Forum:Territory application/TA026c - Ta Seti

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	Territory ID and proposed name
	The Territory ID (from OpenGeofiction:Territories, e.g. AR123a) and proposed name of the country

TA026c - Ta Seti

	Physical geography
	An overview of climate, topography and landscape of the country. It is advised to also create a sketch, you can add a link to this (hosted on imgur or similar)

Most of the Ta Seti's territory contains scrubland and desert as currently is. It is expected that there is a medium elevation (not higher than 3000 meters), which is found in the intermediate zones and in the most distant zones of the expected country. It is planned to largely follow the existing geography, with major changes to ensure credibility and better quality. Feel free to watch our proposal for the river network in northern Tarephia here.

	Human geography
	A brief description of the territory demographics, economic development, land occupation, infrastructure and mapping style

Details about the human geography of Ta Seti are as follows:

• Territory demographics. The coastal areas are expected to be more densely populated, with the area near the capital (which will be located in the area where Haez is) with the largest population. The areas that are located further from the coast have a relatively smaller population and, of this group, it is concentrated near the river that flows towards the capital (https://opengeofiction.net/relation/330181).
• Economic development. Historically, Ta Seti's economy is based on agriculture, livestock and the exchange of goods (trade); furthermore, in contrast to Ancient Egypt, there is an important fishing activity that takes place between the territories requested for the expected country. The country's infrastructure is relatively archaic and the most modern elements are only used on the coasts and more populated areas.
• Land occupation. As presented in the previous section, most of the territory will be covered with desert and semi-arid areas. The remaining territory will present a variety of landuses and ecosystems, until reaching more fertile areas on the coast (slightly suitable for more consistent agriculture).
• Infrastructure and mapping style. Ta Seti is expected to be similar to a modern version of Ancient Egypt, with minor elements coming from Mediterranean areas of the Middle East and Greece. The pyramids (mostly mausoleums/burial monuments) and characteristic Ancient Egyptian temples are expected to be well-present and preserved, as they would not have been abandoned or neglected.

	History & culture
	A brief description of the intended culture and language

The language used is mostly a latinization of ancient Egyptian based on Budge's dictionary of 1920, with some added Punic and Greek vocabulary added whenever vocabulary in AE is non-existant. Also a genitive form was added for facility in name creation. It is expected to base the predominant culture of the territory on Ancient Egypt, with certain elements obtained from classical Greek and Punic; consequently, they are expected to have a similar historical chronology but altered to allow for the prevalence of the culture.

	Past mapping
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From Mapping Expert and Imperator:

• State of Costa Dorada, Federal States
• Former state of Trinity Island, Federal States (currently named Hyde, some minor changes were made by the new owner)
• Lentië mountain range
• Hertogswilt, Lentië
• Egyptian-styled settlement (Sirrhae)
• Imperium, the most important project of the Arhet community and a milestone in our mapping careers
  • Magium (Magonia), the capital and largest city of Imperium
  • Hypogeum (Necropolis), located near the Imperial City of Magium
  • Mountain ranges in eastern Imperium (between Ecphoraea and Gargaphia)
  • Vastia and Siccum deserts in southern Imperium (from Partagia to Atrocaea)
• Tiudunhaim, a project in the Arhet community inspired by the many duchies that existed in modern Germany
• Southwestern Aretia, a region fundamentally related to Imperium, including countries like Mandagora, Arpitania, Ecija, Tizona and Hircania, among others
• Natural mapping of Western Aretia, the main continent in the Arhet community

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Mapping Expert (talk) 18:37, 4 December 2022 (UTC)

	Discussion
	Discussion for clarification & decision

Just a minor note. As you probably know, TA031 (Sirrhae) is already Imperator's territory (previously known as Moskva), so our request is for an expansion, as stated in the title. If you have any additional questions, let us know. Mapping Expert (talk) 18:42, 4 December 2022 (UTC)

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Hi,

While I can understand your plans are both ambitious and expansive, it seems overzealous to immediately then request for 5 territories to be merged; especially considering your pre-existing projects in mapping -- while Imperium's scale makes it hard to comment; Costa Dorada appears to be of a similar mapping style; an exciting focus on large-scale mapping with very little focus on detail. For this reason, I'm incredibly hesitant to provide an additional 4 territories to the both of you -- especially while there is already a territory which you are mapping in. Additionally, I raise my eyebrows at the "modern Egyptian" style inspirations you provided, and hope the Bolas horns from Amonkhet won't make an entrance on OGF... but I do applaud the overall ideas outlined, as for using a language based on ancient Egyptian, and making use of the overall outline of ancient Egyptian cities... but perhaps leave sphinxes, pyramids and generally the Egyptian pantheon out, except as forlorn monuments, as in modern Egypt.

Given the above, I not convinced there's any need to grant this request - I think what's being done in TA031 is a good start, but expanding the territory at this stage seems hasty and unnecessary. Much rather would I see the territory slowly grow over time, as the space is being filled with quality mapping. I'll mark Mapping Expert as a co-mapper in TA031. Taka (talk) 11:29, 8 December 2022 (UTC)

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Hi Taka,

First of all, I want to thank you for taking your time to read our expansion request despite the delay for personal reasons, which I understand. However, I would like to make a few comments about your feedback on the application:

• I contemplated your concern about the number of territories requested. In fact, we were thinking of refocusing our request (as discussed on Discord) to TA026c and perhaps a slight expansion into other nearby territories. In any case, our decisions were based on the exponential development of the initiative, which was seen with good eyes by the OGF community.
• I differ with your point of view on the detail of our previous and current territories. We both believe that while there are some shortcomings, the work we have shown is quite detailed on different levels. The center of Magium is our best example of small-scale mapping, while the mountains and deserts of Imperium are the opposite example. Also, most of the examples of small-level detail within the OGF community are focused on certain areas, and not widely spread; however, the detail with which we have treated Costa Dorada, for example, is quite visible within OGF.
• As I mentioned in the application, the examples give an idea of what the mapping could look like within the territory. Something like the one-off example you mention would not be mapped as such, but rather used as inspiration for what would have happened in a modern Ancient Egyptian setting. That said, I also differ in your opinion that the monuments and infrastructure that we propose (sphinxes, pyramids, Egyptian pantheon, mausoleums...) should be abandoned, to resemble modern Egypt.
  • Our expected project is focused on ANCIENT Egypt, not the contemporary version of the country we all know.It is important to remember that the transformation from Ancient Egypt to its contemporary version was strongly influenced by foreign interference (Greece, Rome, the Arabs, the Ottomans, the United Kingdom...), basically due to invasions, conquests, and colonization. Without these interferences, which were mostly focused on eradicating the previous culture, something like what we propose would be possible even in real life, in most of the world. There are efforts (especially in the neighboring continent, Antarephia) to preserve the culture and architecture of native and ancient peoples through mapping, with similar ideas to what we propose. So something like Ancient Egypt existing in a pretty similar way to how it used to be (probably with Greek or Roman influences) is plausible within OGF, and doesn't necessarily have to be in the form of abandoned infrastructure.
• Finally, I want to know your opinions about an eventual migration to TA026c and I appreciate that you have marked me as a co-mapper of TA031. However, I hope you will also take the time to read my comments.

Thanking you for your time and wishing you happy mapping! --Mapping Expert (talk) 17:32, 8 December 2022 (UTC)