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| colspan="4" style="background:#dddddd;padding:10px" | '''1. Avoid using well-known place names, real or fictional, past or present.''' | | colspan="4" style="background:#dddddd;padding:10px" | '''1. Avoid using well-known place names, real or fictional, past or present.''' | ||
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| style="padding:10px" | This is actually an [[OGF: | | style="padding:10px" | This is actually an [[OGF:Site policies|official OGF rule]], for several reasons: | ||
* Using a well-known name pulls the viewer's imagination away from the OGF world and pushes them back into the real world. | * Using a well-known name pulls the viewer's imagination away from the OGF world and pushes them back into the real world. | ||
* Using a well-known name can give the impression that the name does not originate naturally from within the OGF world. A well-known name often comes across as having been placed there by an unimaginative mapmaker from Earth. | * Using a well-known name can give the impression that the name does not originate naturally from within the OGF world. A well-known name often comes across as having been placed there by an unimaginative mapmaker from Earth. | ||
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* Using a well-known name can be seen as lacking creativity, or suggesting that our world is just a mixed up version of Earth. | * Using a well-known name can be seen as lacking creativity, or suggesting that our world is just a mixed up version of Earth. | ||
| width="100px" style="background:#ffcccc" | Kenya<br>Paraguay<br>Berlin<br>Shanghai<br>Vancouver<br>Assyria<br>Narnia<br>Mordor | | width="100px" style="background:#ffcccc" | Kenya<br>Paraguay<br>Berlin<br>Shanghai<br>Vancouver<br>Assyria<br>Narnia<br>Mordor | ||
| width="30px" | [[File: | | width="30px" | [[File:SHSM standard arrow.svg|30px]] | ||
| width="100px" style="background:#ccffcc" | Kinayu<br>Parsuway<br>Burlicht<br>Shaiheng<br>Van Pelt<br>Syrasia<br>Anniria<br>Murdoon | | width="100px" style="background:#ccffcc" | Kinayu<br>Parsuway<br>Burlicht<br>Shaiheng<br>Van Pelt<br>Syrasia<br>Anniria<br>Murdoon | ||
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| style="padding:10px" | Even if a place is not well-known ''to you'', it may be well-known to millions of people in another part of the world.<br><br>For example, you may think "Guadalajara" is a unique, exotic name, but to 120 million people in Mexico it's [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Metropolitan_areas_of_Mexico#List_of_metropolitan_areas_in_Mexico_by_population very well-known.] | | style="padding:10px" | Even if a place is not well-known ''to you'', it may be well-known to millions of people in another part of the world.<br><br>For example, you may think "Guadalajara" is a unique, exotic name, but to 120 million people in Mexico it's [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Metropolitan_areas_of_Mexico#List_of_metropolitan_areas_in_Mexico_by_population very well-known.] | ||
| width="100px" style="background:#ffcccc" | Guadalajara<br>Tallahassee<br>Düsseldorf | | width="100px" style="background:#ffcccc" | Guadalajara<br>Tallahassee<br>Düsseldorf | ||
| width="30px" | [[File: | | width="30px" | [[File:SHSM standard arrow.svg|30px]] | ||
| width="100px" style="background:#ccffcc" | Guelenajana<br>Tophappan<br>Du Bois | | width="100px" style="background:#ccffcc" | Guelenajana<br>Tophappan<br>Du Bois | ||
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| style="padding:10px" | Similarly, using the prominent place names of a specific region isn't ideal, either.<br><br>For example, most people may not know "Kamloops," "Chilliwack," "Nanaimo" or "Kelowna" but to millions of people in [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_population_centres_in_British_Columbia British Columbia] they are very well-known. The names of smaller towns, such as "Lytton," "Sayward," and "Granisle," may be a better solution. Even if you think a name is pretty obscure, try switching it up a little to be as original as you can. | | style="padding:10px" | Similarly, using the prominent place names of a specific region isn't ideal, either.<br><br>For example, most people may not know "Kamloops," "Chilliwack," "Nanaimo" or "Kelowna" but to millions of people in [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_population_centres_in_British_Columbia British Columbia] they are very well-known. The names of smaller towns, such as "Lytton," "Sayward," and "Granisle," may be a better solution. Even if you think a name is pretty obscure, try switching it up a little to be as original as you can. | ||
| width="100px" style="background:#ffcccc" | Kamloops<br>Chilliwack<br>Nanaimo<br>Kelowna | | width="100px" style="background:#ffcccc" | Kamloops<br>Chilliwack<br>Nanaimo<br>Kelowna | ||
| width="30px" | [[File: | | width="30px" | [[File:SHSM standard arrow.svg|30px]] | ||
| width="100px" style="background:#ccffcc" | Pamooks<br>Wackachia<br>Mononai<br>Kewolla | | width="100px" style="background:#ccffcc" | Pamooks<br>Wackachia<br>Mononai<br>Kewolla | ||
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| style="padding:10px" | Avoid referencing real world companies, organizations, and famous people or characters. | | style="padding:10px" | Avoid referencing real world companies, organizations, and famous people or characters. | ||
| width="100px" style="background:#ffcccc" | State of Nestlé<br>Baberuth Town<br>Harrypotter City | | width="100px" style="background:#ffcccc" | State of Nestlé<br>Baberuth Town<br>Harrypotter City | ||
| width="30px" | [[File: | | width="30px" | [[File:SHSM standard arrow.svg|30px]] | ||
| width="100px" style="background:#ccffcc" | State of Nésene<br>Ruth Town<br>Potterston City | | width="100px" style="background:#ccffcc" | State of Nésene<br>Ruth Town<br>Potterston City | ||
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| style="padding:10px" | There's no need to do this for ''every'' name, but for important names, such as your country name and largest cities, Google them to make sure they don't have other well-known meanings that might be strange or unwanted.<br><br>For example, "Durchfall" might sound like a pleasant name, but that word has [https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Durchfall a very unpleasant meaning] in a major European language. Even in cases where the other meaning of the word isn't unpleasant, the weirdness can still be distracting. Don't name your country "Tempura" or "Myalgia" or "Shakira" for example. Those words already have other well-known meanings that will be distracting for a lot of people. If you're not sure about a name, feel free to ask the OGF community. | | style="padding:10px" | There's no need to do this for ''every'' name, but for important names, such as your country name and largest cities, Google them to make sure they don't have other well-known meanings that might be strange or unwanted.<br><br>For example, "Durchfall" might sound like a pleasant name, but that word has [https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Durchfall a very unpleasant meaning] in a major European language. Even in cases where the other meaning of the word isn't unpleasant, the weirdness can still be distracting. Don't name your country "Tempura" or "Myalgia" or "Shakira" for example. Those words already have other well-known meanings that will be distracting for a lot of people. If you're not sure about a name, feel free to ask the OGF community. | ||
| width="100px" style="background:#ffcccc" | Durchfall<br>Tempura<br>Myalgia<br>Shakira | | width="100px" style="background:#ffcccc" | Durchfall<br>Tempura<br>Myalgia<br>Shakira | ||
| width="30px" | [[File: | | width="30px" | [[File:SHSM standard arrow.svg|30px]] | ||
| width="100px" style="background:#ccffcc" | Dursvale<br>Terumea<br>Mygania<br>Skanira | | width="100px" style="background:#ccffcc" | Dursvale<br>Terumea<br>Mygania<br>Skanira | ||
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| style="padding:10px" | Similarly, make sure your important names don't ''sound like'' something weird. "Dayaria" might seem like a great name for a country until you realize it sounds like "Diarrhea." When in doubt, ask for feedback from friends or the OGF community. <br><br>If you're not a native English speaker and you want to make sure your important places don't sound odd in English, ask a native English speaker. Or if you're creating a country in a language that's not your own, ask a native speaker of that language. The OGF community speaks lots of languages and will be happy to help. | | style="padding:10px" | Similarly, make sure your important names don't ''sound like'' something weird. "Dayaria" might seem like a great name for a country until you realize it sounds like "Diarrhea." When in doubt, ask for feedback from friends or the OGF community. <br><br>If you're not a native English speaker and you want to make sure your important places don't sound odd in English, ask a native English speaker. Or if you're creating a country in a language that's not your own, ask a native speaker of that language. The OGF community speaks lots of languages and will be happy to help. | ||
| width="100px" style="background:#ffcccc" | Dayaria<br>Kokakola<br>Mik Imaus<br>Ostralia<br>Tattooween | | width="100px" style="background:#ffcccc" | Dayaria<br>Kokakola<br>Mik Imaus<br>Ostralia<br>Tattooween | ||
| width="30px" | [[File: | | width="30px" | [[File:SHSM standard arrow.svg|30px]] | ||
| width="100px" style="background:#ccffcc" | Darania<br>Koakolana<br>Mik Umasi<br>Ostaria<br>Taturian | | width="100px" style="background:#ccffcc" | Darania<br>Koakolana<br>Mik Umasi<br>Ostaria<br>Taturian | ||
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Each of these maps has a different flavor — a flavor which is created entirely by the pattern of names. | Each of these maps has a different flavor — a flavor which is created entirely by the pattern of names. | ||
| width="100px" style="background:#ffcccc" | <u>Reina Aléjana</u><br>Newcrown<br>Baie-Rose<br>Falcon City<br>Klaraburg<br>Sankt Beniamin<br>Sint Donald<br>Kawaha<br>Grand-Arbre | | width="100px" style="background:#ffcccc" | <u>Reina Aléjana</u><br>Newcrown<br>Baie-Rose<br>Falcon City<br>Klaraburg<br>Sankt Beniamin<br>Sint Donald<br>Kawaha<br>Grand-Arbre | ||
| width="30px" | [[File: | | width="30px" | [[File:SHSM standard arrow.svg|30px]] | ||
| width="100px" style="background:#ccffcc" | <u>Reina Aléjana</u><br>Nueva Corona<br>Báhiarosa<br>Ciudad Halcón<br>Ciudad Clara<br>San Benjamín<br>San Donaldo<br>Cáhuaja<br>Árbol Grande | | width="100px" style="background:#ccffcc" | <u>Reina Aléjana</u><br>Nueva Corona<br>Báhiarosa<br>Ciudad Halcón<br>Ciudad Clara<br>San Benjamín<br>San Donaldo<br>Cáhuaja<br>Árbol Grande | ||
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| width="100px" style="background:#ffcccc" | <u>Lumu Republic</u><br>Ba Nehar<br>Säarija<br>Baczeshnyk<br>Rulerton<br>Agâscht<br>Bathville<br>Lútherbergh<br>Gillette | | width="100px" style="background:#ffcccc" | <u>Lumu Republic</u><br>Ba Nehar<br>Säarija<br>Baczeshnyk<br>Rulerton<br>Agâscht<br>Bathville<br>Lútherbergh<br>Gillette | ||
| width="30px" | [[File: | | width="30px" | [[File:SHSM standard arrow.svg|30px]] | ||
| width="100px" style="background:#ccffcc" | <u>Lumu Republic</u><br>Ba Nehar<br>Salmagara<br>Ba Hugamna<br>Narulur<br>Agamanu<br>Ba Munhu<br>Lanu Lahu<br>Galumar | | width="100px" style="background:#ccffcc" | <u>Lumu Republic</u><br>Ba Nehar<br>Salmagara<br>Ba Hugamna<br>Narulur<br>Agamanu<br>Ba Munhu<br>Lanu Lahu<br>Galumar | ||
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| style="padding:10px" | Some names just lack the seriousness of typical place names. True, there are some weird names in real life, but they are few and far between so use them sparingly. Avoid any name that might get you a cease-and-desist letter from the lawyers of Spider-Man, Froot Loops, or anyone else.<br><br>Remember, joke countries are not permitted in OGF. (Jokes are okay, but they should be subtle and clever, not overwhelming and obvious.) | | style="padding:10px" | Some names just lack the seriousness of typical place names. True, there are some weird names in real life, but they are few and far between so use them sparingly. Avoid any name that might get you a cease-and-desist letter from the lawyers of Spider-Man, Froot Loops, or anyone else.<br><br>Remember, joke countries are not permitted in OGF. (Jokes are okay, but they should be subtle and clever, not overwhelming and obvious.) | ||
| width="100px" style="background:#ffcccc" | Spider-Man Bay<br>Teddybearland<br>Lollypop Island<br>Froot Loop City<br>Pepto-Bismol | | width="100px" style="background:#ffcccc" | Spider-Man Bay<br>Teddybearland<br>Lollypop Island<br>Froot Loop City<br>Pepto-Bismol | ||
| width="30px" | [[File: | | width="30px" | [[File:SHSM standard arrow.svg|30px]] | ||
| width="100px" style="background:#ccffcc" | Parker Bay<br>Tedursia<br>Poplolly Island<br>Ringfruit City<br>Rosy Bismouth | | width="100px" style="background:#ccffcc" | Parker Bay<br>Tedursia<br>Poplolly Island<br>Ringfruit City<br>Rosy Bismouth | ||
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| style="padding:10px" | Make names at least somewhat pronounceable. It's fun to think up really crazy names, but if they are ''too'' outrageously impenetrable they may not feel realistic. It's definitely a challenge to create exotic names that still capture a sense of realism. | | style="padding:10px" | Make names at least somewhat pronounceable. It's fun to think up really crazy names, but if they are ''too'' outrageously impenetrable they may not feel realistic. It's definitely a challenge to create exotic names that still capture a sense of realism. | ||
| width="100px" style="background:#ffcccc" | Z'xzññzzhxz<br>CttctTúr<br>M4jqjkqqk | | width="100px" style="background:#ffcccc" | Z'xzññzzhxz<br>CttctTúr<br>M4jqjkqqk | ||
| width="30px" | [[File: | | width="30px" | [[File:SHSM standard arrow.svg|30px]] | ||
| width="100px" style="background:#ccffcc" | Z'syñazhôz<br>Cuttutúr<br>Mykjakik | | width="100px" style="background:#ccffcc" | Z'syñazhôz<br>Cuttutúr<br>Mykjakik | ||
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| rowspan="2" style="padding:10px" | Make sure your pattern of names doesn't come across as a joke. For example, "A'milan" is a fine name on its own, but if it's surrounded by "A'venice" and "A'florence" and "A'rome" it starts to look like a joke country. "Bushville" would be fine on its own, but next to "Clintonville" and "Obamaville" it starts to seem like a pattern referencing US presidents. | | rowspan="2" style="padding:10px" | Make sure your pattern of names doesn't come across as a joke. For example, "A'milan" is a fine name on its own, but if it's surrounded by "A'venice" and "A'florence" and "A'rome" it starts to look like a joke country. "Bushville" would be fine on its own, but next to "Clintonville" and "Obamaville" it starts to seem like a pattern referencing US presidents. | ||
| width="100px" style="background:#ffcccc" | A'milan<br>A'venice<br>A'florence<br>A'rome | | width="100px" style="background:#ffcccc" | A'milan<br>A'venice<br>A'florence<br>A'rome | ||
| width="30px" | [[File: | | width="30px" | [[File:SHSM standard arrow.svg|30px]] | ||
| width="100px" style="background:#ccffcc" | A'milan<br>A'navalice<br>A'ifrenze<br>A'remo | | width="100px" style="background:#ccffcc" | A'milan<br>A'navalice<br>A'ifrenze<br>A'remo | ||
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| width="100px" style="background:#ffcccc" | Bushville<br>Clintonville<br>Obamaville | | width="100px" style="background:#ffcccc" | Bushville<br>Clintonville<br>Obamaville | ||
| width="30px" | [[File: | | width="30px" | [[File:SHSM standard arrow.svg|30px]] | ||
| width="100px" style="background:#ccffcc" | Bushville<br>Cantonville<br>Omaville | | width="100px" style="background:#ccffcc" | Bushville<br>Cantonville<br>Omaville | ||
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==Have fun and ask questions== | ==Have fun and ask questions== | ||
Happy naming! If you have questions or comments, or are looking for more specific advice, feel free to share on the [[ | Happy naming! If you have questions or comments, or are looking for more specific advice, feel free to share on the [[{{TALKPAGENAME}}|talk page]] here or make a post on [[Forum:Request help or feedback|the forum]]. Lots of people in the OGF community would be more than happy to help you with names. | ||
Be sure to also check out '''[[ | Be sure to also check out '''[[Help:Resources for names]]''', which is particularly useful if you want to generate thousands of street names, village names, etc. | ||
==See also== | ==See also== | ||
* [[ | * [[Help:Resources for names]] |
Latest revision as of 17:42, 11 August 2022
This page is a draft. Please ignore for now. |
This page is intended to help users select place names that are realistic.
To create a realistic mosaic of place names throughout a country, each name should find a balance somewhere between actual names (e.g. New York) and unbelievable names (e.g. ZbmÜUkñçP). Additionally, for maximum realism, the names should follow some sort of shared pattern.
Here are some tips to help get started:
Naming tips
1. Avoid using well-known place names, real or fictional, past or present. | |||
This is actually an official OGF rule, for several reasons:
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Kenya Paraguay Berlin Shanghai Vancouver Assyria Narnia Mordor |
Kinayu Parsuway Burlicht Shaiheng Van Pelt Syrasia Anniria Murdoon | |
Even if a place is not well-known to you, it may be well-known to millions of people in another part of the world. For example, you may think "Guadalajara" is a unique, exotic name, but to 120 million people in Mexico it's very well-known. |
Guadalajara Tallahassee Düsseldorf |
Guelenajana Tophappan Du Bois | |
Similarly, using the prominent place names of a specific region isn't ideal, either. For example, most people may not know "Kamloops," "Chilliwack," "Nanaimo" or "Kelowna" but to millions of people in British Columbia they are very well-known. The names of smaller towns, such as "Lytton," "Sayward," and "Granisle," may be a better solution. Even if you think a name is pretty obscure, try switching it up a little to be as original as you can. |
Kamloops Chilliwack Nanaimo Kelowna |
Pamooks Wackachia Mononai Kewolla | |
An exception can be made for place names that refer to many different places. For example, names like "Fairview," "San Pedro," "Aliabad" or "Gradina" (and many others) are so widespread, they aren't overly associated with one specific place and it's easy to imagine them being repeated elsewhere. | |||
Avoid referencing real world companies, organizations, and famous people or characters. | State of Nestlé Baberuth Town Harrypotter City |
State of Nésene Ruth Town Potterston City | |
2. Check important names. | |||
There's no need to do this for every name, but for important names, such as your country name and largest cities, Google them to make sure they don't have other well-known meanings that might be strange or unwanted. For example, "Durchfall" might sound like a pleasant name, but that word has a very unpleasant meaning in a major European language. Even in cases where the other meaning of the word isn't unpleasant, the weirdness can still be distracting. Don't name your country "Tempura" or "Myalgia" or "Shakira" for example. Those words already have other well-known meanings that will be distracting for a lot of people. If you're not sure about a name, feel free to ask the OGF community. |
Durchfall Tempura Myalgia Shakira |
Dursvale Terumea Mygania Skanira | |
Similarly, make sure your important names don't sound like something weird. "Dayaria" might seem like a great name for a country until you realize it sounds like "Diarrhea." When in doubt, ask for feedback from friends or the OGF community. If you're not a native English speaker and you want to make sure your important places don't sound odd in English, ask a native English speaker. Or if you're creating a country in a language that's not your own, ask a native speaker of that language. The OGF community speaks lots of languages and will be happy to help. |
Dayaria Kokakola Mik Imaus Ostralia Tattooween |
Darania Koakolana Mik Umasi Ostaria Taturian | |
3. Create patterns. | |||
Many OGF countries lack the patterns which are found so often in the place names of the real world. For maximum realism, create patterns in your place names to help give your country a clear flavor. Names are one of the most important aspects of a map, because they tell so much about what we're looking at. For example: File:NameFlavors.jpg
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Reina Aléjana Newcrown Baie-Rose Falcon City Klaraburg Sankt Beniamin Sint Donald Kawaha Grand-Arbre |
Reina Aléjana Nueva Corona Báhiarosa Ciudad Halcón Ciudad Clara San Benjamín San Donaldo Cáhuaja Árbol Grande | |
Lumu Republic Ba Nehar Säarija Baczeshnyk Rulerton Agâscht Bathville Lútherbergh Gillette |
Lumu Republic Ba Nehar Salmagara Ba Hugamna Narulur Agamanu Ba Munhu Lanu Lahu Galumar | ||
4. Don't be too wacky. | |||
Some names just lack the seriousness of typical place names. True, there are some weird names in real life, but they are few and far between so use them sparingly. Avoid any name that might get you a cease-and-desist letter from the lawyers of Spider-Man, Froot Loops, or anyone else. Remember, joke countries are not permitted in OGF. (Jokes are okay, but they should be subtle and clever, not overwhelming and obvious.) |
Spider-Man Bay Teddybearland Lollypop Island Froot Loop City Pepto-Bismol |
Parker Bay Tedursia Poplolly Island Ringfruit City Rosy Bismouth | |
Make names at least somewhat pronounceable. It's fun to think up really crazy names, but if they are too outrageously impenetrable they may not feel realistic. It's definitely a challenge to create exotic names that still capture a sense of realism. | Z'xzññzzhxz CttctTúr M4jqjkqqk |
Z'syñazhôz Cuttutúr Mykjakik | |
Make sure your pattern of names doesn't come across as a joke. For example, "A'milan" is a fine name on its own, but if it's surrounded by "A'venice" and "A'florence" and "A'rome" it starts to look like a joke country. "Bushville" would be fine on its own, but next to "Clintonville" and "Obamaville" it starts to seem like a pattern referencing US presidents. | A'milan A'venice A'florence A'rome |
A'milan A'navalice A'ifrenze A'remo | |
Bushville Clintonville Obamaville |
Bushville Cantonville Omaville | ||
5. If you're using an Earth language, include some names that tell about your country. | |||
If you're using a familiar Earth language, you can help people understand your country better with a few carefully selected names.
For example, "Cap-Glacier" might tell us this is a cold country, while "Bahía del Sol" sounds much more tropical. "Hurricane Bay" and "Cactus Valley" might tell us different things about the weather. Many plants and animals are restricted to certain latitudes — "Spruce Town" or "Walrus Cove" suggest a very different climate from "Mango Harbor" or "Parakeet Hill." |
File:ThemeNames.jpg |
Have fun and ask questions
Happy naming! If you have questions or comments, or are looking for more specific advice, feel free to share on the talk page here or make a post on the forum. Lots of people in the OGF community would be more than happy to help you with names.
Be sure to also check out Help:Resources for names, which is particularly useful if you want to generate thousands of street names, village names, etc.