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	Territory ID and proposed name
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AR047-5 Terrensonnee

	Physical geography
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https://i.postimg.cc/SxXf9ykJ/Terrensonnee-Plan.png

Sitting across the 45° southern parallel the territory might be expected to have a temperate to cold climate. I propose to continue the highland and mountainous ranges from the eastern Astrasian states (the Appanousaks, Chanceux and Saggamanches ranges) and from the western territory of Ooayatais, part of the Ardence project held by Luciano, which may be unnamed (possibly Carcajous or Saganausca) and is indicated on the sketch as Chaîne Ooayatais. These ranges will largely remain unpopulated forested regions, at some parts quite dense and inaccessible. The territory is bisected by two existing river systems, which I propose to name Terrensonnee (the shorter, wider and more voluminous northern river system) and Minnaree (the longer southern river).

J33 (talk) 06:27, 9 July 2023 (UTC) - EDIT: switched the river geography making the northern river the more accessible and utilised; the southern more remote:

The Terrensonnee valley will be a wide, sheltered and fertile valley given over in large part to agricultural use while the Minnaree, after forging a large canyon system close to source through the Chanceux Massif, will fall into a remote and heavily forested watercourse. To the south west of the territory will be an extensive forested taiga-like equivalent of southern conifers with some aspects of tundra in the higher reaches, the Nannora forest. The northern lowland falling to Lake Wihinapa will be the most temperate and accessible zone and therefore the most populous, the larger part of it given over to agricultural production.

	Human geography
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I intend to follow the mapping styles of neighbouring territories, particularly Ardence to the west. The territory/state capital, Linliers, will be to the north on the shore of Lake Wihinapa.

J33 (talk) 06:27, 9 July 2023 (UTC) - EDIT: considerably reduced overall population plan and specifically town/city sizes:

Whilst the largest population centre of the territory, I plan for it to be considerably smaller than Saint-Jean-de-Chance, with a population approaching 300k. I intend for this to be the cultural and industrial hub of the territory, well connected by transport lines continued from west and northern territories, perhaps extending east into Ooayatais and twinned - in economic and industrial terms - with Ohunkagan (though significantly smaller), as well as being a centralised outlet for the considerable agricultural production of the surrounding lowland area, La Basse Linliers. Smaller population centres will be drawn up particularly in this lowland area, in the Terrensonnee valley and to some extent the Nannora forest, but I would not expect to map any other large cities, perhaps with general limitations of up to 10k for townships dotted around the territory, potentially a 100k city in the Terrensonnee valley as the 'second city' of the territory - this may be on the site of previous Murfeesboro Falls, and I would consider restoring the name here, too, or having something adapted from it.

	History & culture
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I am keen to follow the plan for this territory as a developed francophile nation, former colony, with indiginous influences, using Quebecois-inspired names for much labelling along with a selection of native american linguistic influences, and in some cases the odd colonial English-American name.

A sample intended names - Alivina, Anesine, Belinia, Belzanie, Clarenne, Colomba, Lacordia, Lexine, Oceanne, Romane; Summernola, Glento, Multaine, Crosrane, Terrensonnee, Magnus, Nannora, Palaniuk, Minnaree, Kingsheller, Melville, Bentona, Linliers, Osona, Onolis, Orephia, Clarennia/Clarenne.

	Past mapping
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https://opengeofiction.net/#map=15/13.9200/-111.7562&layers=B

I completed this piece as my demonstration work. I don't think I will use the same mapping theme as this is largely of British and north European style, started before I had really considered which territory I would like to map. I wanted to create a large variation in a small area to cover rural, urban and industrial mapping; so this has been drafted as a section of an orbital motorway, in which the inner zone would likely condense into heavy urbanised zones, but the orbital itself would form a sort of boundary between the developed and rural surroundings.

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J33 (talk) 06:40, 7 July 2023 (UTC)

	Discussion
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I'd welcome a new Francophone neighbor to the east of Ooayatais. Ooayatais is quite Quebec / Canada influenced - I tend to approach it as a kind of Francophone re-imagining of Saskatchewan (north) and British Columbia (south). The two main native groups are the Rakhoda (= real world Dakota / Lakota / Nakota) and Haïde (= real world Haida). My aim with native names is to be linguistically authentic to those real-world sources, so most native names have true etymologies. Bear in mind the topography of Ooayatais is fully established via the topo layer: https://opengeofiction.net/#map=8/-44.731/146.591&layers=V . Sainte-Jeanne is badly mapped (it's really just a quick, high-level sketch and subject to change), but I've made some good progress with the "second capital" in the south, Saint-Raphaël: https://opengeofiction.net/#map=14/-46.6367/146.7466&layers=B. --Luciano (talk) 14:56, 7 July 2023 (UTC)

Oh wow that is another level of carto wizardry altogether on the topo layer that I didn't even see before. All a little too complicated for me and I don't suppose I'd be able to contribute at a level that will do you justice; I think I'll stick to geofictional vector maps in illustrator! Application hereby withdrawn (J33 (talk) 06:03, 8 July 2023 (UTC)), apologies for any inconvenience.

I don't think Luciano was trying to scare you off. OGF is for everyone, and the mapping you've already done is more than sufficient to successfully request a territory of your own. I think Luciano's point was just that there is existing topo mapped in Ooayatais and ensuring that any plan you have for the territory makes logical sense at a macro level, rather than expecting you to map at the same level of detail. I do hope you reconsider the withdrawal of your application (although if you'd prefer to have a less "intimidating" neighbor, there are plenty of other options available as well). --TheMayor (talk) 20:54, 7 July 2023 (UTC)

User:TheMayor is absolutely correct! - I wasn't trying to scare you off. In fact I was impressed by your application. It shows awareness of the geography and culture of surrounding regions. And frankly, having an active mapper, even one working at a different level of ability, is better than having an inactive or neglected territory. Please don't withdraw your application. Work with regional admins and I think you can get approved.--Luciano (talk) 21:59, 7 July 2023 (UTC)

Thank you both for supportive messages. I didn't mean to suggest I felt Luciano was trying to scare me off, apologies if I came over accusatory - I was just like, 'wow I can't do that kind of work'! If you think the level I produced in my demo piece is good enough then I will happily give it my best shot. I can't imagine I will reach the level of Luciano, there wouldn't be enough time in the day to learn but I'll absolutely work to make sure the territory is in keeping with Ooayatais westward and Astrasienne to the east. J33 (talk) 05:38, 8 July 2023 (UTC)

@User:Luciano looking at your topo would a cool/cold savannah in the south of the territory fit alongside your Le Moineau range east of Rivière Takaou? And is the norther Sounctoquetcha province and what I think is an upland plateau in Ouapitis province an arid zone? I'm wondering if agricultural focus in the north of proposed Terrensonnee territory is applicable.

My take on the climate in Ooayatais. I visualize the north (from the south shore of Wihinapa down to the Carcajous ranges) as being like Saskatchewan or North Dakota - technically "semi-arid" but agriculturally quite productive (winter wheat, rapeseed (canola), sugar beets, cattle rangeland, etc). South of the Carcajous would be maybe more like Quebec or Newfoundland - very cold winters but maritime, with a lot more moisture. I'd be uncomfortable classifying it as "Savannah" - it's wetter than that, probably extensively forested (again, compare to Northern Ontario/Quebec/Canadian maritimes).--Luciano (talk) 13:35, 8 July 2023 (UTC)

Thank you, most helpful. I have put a couple of edits into the proposal to match your climate description, in particular swapping the geography of the two main rivers so that the northern is the more developed by humans and the southern more remote, changing the savannah to forested taiga (allowing this is the south, not boreal) and reducing population plans in general. Hopefully this is closer and more consistent with Ooayatais. J33 (talk) 06:34, 9 July 2023 (UTC)

@TheMayor the territory appears to have a lot of mapping in the topo view does that stay or can it be edited/overwritten? J33 (talk) 05:55, 8 July 2023 (UTC)

The topo view fails to show recent deletions, as it is manually updated on an irregular schedule (i.e. when I get around to it). The detailed mapping you see on the low zooms on the topo view is no longer there. ogf-carto reflects the current state of the database.--Luciano (talk) 13:35, 8 July 2023 (UTC)

	Territory application approved
	Territory request approved. Please feel free to continue using this page to collaborate with Luciano as needed. --TheMayor (talk) 15:15, 9 July 2023 (UTC)
	Keep in mind this territory is part of the Collab:Astrasian Confederacy.

Thank you for appoving my request.

@User:Luciano I have started work editing the rivers in the territory and wondered if you wanted your Rivière Saint-Rose, issuing from Lac-qui-Chantait, to continue into Terrensonnee as there looks to be a course semi-mapped out already north-eastwards through my Clarenne department toward Lac Ashani.

@User:J33 - I don't quite understand your question about Rivière Saint-Rose - direction of rivers is important. Rivière Saint-Rose flows as a small stream into Lac-qui-Chantait, then issues out from that lake at its northeast corner and then bends around and becomes a major watercourse through Ooayatais, flowing northwestward, eventually forming part of the border with Makaska to the north, and then flows into Lake Minnehunkou. So what you describe wouldn't make sense. You can examine the river relation https://opengeofiction.net/relation/169595#map=9/-44.3415/147.9144&layers=B --Luciano (talk) 13:46, 14 July 2023 (UTC)

@User:Luciano I am stupid sorry I didn't even think to check direction of flow.