Collab talk:Suvuma

In this page, we will discuss a few important topics for the progress of Suvuma, including language disposision, Capital Layout and main highway and railway infrastucture

Highways and Railways

Below, I have annexed my idea for the distribution of main highways and secondary highways around the island, together with railway infrastucture, as you can see, I have proposed that the railway infrastucture doesn't connect, the reason behind it is considering the colonial past of Suvuma, where the two colonies would not have a unified reason to have a railway line from the southern half to the northern one.

Enter below your proposals and opinions.

A basic highway network for Suvuma. While I have not drafted a railroad network yet, I do have some ideas in mind. As for the handful of disconnected trunk roads interspersed throughout the country, I based it off an idea about a highway expansion proposal that was either unfinished, stopped abruptly, or never received enough funding to be completed. Let me know your thoughts. Geoc3ladus (talk) 17:04, 1 March 2025 (UTC)

I really like this proposal, although I think Suviliana should be fully connected to at least one of the other major cities with a motorway. I particularly appreciate/support Port Thunder being fully disconnected from anywhere else. --User:Lithium-Ion | [1] (talk) 18:34, 1 March 2025 (UTC)

Thanks for bringing that up. I'd like to clarify that I hadn't found any in-depth discussion about how recent Suviliana was built, or if it's still being built as of present day. That's why I have the highways surrounding Suviliana as dashed lines. Hope that clears any confusion! Geoc3ladus (talk) 20:58, 1 March 2025 (UTC)

I like the proposal, but I assume the northern part of the island would be denser with population than what the map suggests, and I agree with Lithium in the fact that at least one major city should be connected to the capital through highways. Davieerr (talk) 17:06, 4 March 2025 (UTC)

Discussion

I think the railways being separate could work. Perhaps there were efforts post-independence to connect the rail lines, but due to the lack of developments and the high costs of transporting people across the island, which perhaps won't see much demand, such efforts were abandoned. Besides, it's likely the rail lines were built mainly to transport goods than people. It's even possible many of the rail lines got decommissioned in favour of new roads and developments.--Zhenkang (talk) 06:31, 27 February 2025 (UTC)

Completely agreed about these proposal (highway and railway). I like to compare it to Amazonia and Pantanal regions, and seems realistic to me. -- BMSOUZA (talk) 12:10, 1 March 2025 (UTC)

I second the concept of two separate networks: Suvuma is contemplated as a developing country with very low population density in its central section. If no economic reason demanded it (mining, plantation), I can't see why money and men would have been wasted in cutting through the rainforest on hundreds of kilometres. For railways, I'd assume they would have been built using the Cape gauge, the British equivalent to economical metre gauge. Though half its size and way more populated, Sumatra scattered network, located roughly at the same latitudes, may give some ideas on how Suvuma's own one "should" look like. --Aiki (talk) 01:40, 2 March 2025 (UTC)

Yes Aiki, I believe what you are proposing is the best example of what we should do reguarding rail infrastucture in Suvuma. Davieerr (talk) 17:06, 4 March 2025 (UTC)

I like this idea, but I think this map should not be representative of the final freeways within cities. E.g. some cities may need ring road freeways or other things in the future. In addition, I think the highway system should be called the Trans-Suvuma Highway System, with an east leg, west leg, and central leg (the leg formed after both merge). datmapper (talk?) 21:00, 25 March 2025 (UTC)

Language

iiEarth proposed this map of linguistic influences over, I will ask everyone to give their opinion of this map to see if it is a consensus.

I never know much about languages but this looks good, I'd just like to propose that perhaps some of the Papuan languages could be used especially in interior areas. --User:Lithium-Ion | [2] (talk) 02:56, 27 February 2025 (UTC)

I think that this map is great! Maybe there could be some kind of pidgin between those northern languages and Ingerish? --Kyunzi (talk) 11:58, 27 February 2025 (UTC)

Lithium, about adding Papuan languages, I believe that having 3 different language families in Suvuma might be a bit of overload, so I ask you to clarify how we would introduce Papuan Languages. Kyunzi, refering to your idea of Pigdin, I do believe that Ingrean would be the oficial lingua franca of Suvuma, so there might be minority pigdin languages in each region. Davieerr (talk) 20:04, 28 February 2025 (UTC)

Hi, how does the proposal for a batch of Dravidian languages in Suvuma coexist, derive from or integrate with the same languages in North Archanta?

/wangi (talk) 10:50, 1 March 2025 (UTC)

Mapping in one or more of the many Papuan family languages could be quite a trial. Even Enga, the most spoken one, hasn't a lots of online resources. It would be rather hard to produce unique place names. Though Pidgins such as Tok Pisin are more widely spoken, it seems official maps and OSM use only English. --Aiki (talk) 01:40, 2 March 2025 (UTC)

Agreed Aiki, Papuan Languages are hard to use for lack of resources, I would assume one day Papuan languages might be introduced as a isolated family elsewhere, but I don't see a reason to add it in Suvuma.Davieerr (talk) 17:06, 4 March 2025 (UTC)

Sorry to raise this again - but how does the proposal for a batch of Dravidian languages in Suvuma coexist, derive from or integrate with the same languages in North Archanta does need to be addressed, to ensure cohesion. It might mean we remove those languages in North Archanta. /wangi (talk) 11:48, 14 March 2025 (UTC)

Hi wangi, sorry for not answering your question initially. I incorrectly thought that North Archanta only had Malayalam and Tamil. Would it be possible to remove Dravidian languages from former Commonia? Malayalam seems to exist in Malayar, and Suvuma could include Kannada and Telugu (I'm not sure about Tamil, I'll talk to Davieerr). Does this sound viable? --IiEarth (talk) 16:07, 14 March 2025 (UTC)

Well, Wangi, if you believe that even if we take out Malayalam from Suvuma, it wouldn't make sense to keep Dravidian in there, we can always discuss about having the north part of the island be Sinhala, which is spoken in Sri Lanka, please let me know what you believe would be the best course of action. Davieerr (talk) 20:46, 14 March 2025 (UTC)

I'm not coming from a position of experience here on the language families, just trying to look out for cohesiveness.

Currently we have Malayalam (AR823, Tamil and Kannada (AR924) called out at Collab:North Archanta.

If this project moves forward with the languages per map above, or those currently noted in the collab docs ("Telugu Would be the dominant Dravidian Family, with Malayalam and Telugu being minorities on the northern tip of the island"), then what is plausible to keep in North Archanta? /wangi (talk) 10:56, 18 March 2025 (UTC)

@Wangi actually I kinda hoped to propose shifting most of the Indian languages (or at least, their "origin") from former Commonia to southern Uletha given the distribution so far there, and I think having Malayalam, Tamil and Kannada over to Suvuma makes the most logical sense. In Northern Archanta, given the general theme of Southeast Asian (Austronesian like Malay, Austroasiatic like Vietnamese) and Sino-Tibetan languages (particularly Chinese), I might propose Laotian, Cambodian and Thai. It's also possible that also some of Tamil, Malayalam and Telugu could remain in Northern Archanta due to migrations and cross-cultural exchanges.

Maybe also instead since these are blue territories, an assortment of Asian languages is possible, instead of trying to restrict to a specific language theme.

A new proposed map of North Archantan language distributions.--Zhenkang (talk) 12:39, 18 March 2025 (UTC)

Planned Capital

Below, I open the discussion for proposals of the planned capital of Suvuma, Suviliana. Located in UL33e-12

This is partially more just a starting observation, but considering the central location that seems to be in a place that otherwise would be sparsely populated and not in any major language group, seems worth thinking about how that might have shaped the choice for the capital, when it was placed there, and the style of design/architecture/planning that followed. Seems like the location/setup would be heavily influenced by the political and cultural realities of the country. Ernestpkirby (talk) 03:09, 27 February 2025 (UTC)

It also depends when the capital is built. To me it seems likely to be built some time post-independence, as a "neutral" location to try unite the island and bring more developments into the interior, like how Indonesia is planning to move its capital to one of the less developed islands.--Zhenkang (talk) 06:27, 27 February 2025 (UTC)

If we are to take the linguistic map into consideration, Pembasa and Khoris were both very centered on the Dravidian side of the island, and probably the most populated, shifting the capital to a more central and less populated region to take into account both cultural regions. Davieerr (talk) 20:06, 28 February 2025 (UTC)

Possible Izaki - "Japonic" influence on Suvuma

I am following the developments on Suvuma Island with interest. Let me share with you a possible contribution... I imagine that Izaland and all the soon to be Japanese nations were important trading nations, like the Netherlands with the East Indies. In fact, Izaland still has Equatorial Izaland in central Archanta. As you can see on the attached map, I was thinking about some possible commercial colonization by Izaland and the Kingdom of UL30c (which used to control the entire southern block of S.E. Uletha, from Belphenia to Yosen). These cities on Suvuma would have served either as intermediate stops for trade to Tarephia and S.W. Uletha, and also for the exploitation of some local resources (rubber, spices, etc.). I am only thinking of some post cities, similar to Goa in India or Malacca in Malaysia for Portugal. So today the linguistic influence would be close to zero, but some Izaki/Japanese influences in architecture and urban design could still be present. What do you think? --Izaland Terramorphing Committee (talk) 09:51, 1 March 2025 (UTC)

This definitely looks very cool to me! A city(s) like Goa would be very interesting and I totally support the development of the history in this direction.--User:Lithium-Ion | [3] (talk) 18:58, 2 March 2025 (UTC)

Izaland, I like this proposal, if we analize the history of influences over in the Pacific we will see things like Han and Japanese both influencing over the Taiwan, Okinawa region and replacing the austronesian populations. Though I understand the influence is more recent. Pembasa and Khorys are the major cities in the region, but I can see mid-sized cities in the east coast that had their peak during Japonic influence.Davieerr (talk) 17:06, 4 March 2025 (UTC)

I actually hope, if Bai is resurrected, that Bai might also have established outposts on Suvuma as well. It's possible though that Bai first set them up, then after it abandoned its colonisation efforts, then Izaland took over them.--Zhenkang (talk) 02:25, 5 March 2025 (UTC)

Climates and Mapping Styles

Above, my proposal for a climate map.

Are there any ideas regarding the infrastructure mapping style(s) to be adopted in Suvuma, be they inspired from a real-world country/region, a mix or something novel? They would need to take into consideration the availability of water and the most commonly grown crops, especially in rural areas.

The existing mapping seems to imply the presence of a mountain range acting as a natural barrier between the main forest and the eastern coast, reminiscent of northern Peru, while parts of the west (UL33e-13) are undergoing deforestation. This means that, prior to the mass southward expansion of agriculture, the rainforest might have reached as far as UL33e-10. I suggest that, while this area might contain a significant population today, it would have sustained a much smaller one than the north and the eastern coast before ~1960. Still, even in the present day, most people here would live in rural settlements.

Climates

Af: tropical rainforest climate. Found in much of Indonesia and Malaysia.

Plantation-centered development would be prevalent in the populated parts of Suvuma's inner rainforest.

Am: tropical monsoon climate. Found along coastlines and places like southern Thailand.

In Suvuma, this would probably be more densely populated than the rainforest, but still quite isolated, as suggested by Geoc3ladus' highway map.

Aw: tropical savanna climate. Prevalent in central Thailand and South India.

Most Suvumans would live in areas with this climate; I propose that historical villages and towns serve as cores of development for most new urbanization here, with new homes being built more or less organically (though perhaps on a grid) around them, instead of following transportation routes. There remains a question of how densely populated these territories would be: perhaps similar to the Indian State of Odisha (269/km2)?

BSh: hot semi-arid climate. Common in north-eastern Brazil and South India.

Potentially contentious, but I think this would be an interesting addition.

Cwb: subtropical highland climate. Present at high elevations and on plateaus, for example in the Western Ghats.

Such places would be some of the most isolated in Suvuma but with pleasant temperatures year-round and in potentially strategic locations if trade on the eastern coast were to have been significant prior to colonization. Differences in mapping may be apparent due to stark cultural differences between peoples living here and those in the lowlands.

--Mtejku222 (talk) 16:09, 23 March 2025 (UTC)