Forum:Global and regional issues/Discussion and vote: Name of West Uletha's mediterranean sea
Fellow mappers, I have forked the discussion of the name of the sea from its origination point to resolve this issue more directly. The discussion was brief, but there was a liking of the suggestion "Mesembric Sea" by Aiki. At the same time, I want to ensure that discussion has been sufficient and that users on the sea have a vote in the matter. — Alessa (talk) 02:13, 5 July 2024 (UTC)
Mare and Imperium are neuter in Latin, you would have Mare Nostrum and Imperium Nostrum (for nominative). For the sea, I would suggest using a stem that relates to its southern location when looked from Osianopoli (Osianople in Ingerish?), either as such or alludes to it: something based on the notion of light/bright, red/white or warmth as some languages do. What about Mesembric Sea based on μεσημβρία/mesembría (Ancient Greek for midday or south while Modern Greek uses νότος/nόtos for south)? You would have Mar Mesémbrico, Mare Mesembrico or Mer Mésembrique in some of the languages now bordering that sea. --Aiki (talk) 18:56, 24 March 2024 (UTC)
- I've always wanted to change the name of the Mediterranean Sea on OGF, so I am very happy to see this finally being discussed. The Mesembric Sea is a nice name I think. Seeing as there likely aren't any Greek-speaking territories bordering the sea, where would the Ancient Greek name have come from? Hellanesian/Eganian settlers predating the OGF:Roman Empire? --Timboh (talk) 19:38, 24 March 2024 (UTC)
- Concerning Aiki's suggestion and Timboh's reponse: If Latin is preferred, Meridian Sea can be used instead with the same meaning. Imperator (talk) 22:55, 24 March 2024 (UTC)
- I really like Mesembric Sea as a name option. We could have it so Ancient Greeks were quite influential and a scholarly source of information in ancient times and explain why their naming preference of things took precedence? --Arlo (talk) 00:12, 25 March 2024 (UTC)
- I suggested mesembric because the word is way, way rarer than meridian in modern languages (e.g. in English Google: 39 vs. 289,000,000 results). I found only a handful of examples (sometimes as mesambric with an "a") in English and Romanian (μεσημβρίκη doesn't seem to be used in Greek) as an adjective for something related to Ancient Mesembria (now Nessebar, Bulgaria). It seemed to be of very uncommon use. As Alessa indicated, it may be useful to hold this convo on Names of seas forum page or a dedicated entry.--Aiki (talk) 11:40, 2 April 2024 (UTC)
- Concerning Aiki's suggestion and Timboh's reponse: If Latin is preferred, Meridian Sea can be used instead with the same meaning. Imperator (talk) 22:55, 24 March 2024 (UTC)
As admin, I am simply going to state that if there is enough desire on this particular issue, I will gladly fork this conversation into its own separate forum entry. There, we can discuss greater detail about the naming (including other languages for those that may wish to use a different nomenclature) and hold an official vote to make a new name canon. — Alessa (talk) 02:31, 25 March 2024 (UTC)
Discussion
I want to give another week or so for discussion and input of other name options. As it stands right now, the only option to vote on is "Mesembric Sea" or no change. Are there people still in favor of this option? Should discussion become particularly active, the discussion time may be extended. Ideally, I would like to have this voted on by the end of the month at the latest.
Additionally, if you are aware of a territory owner on the sea itself, please let them know of this discussion. Any vote that does happen will require a strong majority of territory owners and collab coordinators whose territories border the sea to participate in order for it to be official. They will not all have to agree on an option, but participation is necessary. — Alessa (talk) 02:13, 5 July 2024 (UTC)
I vote Mesembric Sea
Imperator (talk) 04:22, 8 July 2024 (UTC)
- I would like to suggest antilios ("reflected sunlight") or its derivatives as another option for the sea; it's what all viewers on the sea would see on the water at noon. Chazeltine (talk) 05:30, 8 July 2024 (UTC)
I propose the addition of Erithrian/Eritrian Sea from the word for 'red' in Greek, Erythra, or the Porfirian Sea from the classical greek word for 'red', Porphyro, both come from the fact that in classical greece, there is no mention of blue as a color. I would more strongly side with Pofirian, or a variation of it, since the Red Sea was called the Erithryan Sea during hellenistic greece, so I don't see why use a real world name.
We could also avoid greek words and go for Etruscan words, the root word for water in Etruscan (correct me if i'm wrong), is TSI and the wod for water was THI, so maybe a junction of Etruscan words would work, since the Tyrrhenian Sea uses Etruscan and still survives, I would suggest then Titrulilur (Sea+Thunder+Bright Stars) which in modern english would be something like Triulian Sea.
Or. we could avoid using old words and use something like Cavus+Mare+Nean -> Cavimarinian Sea (Sea with the appereance of a hole, in the middle of the land).
Erithrian Sea (Red Sea)
Porfirian Sea (Red Sea)
Triulian Sea (Bright Thunderous Sea)
Cavimarinian Sea (Hole-like Sea)
My favorite has to be Cavimarinian Sea, I would suggest that one. Davieerr (talk) 17:17, 9 July 2024 (UTC)
I would suggest the name Pelagesian Sea (alternatively: Pelagian Sea), derived from Hellanesian (Ancient Greek) πέλᾰγος (pélagos, "sea, smaller sea"). From the perspective of the early Hellanesian explorers, this sea would be smaller than the Asperic and Hesperic Ocean they had already known, hence not using okeanós (“ocean”) or thálassa (“larger sea”). Other cultures (or at least, English language) could later just take the name derived from Hellanesian common noun, similar to Lake Chad in real life, where name Chad comes from Kanuri tsade ("lake"). Ante44 (talk) 13:29, 10 July 2024 (UTC)
- I really like this option - in particular the Pelagian variant. --User:Lithium-Ion | [1] (talk) 16:42, 10 July 2024 (UTC)
- We could call it just "The Pelagos" to avoid the redundancy of "the Sea of the Sea." Chazeltine (talk) 19:32, 13 July 2024 (UTC)
Thank you, everyone. We have quite a few nice options to consider and vote on. I have set up the vote below. Since we have seven options for the sea name and one additional etymology, we will attempt to approach this with two rounds of voting if needed. The detailed explanations will be below. — Alessa (talk) 13:53, 13 July 2024 (UTC)
I don't know why I don't really like Mesembric Sea tbh. It sounds or looks too close to membrane for me, and it just doesn't fit to be a nice name. I understand it's rare and perhaps unique, but I rather not go for unique for unique sake.--Zhenkang (talk) 09:08, 15 July 2024 (UTC)
Voting
In the first round of voting, two options were clear favorites of the community: Mesembric Sea and Pelagian Sea. We now move to a run-off voting. The one with the most votes will be selected.
In the second and final round of voting, the community selected Mesembric Sea.