Forum:Territory application/UL06a - Kardox

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	Territory ID and proposed name
	The Territory ID (from OpenGeofiction:Territories, e.g. AR123a) and proposed name of the country

UL06a (if possible incl. UL06b) -- Kardox

	Physical geography
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The area is located approx. on the same latitude as Anatolia and the Caucasus, which will make the area similar in terms of geography. The west and the south are temperate and more humid due to the a pump of warm water from the south gulf (similar to the Pontus region) Avg. winter temp. approx -5 to 5 C, avg. summer temp. 20-25 degrees C, coastal climate. The middle part of the country which is sandwiched by two parallel mountain ranges is mostly arid and shrubbish with some creeks flowing from the mountain (Zagros mountain). Avg. winter temp approx. -10 to 5 degrees C, summer temp. 25-30 degrees C. The eastern and northern part of the country is drier, sunny and mediterranean (Italy, Greece). Avg. winter temp. 0-5 degrees C, avg. summer temp around 30.

https://imgur.com/a/rxhzwjr

	Human geography
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Realistically about 10 million people in the country (similar size to Azerbaijan). Most people along the coast and close to waters, less people in the center.

Economic development stable. Less urbanization compared to IRL West, more similar to Mideast countries. Land occupation high along the coast and waters with towns and cities and agriculture (olives, grapes, wheat etc.). Agriculture also in the mountainous middle region.

	History & culture
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Kardic language (Kurdish), Kurdish culture. Minority of Turkish (Turquese) and perhaps Persian/Caucasian/Indian.

It's good to represent cultures that have not been guaranteed official status IRL.

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The area itself is mapped by me some time ago including UL06b, which is why it would be ideal for it to return to me. I look for merging the two together. I've also done a bit in UL06c.

Other examples: Nordrige https://opengeofiction.net/#map=9/63.0498/50.8574&layers=5 Mountainous

https://opengeofiction.net/#map=8/-8.959/144.630&layers=5 Nothini Matsonira, old example.

Midesapa: https://opengeofiction.net/#map=9/-41.6548/146.2802&layers=5 I will not take credit for the current mapping but I still have few remnants of what I used to do here.

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Theruler (talk) 17:45, 12 September 2025 (UTC)

Good to see you back in the region. I think the plan doesn't differ that much from what you laid on the map few years ago... I would also like to support merging UL06a and UL06b into one territory. Separation doesn't make a lot of sense with current geography and I feel like whoever would like to claim UL06b any time later, would have very little to say about natural features and national infrastructure in that territory when both Demirhan and UL06a are claimed. Rustem Pasha (talk) 18:13, 12 September 2025 (UTC)
Welcome back ruler! I hope you don't mind if I make some comments. Firstly, as the OGF project as a whole is in a more mature phase now, a phase where we've been eliminating old low quality names like 'Franquese' and 'Ingerish', I don't think we should be introducing any such names back into the project. Kardox is Kurdish for ancient Kurdistan, whereas Kardic is derivative of Kurdic. I think it'd be nice to take a more creative approach to naming things. Thanks, and I hope you don't take offense at this comment. --IiEarth (talk) 22:04, 12 September 2025 (UTC)
Thanks for the positive comments. Just a point, Li Earth, Kardox is not a name for ancient Kurdistan proper but a historical variant name of the historical region Corduene which is a smaller region within Kurdistan. I named it Kardox because I think there’s originality in having a valuable yet not well-known name of a region associated with Kurds. It perhaps would be unoriginal if I named the region “Botan” which is representantive of Kurdistan proper and well-known by even non-Kurds. But I’m open for revision. Theruler (talk) 07:10, 13 September 2025 (UTC)
Hi, Theruler, once again. I have two things to mention. First, less pivotal: I agree with iiEarth that the names can be more creative. I am not going to dwelve into whether the name Kardox is uncreative itself, but let's say that the fact that it's a real historical region connected to the Kurdish culture is a sign that you probably can create a better name. Same goes for Kardic, no need to base the term on the real world word, therefore I'd highly suggest you make a more creative name, I know you can. Secondly, Alessa and me believe it would be better if you started with a smaller area than what is UL06a, despite the fact that you owned it before. The area we were thinking is this region^∈^⊾ + some smaller neighboring administrative regions as well. UL06b would be included, totaling to about a 1/3 of what you are requesting. We acknowledge your past commitment and activity in various parts of our OGF world but that is what we believe the same reason we are proposing this. We think working on a smaller area (but not as small as UL06b) will enhance your commitment. You had your previous territories withdrawn for inactivity on multiple occassion, so we'd like to be assured you will be committed to this project as much as you can and wish to be. Delivering with activity will easily yield a chance to get the remaining area. Thoughts? ── Bixelkoven (talk) (West Uletha Admin) 23:33, 16 September 2025 (UTC)

I understand that I've had high inactivity levels, but I would appreciate if I had the chance to start lay out my geographic plans more easily, as geography is crucial for realism and city planning. If you wish to see commitment on a smaller piece of territory, I would have nothing against it. But is it necessary to create a smaller country in order to do so? If it is fine with you, we could perhaps combine the two territories (so that we won't need problems with the border relations) and distinguish the outlined area from the rest of the territory (as a region). You could then check up on my progress in the region you outlined and if everything checks out, I can continue my work on the rest of the country. I can manage using JOSM to do the regions. "Zozandarî" could be a viable alternative name with a fictive language name of Zozandarian. Theruler (talk) 23:57, 16 September 2025 (UTC)

We'd like to see you show activity in the proposed smaller territory (UL06b + Western Arya (Gharbistan)^∈^⊾ + Gulistan^∈^⊾ + Danishmend^∈^⊾) first before owning the rest of UL06a. Expanding your ownership upon UL06a will be rather easy and straight forward, we won't require you to do anything extraordinary, but we want to be assured that you will be committed long-term on this project, and to do so we believe it is better for you to start small. This isn't a sign of distrust but your history of getting your territories withdrawn often is making us more cautious. We'd love to see you stick to the project and in the not-so-distant future see you expand into the rest of UL06a. You may or may not take into account the entire area when planning things, that's up to you. There are also other aspects like our balancing of cultures in the region. Do you agree to these terms? ── Bixelkoven (talk) (West Uletha Admin) 10:46, 18 September 2025 (UTC)

Alright then :) When can I start? Theruler (talk) 14:05, 18 September 2025 (UTC)

Great! Could you just tell me what is you final decision for the country name? Kardox or Zozandarî? I will do the necessary boundary changes today, so after you see the changes render, you may start working on your new territory. Happy mapping! ── Bixelkoven (talk) (West Uletha Admin) 14:54, 18 September 2025 (UTC)
Zozandarî. Thanks. Theruler (talk) 18:54, 18 September 2025 (UTC)

File:Feather-core-check-square.svg	Territory application approved
	Accepted. ── Bixelkoven (talk) (West Uletha Admin) 14:54, 18 September 2025 (UTC)
	All terms agreed in the discussion above.