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AR120-52 Mishota

Exchange for Oakley (no stepping out I want this)

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Majority of the state would be fields with very little woodland even in the south. The south would have more forest to scale from the rest of the state but it would still have many gaps in it. The current mapping there gives an idea to how it would look.

Many rivers would flow to the west into the unnamed river. Some water around Eriksburg would flow directly to Lake Leighton via Zakahigan though.

The Gaudette Lakes are in a place that does not make a lot of sense in terms of geology so they would be moved south.

Temperatures would be similar to Indiana or Illinois.

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The entire state's population could be around 2.9 million with a GDP of almost $200 billion.

Unlike Indiana the population will be spread across many smaller cities instead of one huge one. Most people would also be on the edges of the state

Eriksburg, the largest city with 500k people, would have lots of manufacturing and also be a hub for exporting goods to the rest of the state.

The second largest city with 100k people would be Springifeld with not too much to note about it other than it being an agricultural center for the area with a large cargo station to export most things.

The third largest city and also capital of the state Virestrom would have only 80k people. It would have been a historical city for the state and in general it's one of the richest cities in the state with most jobs there being office or management related. A few good sized brands may take headquarters there.

Most industries in the state would be agriculture, manufacturing, or oil mining. There are, of course, other industries but they are not nearly as prominent as those three.

Mishota would closely follow the administrative hierarchy of Michigan with Counties, Townships, Cities, and Villages (cities are separate from townships with villages are not). Townships would also be 36 square miles.

Most likely the state has had a slow in growth if not a complete halt over the past 30-40 years as most people leave for better job opportunities in places like Lake City or Wallawaukee.

The state would lack almost any form of city or port on Lake Seneppi relying mostly on rail for most things because of horrible road conditions.

A simple sketch of Mishota can be found here

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Based on the states around it there would most likely be many subgroups of Ojibwe originally in the state. The name “Mishota” could have an unknown origin as it sounds plausible to have roots in an Ojibwe language/sublanguage.

Historically the region could have undergone Vallonese occupation in the past influencing place names to have their origins in French. It would have been admitted to the union in 1815 (open to change) and have been occupied mostly through freight railways, still very present in the state. PLSS surveys would have taken place making the rural areas look similar to what you’d see in the midwestern US, especially the states of Illinois and Indiana.

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Places made for the application:

Howind

Gonwild (though older still somewhat holds up to the theme if I just remove some forests)

Unnamed Township (I plan to finish this over the duration of the application instead of waiting to apply once completing it due to it being more rural mapping with an even smaller town)

Places I made in Oakley:

Ancaster and Siveroak

Miaconda

An Unnamed Village

Howwe (New Bridge was made by what with small additions I made)

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MiniMapper (talk) 23:11, 29 January 2025 (UTC)

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As said above this is an exchange for Oakley and I cant state enough that I wont step out of this (I hate myself for doing that). If you want to you can impose some sort of restriction for me to not exchange again if your worried I just want to be in a familiar theme instead of being part of three things in a theme that I have never seen in my life. I am still part of NC and Eustacia so i am not just leaving the East Coast as a whole. MiniMapper (talk) 23:11, 29 January 2025 (UTC)

• Hello, a few questions as prospective neighbor.

• Just to understand, are you certain there would be a complete lack of woodlands? I would imagine the bluffs along the Akogama and other intermittent wooded areas would still have heavily wooded areas. Now, if you're suggesting that the situation would be no woodlands as a source of industry (e.g. no lumber), then that makes sense.
• For clarification, how big would the metropolitan areas be for these cities? The numbers you mention are for the cities themselves (both of which are reasonable). Eriksburg could easily encroach up to one million with that population base, and it would historically fit well, for example.
• There are a few regional considerations, too. Ideally, Springfield would be somewhere near the three-state confluence (where the Akogama converges with the IR–IL border river). The proposed location is incredibly close to Armot and wouldn't be well-spaced with surrounding cities of notable size. It would be nice to see the FS-2 corridor (roughly) retain its historical importance as a major overland road, then railroad, then major paved road, then motorway.
• Relatedly, you may wish to consider working with Tybear (or have a regional discussion) about possibly having a straightforward 10/20 concurrency to minimize impact. The tolled highway is a needless legacy matter.
• I am glad you're willing to incorporate the existing mapping in Shreevesport and Nordseehaven (potentially tweaking its name?). That said, I do think it unlikely that there would be no port in Shreevesport at the mouth of the Akogama. Consider smaller infrastructure that still has minor industrial use like Sandusky, Ohio or potentially as large as Ashtabula, OH.
• Your rough statements about hydrology are generally fine (the Gaudette Lakes make no sense at all in that state), but a few quick points. The far northeast corner probably drains into Mennowa; we can work out with Tybear if there is something to do with the Mississaukee River originating in your state, flowing east into ZH, and then flowing north at Cathammer into Mennowa. Regardless, a few notable reeks flow from your state to the north in that area. Please also carefully consider how the prominent Neeseehoho River flows south from Tennewa into the state.
• Likewise, the rest of the hydrology in the present state will need reimagining. Don't be afraid (in fact, be encouraged) to scrap it all together apart from established things at or along borders. For example, I could see a scenario where the river at Eriksburg actually flows north instead of east or south. Creating a break in watersheds across the southern part of the state and into west-central ZH may be a great way to account for Tybear's extant wooded nature preserve, the meandering routing of FS-71, the lack of development you're proposing (and ZH seems to reinforce). It also might be easier, since Tybear's current hydrology near Maquadena is very compact—part of what makes that port location clear of silt and other river debris. I would strongly consider talking it out and throwing out the majority of what is there. The glaciated lakes in the southern part of the state really only make sense if there is a ridge line (do not read that as mountains, but rather as simply a high point between watersheds) in this location. If you do want things flowing south through the central part of the state, then the glaciated lakes will have to go. We can relocate those to -56 or -57 with ease.

I hope all that makes sense. Let me know if you have any questions about what I'm asking. — Alessa _(talk) 01:19, 6 February 2025 (UTC)