Collab talk:Federal States/International relations

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Cities to consulates, etc

Hey, friends! I disagree we need a list where FSA state owners offers their own main cities to some country owner create consulates. Basically, it will repeat the list above only excluding Huntington and the embassies. I think we can delete this section. -- BMSOUZA (talk) 13:42, 15 August 2019 (CEST)

Still talking about it but not editing my first thougts, in that list of embassies/ consulates/etc in real USA, during a fast first shot, I found a lot of embassies of El Salvador and Guatemala, and in cities "not the major ones", like Elizabeth-NJ, Lake Worth-FL, and even Mayaguez (Puerto Rico) got a diplomatic mission from Dominican Republic, considering San Juan is the main place of Puerto Rico. Brasil got missions in New York, Hartford (why??? hahaha) and Boston, places not so far one from each other, and also two missions in California (Los Angeles and San Francisco). What do I mean mentioning these examples? All country owners can ask for an embassy in the city he think could make sense, we dont need to create a list of cities. Personally, I am asking for a brasonian consulate in Wallawaukee, only because I consider it as a nice place, not saying that Ohunkagan or Lake City are not nice places, hehehe. And, sure, Ernestpcosby could say "no" to this my requirement if he thinks brasonians are not a reallistic big comunity in his city or region. Also the countries owners should follow some logic. Francophone countries obviously would be welcome to look for a consulate in Bas Chanceaux; Nordic inspired countries could look for a consulate in Insumah, etc -- BMSOUZA (talk) 14:20, 15 August 2019 (CEST)
I added the list because I think it’s useful for two reasons: first, it will provide foreign nations with a list of mappers they should reach out to if they want to build a consulate without having to (1) look at the map, (2) find a city to put a consulate in, (3) go to the Overview Map to see who owns the city, and (4) message them. Second, the list allows mappers who do not want consulates yet to say so; for instance, I’m not sure if Luciano is ready for people to start building modern consulates in 1880s Ohunkagan. I appreciate the work you’ve done to get the original list together, but I don’t want it to turn into a total free-for-all with other mappers adding consulates across the country uncontrolled. -TheMayor (talk) 14:38, 15 August 2019 (CEST)
On this regard I'm planning on asking for consulates mainly in the northern part of the country due to geographical proximity to Adaria, as these cities would probably have significant fluxes of Adarian people, both immigrants and tourists. Maybe even in states like Cosperica, of which Adaria is the closest neighbour, there might be multiple Adarian consulates in various cities, in a fashion similar of that of Mexico, but less extreme, probably (Mexico has 10 consulates only in California alone). --Martinawa (talk) 14:46, 15 August 2019 (CEST)

One thing I'd like to toss out there regarding this: if you're thinking about consulates, there are three most common reasons why a country would put one. 1) Citizens that go to those cities for work (relocation, domiciling, immigration) or tourism; 2) Economic ties such as key industries; 3) Proximity to multiple locations that can be served by a centralized location. Let's take Detroit for a bit. Some of its consulates fall into that first category fully with immigrant populations (Iraq, Lebanon, North Macedonia) and tangentially more tourism-based than population shift (Italy, Mexico). There are strong economic ties between Detroit and the countries of Canada, Italy, and Japan. Economic ties with Mexico are also fairly strong due. The Mexican consulate also serves as a regional office for not just southeastern Michigan but also Ohio, northwest Indiana, and to some degree the Windsor area in Ontario. It's a location that really is a hybrid of all three reasons.

I point this out, because if there are going to be a lot of immigrants from Country X to the FSA, where are they coming from? For example, Mauretia is not hugely populous (~11 million) and quite far away. Most of its immigrants would have been during the early 20th century when things were greatly improving in the homeland. There's not a lot of incentive much later. Remember that people typically relocate for economic and political reasons—meaning there must be some major incentive to leave everything behind and relocate. (I know; my family has done just this in immigrating to the United States.) Most of our countries are mapped in a way (wealthy, politically stable, no wars, no racial or ethnic tensions, etc.) that would eliminate most of these reasons for migration. So, if you want a huge expatriate population in the FSA, think about what would cause this. I've limited my expatriate Mauro population, and my country's story has plenty of reason to leave. Lastly, the economic ties between our countries and the FSA that might prompt a consulate are limiting. Are all of our corporations that big and a small group of countries really dominating a field that strongly? If everyone is as wealthy and each country has hundreds of multinational corporations, then something will have to give here, too.

Just a few things to think about. (Crossposted on forum entry). — Alessa (talk) 15:39, 15 August 2019 (CEST)

If you ever need to visualise the Template:MER-overpquery. I opted for the named ones only. --Aiki (talk) 15:53, 15 August 2019 (CEST)
And the same for real-world USA: /wangi (talk) 18:23, 15 August 2019 (CEST)
I undertand the points taken by TheMayor, and, as part of Admin Team, I fully respect TheMayor as FSA coordinator. But I still think the better way is asking the owner of a state to create a building or even a single node to use as consulate. As user of OGF for some years, I see that, if some FSA state owner insert his main cities in that list, he/she is giving a green light to any user owner of a country to edit in his/her city - sometimes it will be a nice thing, but also sometimes the country owner will create a gigantic building, in a main location, and later will start creating a "Little MyCountryName" to justify it, and soon will be asking to edit the history, mentioning his immigrants as so important part of the culture of this state. Well, as said, I respect that list and I will no more talk about it, but I still prefer to talk with a city/state owner before creating a consulate (right now I am looking for brasonian ones. Later, I will look for few ones to my other countries). -- BMSOUZA (talk) 23:20, 15 August 2019 (CEST)
I may not actually need to explain this here, lol, but part of my justification for the (small) Freedemian consulate in Wallawaukee is that a lot of Freedemian companies' Archantan headquarters are in the Wallawaukee metro area (mainly Brighston, but Wallawaukee seems like the more reasonable location for the consulate). Megamer Games of Archanta (akin to N*nt*ndo of America) and Stepstone Technology FSA are two of the biggest ones. There's a good amount of economic links. --Ernestpcosby (talk) 03:57, 16 August 2019 (CEST)
Just to make sure, after reading the table, not all lower-than-embassy diplomatic missions have to be a consulate general, especially in smaller towns. For further understanding, you may refer to the Wikipedia article which explains it quite clearly. For an-OGF example, Guai has an embassy in Campo Verde but a regular consulate in Baía Azul. In Broceliande, it has an embassy in Valoris, a consulate general in Troie which watches over the plain consulate in touristy Tassia. --Aiki (talk) 13:39, 16 August 2019 (CEST)