start over again... and recycling some elements from the previous discussion (such as flag ideas, etc...) are already being considered.
- Although I have considered carrier pigeon, wiki forums, and more recently Pictionary as a mode of communication over the topic of EUOIA, for the past few months I have grown a discord server that communicates about mapping, history, and commercial bits in the region and I thought it would be more convenient if we just communicated it through there. Obviously, I didn't consider the transparency and "putting the idea to the rest of the world" aspects until a few days ago when Izaland brought up this concern, which is why I'm pushing the previous Proposals for Communicating and Voting. Obviously, using Discord as the sole means of idea pitching, voting, and discussing is never going to happen, as I do agree that the community shouldn't be gatekept from collaborating in the EUOIA project. However, I do want to determine discord's role in this discussion (e.g., as an auxiliary for discussion?) for this post. However, I think that we can all agree that from now on, anything that is discussed outside of the wiki pertaining to EUOIA will have to be posted on the wiki anyways.
To reply to Antoon's question:
- Firstly, I want to apologize if you were feeling offended in any means -- that was not my intention. This invitation obviously occurred before Izaland's concerns. As per other concerns you have brought up, please read my reply to Leowezy.
Hope to hear from y'all soon! ParrotMan (talk) 15:55, 16 February 2025 (UTC)