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UL30a - CPG (officially used as an acronym in all languages without extended form)

	Physical geography
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The CPG is characterised by diverse topography. The country itself lies in the transition zone between Temperate and Subtropical yet still has a handful of microclimates. The CPG has two coastlines. One in the west (flat and fertile) and the other in the east (cliffs and windy). A whole archipelago of islands extends from the west coast.

The country features meadows, hills, lowlands, massive mountains, boreal zones as well as gravel beaches and hillside landscapes.

Many of its political borders (national and international) are natural boundaries that formed identity, neighbourhood.

The north-west is characterised by a huge boreal plateau that had been populised quite late. The north-east is a flat plain that is disturbed by a single unactive volcano. The entire southern border to the peninsula is mountanious, creating chokepoints regarding travel and traid with nations on the peninsula. The centre of the country is hilly and quite lush.

Topomap and political division of the CPG

	Human geography
	A brief description of the territory demographics, economic development, land occupation, infrastructure and mapping style

The CPG has around 91.000.000 inhabitants. Demographics can be measured at the provincial level, but at the national level they are extremely polycentric/decentralized. The provinces, with the support of the current regime, control migration flows among themselves. The average age of the population is very young compared to other countries, considering the civil war in the 1970s.

Among the "normal" provinces there are six explicitly designated economic provinces which prohibit any permanent population und workers have to commute daily. These are subject to state secrecy and off-limit for foreigners.

All CPG infrastructure is state-owned. It is redundant, parallel, and regularly maintained. The state railway "CPGVKE" for example has a monopoly on everything: they control trains, ferries, bus services, gondolas and sometimes even public elevators.

Paradoxically the CPG is now completely non-aligned politically, seeks dialogue with every nation possible (prefers bilateral agreements instead of multilateral ones), and is today a major economic and export power with a digitised everyday life featuring digital identity, direct democracy, and an entire internal market.

	History & culture
	A brief description of the intended culture and language

The idea of the CPG began at the beginning of the 17th century. A hostile group called Kørci terrorised the region, and the CPG was one of the ways to respond to them. This is where the foundation was laid for the secular society that the CPG is today. The military union expanded rapidly in the first few years, as many initially skeptical nations/principalities also fell victim to the Kørci, and numerous wars with bordering nations that denounced the CPG as blasphemous further expanded its territory. What was "just" a supranational military quickly became bonding, shared worldviews, and a growth of identity and pride.

In the mid-19th century, discussions began among the members of the loose military union to create a nation-state. However not every member was enthusiastic and some felt betrayed. When the nation-state was founded in 1853, some states remained sovereign, but the united military persisted. When the Kørci Wars ended in 1868, the military union was dissolved and the states that stood sovereign established their own militias.

The CPG centralised aspects such as basic requirements for each province, transportation, border security, and supplies, while leaving issues like morality, education, and the type of administration to the provinces. Even then, it was a regional power.

In 1911 the dictatorship began which transformed the nation. Monetary policy was standardised, plus responsibilities for infrastructure and education. The provinces lost some or all of their autonomy. The regime played heavily on the idea of security and had a wall built along the entire national border. People were counted, defined, and reduced to workers.

The CPG established itself as a nation that spent many resources on foreign policy. Numerous treaties were signed with foreign actors, benefiting only the regime while ordinary citizens suffered. The regime began to transform in the 1960s: ministers and other high-ranking officials became increasingly irrelevant and much of the de facto power and implementation came from abroad. The CPG was effectively administered from abroad. Many citizens lost everything, famines broke out, and travel bans were imposed.

In 1972 the dictator was assassinated by his own finance minister and within hours the civil war broke out. Private individuals and citizens had access to private arsenals stemming from the tradition of conscription, which is why the war spread like a wildfire. The war lasted three years and was effective: foreign actors fled the country, their property was expropriated and foreign production facilities were destroyed.

The 1976 constitution forms the basis of the current nation, although some aspects from the dictatorship have been adopted. Basic services such as social welfare, housing, finances, and education are now centrally organised. Since 1976, the only form of employment is civil servant status and the CPG is the only legal employer. The society has shared experiences, shared desires, discipline, and a sense of responsibility.

The CPG has 14 official languages but no lingua franca. (Those languages consist of real life languages 1:1 but with a different name (e.g.: Hungarian/Magyar which in the CPG is Fedulenish/Fedulőő), and others are conlangs my creation. (Some real languages are: French, German, Hungarian and Japanese))

	Past mapping
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Some of my mapping on OGF can be seen here:

https://opengeofiction.net/#map=12/13.8174/-112.3077&layers=5

https://opengeofiction.net/#map=18/-9.26997/168.46953&layers=5

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Buuj (talk) 13:52, 18 March 2026 (UTC)

Hello, I have several concerns with the latter portion of your application. Firstly, as of now, there is a regional concensus as of now that UL30a is heavily influenced, if not once directly ruled by Kyouwa, or UL30c up until its collapse in around 1290 that spreads as far as Ugawa and Taira. There would've also been a union in the region between various UL30 region between 1850 and 1929 that emerges again, this time stretching further into Yosen, the country directly south of UL30a. There are also heavy Asian influences to the east as well, as UL30a shares a border with Kojo. It would be significantly unclear to see how, given these circumstances, how French, Hungarian (a Uralic language), and a number of other languages would have ended up coalescing in your country for such a long time, let alone forming a union with a heavily centralized government with no lingua franca. I should note that the UL30 area in general should be targeting Japanese, as mentioned here as well. - ParrotMan (talk) 09:04, 19 March 2026 (UTC)
Hello ParrotMan, thanks for the remarks and for pointing out the implications my application has with the regional consensus. I've been aware of the geopolitical circumstances. Yet, I have some points: In my canon, Japanese is one of the official languages as a compromise I made due to the fact that the region is supposed to be (east) Asian-ish. The south-east of the CPG is planned to consist of a Japanese-speaking region. And when it comes to French: It's only on my mind and in the canon because the previous mapper of UL30a called their country "Ataraxia", which was French-speaking (as of my research), and that got approved, too. In fact, I've planned a province in the CPG to be called "Ataraxia" as an honour/easter egg to the previous mapper. And yes, I composed a variety of Hungarian into the CPG, and here I adhere to verisimilitude: OGF is not planet Earth. And even though this region has a floor plan/consensus, the Uralic Magyars we know don't exist in OGF: Thus, I can create a reason why a language like this might exist, in-world ist something of its own, meta its Hungarian. The CPG itself is confronted with everyday identity-related topics in-world. And, let me compare it like this: in real Europe, Hungary also 'doesn't fit'. It's a linguistic and cultural island that learned to live with its surroundings, and don't tell me that just because this is OGF we have the power to 'make sense' is a rule we must accomplish 100%. Plus, I applied for this territory one year ago, which Leowezy reviewed, left (as I recall) positive (or at least interested) feedback on, but it failed because I was too new and failed to show sufficient mapping skills. I am aware of the paradox and lore-hole I create, but I see OGF as an opportunity to shape plans according to the reality of each neighbour. It's like real (geo)politics: Not everyone can have what they want exactly. I propose this plan/application in a kind of direct, maybe even a little ignorant way, and the story forms as you go. I really want this project to start, I put a lot of thought into that territory and kinda don't want to lose it. We, somehow, will make it work. Thanks for your time and concern. Buuj (talk) 11:27, 19 March 2026 (UTC)
Hello there, I wanted to share some things. Firstly, Hungarian does in fact already exist in OGF: Csanádország^∈^⊾^ƨ. Secondly, I want to commend you for the time and thought you have put into both the current and previous iterations of this territory application. While, yes, not everyone can get 'exactly' what they want per sé, I would invite you to take into account the time and effort your prospective neighbors have spent creating their own countries when imagining how your territory would influence/be influenced by others. - Geoboi (talk) 12:28, 19 March 2026 (UTC)
Hi Buuj, I appreciate your response. I still find it improbable that fourteen-something languages could coexist in UL30a. The earlier French-speaking country that once occupied UL30a existed before a concensus was made that the region should be primarily Japanese-inspired, and as the Axian peninsula matured over time, and as new countries have popped up in the region, there are some things that are highly unlikely as a result. I highly encourage you to revise your plans to better fit the region. Cheers, ParrotMan (talk) 13:28, 19 March 2026 (UTC)
Well, I see. I've re-read the canon, thought about the discussion we're having, and realised how blind I was to the fact of how invasive my idea actually is. Yes, I have planned that country for a year, and maybe that's the problem. I thought too much in isolation. I do not want to be the one to interrupt coherent storytelling just because my system makes sense in my head. I want to be part of OGF, no doubt, but I forgot that interactions with others genuinely exist. I might hold off on the idea for the CPG for now, actually. The CPG is doable, just where exactly? (Honestly, 14 languages indeed is overkill, yet that'd satisfy my hyperlinguistic brain.) I've made progress and gained experience nonetheless in mapping and have something to show now at least. Genuinely, thank you both for opening my eyes. My goal is to be part of a working and cohesive story; the CPG as it is now is preventing that, kind of being a parasite. I see OGF as a tool for adaptation. So I will either rework my idea for UL30a now, or you will see me on another continent. I need to think now. Thank y'all very much - Buuj (talk) 14:45, 19 March 2026 (UTC)

Hey there, first of all thanks everyone for having a civil and very respectful discussion. That is much appreciated. Buuji, I would also invite you to further revise your application: If you really want a multi-lingual territory, you might need to be willing to make a few compromises regarding location and/or languages. UL30a sits between Japanese, south Asian and Germanic language regions, so any intermingling of these three would seem reasonable, and maybe one could throw another language in there with some sound reasoning. But 14 languages (which you do not even name in full in your application) with no apparent logical connection between themselves and to their neighbours is very difficult to justify indeed. So, you could either think about which languages you really want to map in (don't underestimate how difficult it is to map in a foreign language) and then look for a sensible location, or look for a location and then think about languages that could realistically be present there. Your application is a very nice start and I would love to discuss the other points in it as well, but I think the question of language should probably be solved first. Feel free to share with us: what exactly inspired you to this number and selection of languages? Maybe we can come up with some ideas together. Best! Leowezy (talk) 20:20, 19 March 2026 (UTC)

Thank you, Leowezy! I agree, the CPG is some species of its own. ParrotMan and Geoboi definitely gave me the reality check I needed. I would now like to explicitly address the question regarding the nation's languages. To begin with, I am a massive linguistics nerd. I'm going to list all the languages as they are currently planned (no particular order): 1. fedulőő (Hungarian 1:1) 2. cfenyykon' (conlang with no relation to anything real, main goal was to maximise aspiration in phonetics) 3. übaak (conlang, direct sister language to fedulőő, basically a radical dialect shaped by topographic isolation) 4. ыакекон (conlang, kind of a Germanic styled isolated agglutinative thing) 5. ošmýrjná (West Slavic conlang) 6. deselēnmīt (my first conlang ever, no real world correspondence at all) 7. vraixlieuse (French 1:1) 8. азбокёз (French 1:1 but written in Cyrillic, and yes there are in-world disputes why French and French are considered separate languages) 9. Röpßaz (imaginative version of Alemannic German) 10. 三遷語 (Japanese in the southeast) 11. douwnf (another conlang with no real world connection) 12. vécarolagossé (conlang, isolated Western Romance type) 13. ødens (basically Dutch and Danish bend together) 14. podopostałki (Polish 1:1) I do have to admit, at some point this escalated. You can kind of see the evolution of it. Meta wise, the CPG started as a unitary nation with one language and one ethnicity, namely ыакекон (the application from last year even used that language for the name). Then it became a chain of "why not include this" and "okay but what about that". At some point it turned into "how many ethnicities does it take until this becomes hilarious but still werks". Still, I did try to keep some level of logic, like historical interaction and isolation and things like that. Regarding the regional consensus, I currently don't speak an East Asian language fluently. The most realistic thing for me would be to create a conlang in an East Asian style instead of mapping a real one. I am definitely willing to reduce the number of languages and also to specify things more clearly. The thing is, I'm worried that if I decide to choose a Germanic language, the environment might not allow it.if there are any more questions regarding the CPG, feel free to ask. Thank you very much for your interest. (I hope we figure something out)Buuj (talk) 22:02, 19 March 2026 (UTC)

Hi Buuj. I'm not sure how proficient you are in all these rw-languages and how developed your conlangs are already, but speaking as someone who is mapping in just one conlang, I can tell you it really takes a toll on your mapping speed, at least in urban areas with lots of things to name. I would imagine mapping in 14 languages is quite daunting and paraöyzing. I'd still strongly suggest to reduce the number of languages to a much more managable number. And again, like written in my last post: you can either start by choosing a location you like in terms of geography and then think about which languages are to be realistically expected in that location, or if your focus is on languages, choose a set of 3~4 languages and try to scout for a suitable location then. Hope that advice helps. Best! Leowezy (talk) 15:05, 22 March 2026 (UTC)