Forum:Franqueterre/Drapeau national et armoiries - National flag and coat of arms

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Le drapeau national de la Franqueterre doit être facilement reconnaissable, comme l'est le drapeau français dans le monde réel. La sélection des couleurs, le style et le rapport de taille peuvent être conçus en fonction des préférences de chacun. Les seules règles sont les suivantes : Ne reproduire en aucun cas le drapeau français sous quelque forme que ce soit ou les drapeaux des subdivisions françaises (par exemple, Occitanie, Bretagne, Normandie, etc.). En bref, soyez original et créatif. Ne rendez pas le drapeau trop complexe. Un bon exemple de drapeau complexe mais élégant est celui du Castellan. Les drapeaux trop simples sont également les bienvenus. OGF a étonnamment peu de drapeaux simples par rapport au monde réel. Un bon exemple de drapeau simple mais impressionnant est celui de la Plevie.	The national flag of Franqueterre should be easily recognizable, similar to how the French flag is in the real world. The color selection, style, and size ratio can be designed according to everyone's preferences. The only rules are: Do not, under any circumstances, replicate the French flag in any form or the flags of French subdivisions (e.g., Occitania, Brittany, Normandy, etc.). In short, be original and creative. Do not make the flag overly complex. A good example of a complex yet elegant flag is the flag of Castellan. Overly simple flags are also very welcome. OGF has surprisingly few simple flags compared to the real world. A good example of a simple yet stunning flag is that of Plevia.

Propositions de drapeau / Flag proposals


Veuillez ajouter vos motifs de drapeau à la fin du tableau, ajouter la signification du motif (facultatif) et assurez-vous de signer votre nom. Le meilleur design sera sélectionné via un vote.	Please add your flag designs to the end of the table, add the design meaning (optional), and make sure to sign your name. The best design will be select via a vote.

Id.	Description / Description	Auteur / Author
1	"Simple" flag design reminiscent of the older european flags.	Davieerr
2	"Simple" flag design reminiscent of the "Roman" Empire simbols and colors.	Davieerr
3	Simplistic flag. St. Andrew's cross, using green as a different color to the standard colors of France.	Bixelkoven
4	Flag depicting a variation of a Celtic cross, alluding to the potential Celtic heritage. Can also be a depiction of some new denomination instead of Celtic.	Bixelkoven
5	Very simple flag, simplification of a potential more complex medieval flag (in the same fashion as Poland and Monaco, for example). Experimenting with a different tincture than usual.	Bixelkoven
6	A tricolor featuring user Bixelkoven's coat of arms in the center. The colors were taken from user Varnel maiser's flag of Cabelia, but the blue stripes were adjusted to be the same color as the field of the CoA. A version without the CoA could be more common outside of a formal setting.	IiEarth
7	Same as above, but this time the field is adjusted to match the blue used in the stripes.	IiEarth

Propositions d'armoiries / Coat of arms proposals


Veuillez ajouter vos motifs d'armoiries au bout du tableau, ajouter la signification du motif (facultatif) et assurez-vous de signer votre nom. Le meilleur design sera sélectionné via un vote.	Please add your flag designs to the end of the table, add the design meaning (optional), and make sure to sign your name. The best design will be select via a vote.

Armoiries / Coat of arms	Description / Description	Auteur / Author
	Heraldic coat of arms (does not allude that the country is a monarchy, but can be). The white eagle is imagined to be the main symbol of the entire country. The lesser coat of arms in the center is supposed to represent the various areas of the country with the largest one (with the castle, waterfall and the dove) representing the capital area. The coat of arms on the bottom has no defined meaning, but given that it is similar to the main part, only mirrored and with fewer details, it could represent some folklore image of a 'weaker Franqueterre' from the past.	Bixelkoven
	The variation without all the lesser coat of arms from the previous submission.	Bixelkoven

Discussion / Discussion


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English

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Coat of arms

Bixelkoven, I do like your proposals for the national coat of arms and its backstory. My main "concern" regards the rather rare use of eagles in French heraldry, compared to, let's say lions (same is true for English heraldry) and, the use of additional smaller shields. It seems using partitions of the main shield was more common. Otherwise, it looks all neat 👍. --Aiki (talk) 12:32, 16 September 2024 (UTC)

You are right when it comes to the lion, I haven't noticed the lack of eagles in French heraldry until you mentioned it (I only know the coat of arms of Nice has one, from memory). Though, is it bad to experiment and have a different approach to that of the real world? Also personally I prefer an eagle over a lion :P. As for the lesser sheilds, I was contemplating removing the one on the bottom, maybe even the other ones above the central shield. That is, if the coat of arms includes the lesser shield. The coat of arms is a complex item so we can think this through. We can even derive a flag from the coat of arms, like most modern flags came to be. Also, I am glad you like it. :) ⸺ Bixelkoven (talk) (West Uletha Admin) 16:32, 16 September 2024 (UTC)

Wanted to mention that we can also experiment with other animals, not just an eagle or a lion. ⸺ Bixelkoven (talk) (West Uletha Admin) 16:36, 16 September 2024 (UTC)

Eagles did become fashionable during Napoleon's Empire. https://wappenwiki.org/index.php/Empire_of_the_French

This is an imperial symbol though and makes sense after destroying the HRE and therefore taking Imperial status. It would make sense if there's a similar historical background.

This might give some inspiration for other common animals: https://wappenwiki.org/index.php/Francia -- 22:42, 17 September 2024 unsigned by Imperator.

@Bixelkoven, eagles are indeed much rarer in Western Europe compared to Central Europe. Nice was a dependency of the Dukes of Savoy and became French only in 1860. I don't know much about Italian Heraldry or if the Emperor had something to do with this eagle (at some point, the HRE ceased to nominally control northern Italy but Trieste area). That being said, I suppose we can have the silver eagle on a blue field in a major position on the shield (e.g. if parted quarterly like the UK, top left and bottom right like England or as an inescutcheon - over all in the middle). This can be the symbol of the reigning/former dynasty, a prestigious predecessor state or a important region/part of the country). I do like the bridge-like fortress, but, heraldry being rather strict on the use of neighbouring colours, the water should be white (example 1) or white and blue if you keep the field blue.

I would just advise against having a single eagle as supporter (like Austria, Serbia, Prussia, Russia...).

@Imperator, the use of the aigle romaine (roman eagle with lightnings) by Napoleon is to be seen more as the part of the general taste for anything roman during those decades (Neoclassical architecture, three consuls, Napoleon's coronation with a laurel wreath) than with the Holy Roman Empire. Except coats of arms of members of the noblesse d'empire (Napoleonic nobility), all the others (e.g. cities) reverted to their previous version.
--Aiki (talk) 11:22, 18 September 2024 (UTC)

@Aiki , you're right, the fall of the HRE actually takes place two years later. But wasn't Napoleon also strongly influenced by Charlemagne, I do remember reading that.

Flags

Bixelkoven, your fifth proposal is quite fitting as the shade you used is close to bleu de France.--Aiki (talk) 11:22, 18 September 2024 (UTC)