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Territory ID and proposed name
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UL23c∈⊾ƨ - Confederation of North-east uletha

Physical geography
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The northern part of this region is characterized by cold polar permafrost. The north-central area consists of coniferous forest mountains. One mountain range extends from the northwest to the southeast, reaching the southeastern corner of the Republic of Kadah, while another range stretches southwestward from near Kadah’s northern border. The central region is dominated by forests and mountains, and the southern part contains multiple small coastal plains surrounded by hills.

https://ibb.co/FNXrNgJ Here is a simple schematic diagram showing the general orientation of the mountain ranges (in red) and the small plains (in green).

The climate distribution in this region is highly uneven. In the north, the eastern side of the mountains is affected by cold air currents moving from north to south, making it extremely cold and leaving very few areas suitable for habitation. The western side of the mountains is relatively more favorable. In the central region, due to the barrier effect of the mountain ranges and the influence of the deep interior, the climate is relatively dry and cold. In the south-central area, there is a transitional zone where coniferous and broadleaf forests intersect. The southern region is warmer and has an oceanic climate.

（By “central region” here, I mean the area at the same latitude as Kadah, while the “southern region” refers to the coastal areas. The “northern region” covers a vast area, with everything north of Kadah’s northern border considered part of the northern region.）

{territory application human geography}} The total population of the region is approximately 7 million to 7.5 million, with over 90% residing in the central and southern areas. Cities are mainly concentrated at the southernmost tip, the south-central area, and the southern coastal region. Agriculture and fisheries form the primary economic activities in the south, whereas forestry and livestock farming dominate the central region. The northern region still contains vast expanses of undeveloped land. Mineral resources such as coal, nickel, aluminum, and gold have been identified through surveys, but geographic and climatic constraints have prevented their effective development.

Traffic density gradually decreases from the south through the south-central area toward the central region. The southern region boasts a dense road network. Roads in the south-central area primarily radiate outward from the capital (notably, to maintain multi-ethnic balance, the national capital was intentionally located along a major north-south transport corridor in the south-central region). Transport routes in the central region originate from the capital, connecting provincial capitals and other key hubs as they wind through the mountains.

Heading north from the north-central region, the far northern areas have virtually no motorable roads, making transport extremely difficult. Only a single highway connects provincial capital to provincial capital in this area, but it faces frequent closures due to harsh geographic and climatic conditions. Consequently, the provincial capital relies mainly on its airport for trade and freight transport with the southern region.

(Note: The "central region" mentioned here refers to the area lying along the same latitude as Kadah; the "northern region" covers a vast area comprising all territories north of Kadah's northern border.)

Additionally, the living standards here are low, falling below the Ulethan average (roughly on par with Romania or Serbia). Many areas still harbor ruins left in the wake of past civil wars.

History & culture
A brief description of the intended culture and language

This region is primarily divided into three ethnic groups (all belonging to the same language family as Kadah, yet possessing distinct cultures):

  • Qebabian (Northern Region): They speak the Qebabian language, with a culture resembling that of the Chukchi and Itelmens (Kamchatkans).
  • Pelokhasian (Central Region): They speak the Pelokhas language, with a culture similar to that of the Manchus and Evenks.
  • Hijelarian (Southern Region): Although they speak a language akin to the Barga Mongol dialect, their culture resembles a Northeast Asian version of Greek city-states (bearing no cultural similarities to Japan or Korea, though they have long held a leading level of cultural advancement within the entire Tustaya language family).

Historically, the Hijelarians were the first to appear in written records. They took the lead in establishing independent city-states within the small, fragmented valleys of the south, actively engaging in external contact, trade, and the founding of small colonies. Initially, they practiced their indigenous religion, with each city-state worshipping its own local deity. Later, following the arrival of Finns in the surrounding areas, a segment of the population converted to Christianity under Finnish influence, while others developed a distinct form of Christianity incorporated with Hijelar rituals.

The Pelokhasians, meanwhile, were historically the main northern adversary of the Hijelarians—two groups that harbored mutual hostility while exploiting each other for advantage. The Pelokhasians were traditionally governed and organized by individual tribes. However, as the Hijelarians increasingly threatened the forests vital to their survival, the tribes began to unite, periodically electing a Sayan to represent and govern all Pelokhasian tribes.

Between the late 14th and early 15th centuries, Khan Yej of Kadah exploited the internal strife of both ethnic groups to defeat them one by one, aiming to occupy the entire region. However, Khan Yej's high-handed policies prevented any genuine submission to the Kadah Khanate, prompting both groups to revolt shortly after his death. Following this, Western colonists arrived and defeated these loose confederations of city-states and tribes. Driven by the exploration of mineral resources, the colonists subsequently incorporated the Qebabian territories into their domain, giving rise to the present-day boundaries of Ul23c.

Inspired by Kadah's successful unification and independence in 1847, this region managed to restore its own independence in 1856 with the support of Kadah and other neighboring nations. However, deep-seated ethnic conflicts prevented true unification, leading to three civil wars throughout the 19th and 20th centuries, almost all of which involved intervention by Kadah and neighboring states. Today, although the Pelokhasians control the military while the Hijelarians manage the civil bureaucracy—with the positions of prime minister and president split between officials elected by each group—the apparent reconciliation remains fragile, as the scars of civil war continue to endure across the land.

Past mapping
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I've found a friend who is willing to map UL23c with me. Moving forward, we plan to recruit more people to join the project and invite neighboring creators as well (after all, the southwestern part of this area will definitely have Finnic cultural influences).

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Discussion
Discussion for clarification & decision

Hello Stolas, thank you for your application and apologies for the delay. I think the application is well thought-out and fits the theme of the area. I have some contentual and some formal issues I would like to raise though:

  • It's unclear to me whether you are applying to open a collaborative territory or for a second private territory. If the former is the case, then I'd ask you to get the other collaborators on board with the application, ideally three mappers in total or two mappers if both have a history of mapping on OGF. If you are applying for a private territory, I'm not sure if you meet the requirements just yet: OpenGeofiction:Territory_application#Rules_for_upsizing_and_requesting_additional_territories_2.
  • could you please explain the language(s) intended to be used in terms of real-world languages or, if applicable, conlangs?
  • could you please also include a sketch of human geography, namely major settlements and inter-city infrastructure

Best, Leowezy (talk) 08:15, 22 September 2026 (UTC)

Hello, Leowezy. Thank you for your reply.

  • Regarding the UL23C area, my plan is to make it an open collaborative zone where my neighbors and anyone interested in the area are welcome to participate in mapping. I will create a group to coordinate this effort. The confirmed participants so far are myself, 114514aaa, and deep river，izaland，GreenStumpyMonster(guest mapper)，TheCubic，Parrotman.
  • Official Language: Hijelarian (the majority language), a variant of the Barga dialect of Mongolian—spoken mainly in northeastern Inner Mongolia, China. (Hijelarian) Key phonological and lexical features include added kh and ü syllables, an influx of Manchu loanwords, and a weakened k sound. Central Region: Co-official status for Hijelarian and Pelokhas (a Manchu variant characterized by an increased frequency of k-prefix and k-suffix vocabulary). Toponyms in this region will follow the bilingual format: Hijelarian/Pelokhasian. Northern Region (Qebabian Territories): Toponyms will use the format: Hijelarian/Qebabian. The Qebabian language derives from Chukchi, enriched with Manchu vocabulary and featuring a strengthened k sound.
  • https://ibb.co/vxGNwDyr Regarding the human geography, my previous explanation might not have been fully clear, so here is a rough sketch of the plan. The red circles represent major urban agglomerations, densely populated areas, or regional hubs of human activity. The capital city is located in the central region, situated at a mountain pass within a transition zone of fragmented hills and ranges. It backs onto high mountains to the north and directly faces a mixed landscape of plains and hills to the south. (The capital's final name is still being discussed with the team, but its working title is currently Barkharak, meaning "City on the Mountain Pass"). The black lines mark the primary transport routes. Except for the coastal roads that receive year-round maintenance, it’s hard to say if the rest get regular upkeeping—in fact, roads in many areas receive virtually no maintenance at all. As for railways, apart from the capital and coastal regions, almost no other areas have railway coverage. Furthermore, due to the lingering scars of the civil war, many regions have not seen railway service restored since it was disrupted 40 years ago. Railway operations across most of the country are in a terrible state, and electrification remains a distant dream (with the sole exceptions being the capital and the coastal border areas). Stolas123 (talk) 11:56, 22 September 2026 (UTC)
  • https://ibb.co/Gh8DFwy This is the result of the discussion between my neighbor Kaarti and me,other members also accepted the proposal. There are approximately 200,000 Karelians in total in this region, with 50,000 in the Kaarti Republic and 150,000 in the UL23C region. The area outlined in black represents the main concentration of Karelians (the red-shaded area indicates a mixed population of Karelians and Hijelarians who adhere to the Christian denomination). In the capital of UL23C (tentatively named Barkharak), there is a permanent Karelian population of around 6,000.
  • The official language of the region remains dominated by Hijelarian (the variant Barga dialect of Mongolian), but all place names are bilingual,
  • Hstorically, these Karelians migrated here alongside the Kaarti, later gradually moving southeast. The Hijelarians often relied on them to resist Pelokhasian raids, and it was through the Karelians that Christianity was later introduced to the Hijelarians. During the Middle Ages, most of them submitted to the various kingdoms established by the Hijelarians as well as the Kaarti Kingdom, while a small group in the north remained independent. This northern group frequently participated in the election of the Sayan (the leader of the tribal alliance) and the grand assemblies led by the Sayan, which were organized by the Pelokhasians. Later, with the collapse of the colonial system, their common enemy disappeared, and inter-ethnic civil war broke out. Throughout the civil war, the Karelians attempted to remain neutral and tried their best to preserve peace in the region. However, both the Hijelarians and Pelokhasians tried hard to win them over while simultaneously fearing that they might side with the Kaarti. Consequently, the Karelians split into two factions—one supporting the Pelokhasians and the other supporting the Hijelarians—leading to ongoing internal conflict. As a result, large numbers of Karelians fled their homeland for Kaarti. Following the end of the war, some Karelians returned to their ancestral lands, where they remain to this day. Stolas123 (talk) 01:19, 26 September 2026 (UTC)

Please be sure that all the users properly sign the relevant section with four tildes. If they do not have a wiki account then that is simple to rectify. /wangi (talk) 12:16, 22 September 2026 (UTC)

Ok

Stolas123 (talk) 12:23, 22 September 2026 (UTC)

Hello everyone, thanks again for your work. Please further clarify this last point for me: On OGF, we differentiate between community collabs (blue territories) and private collabs (purple territories). Community collabs can be joined by any mapper and there simply is a coordinator who coordinates the mapping among everyone involved. Private collabs have multiple owners and new mappers willing to participate have to be accepted by those who are already a member. Above you speak of an "open collaborative zone where my neighbors and anyone interested in the area are welcome to participate in mapping". Am I right in assuming you are therefore applying to create a blue territory? Please confirm. Also, if that is the case, I would ask you and the other collaborators to get a Collab-page in the "Collab:" namespace up and running that future members can reference if they would like to join the project (compare the other clue territories for reference). Thanks, Leowezy (talk) 14:14, 26 September 2026 (UTC)

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