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As acting project coordinator for Valony, I have started a sandbox with some Valonian vocabulary that may be used in mapping: Valonian exonyms, names for religions, rivers...

For the following elements, having a Valonian equivalent has not been that easy. I'm proposing some solutions but others may well fit even better. Feel free to share your opinion, even though you're not well-versed in French:

Valonian exonyms

Archanta

Federal States

Based on US/American - américain/états-unien, should we have état-fédérien/ne and/or archantéen/ne?
--Aiki (talk) 03:14, 28 October 2024 (UTC)

Kartumie

Should we have Cartumie with a /y/ sound or Cartoumie with a /u/ sound?
--Aiki (talk) 03:14, 28 October 2024 (UTC)

I think Cartoumie sounds better than Cartumie (I've put "Kartoumie" streets outside Valonne already) but at the end, Cartumie with a /y/ sound will make it sound more valonian than Cartoumie so my choice will go for Cartumie. --Sweetykid (talk) 22:48, 29 October 2024 (UTC)

Tarephia

Novakia

Should we have novaque as we have Slovaquie/slovaque or novaquien? As Novakia is small and not a neighbouring country, it's rather unlikely we'll have a rue des novaques compared to rue des pléviens
--Aiki (talk) 03:14, 28 October 2024 (UTC)

Uletha

Astria

In French, V-S-C (where V is for vowel and C for consonant) tends to switch to V̂-C. Should we have Astrie or Âtrie? And consequently, should we have astrien/astrienne or âtrien/âtrienne? Note that we may still have Âtrie but astrien, or reverse.
--Aiki (talk) 03:14, 28 October 2024 (UTC)

Âtrie and âtrien(ne) both sound good to me. ⸺ Bixelkoven (talk) (West Uletha Admin) 19:47, 29 October 2024 (UTC)

I like Âtrie and âtrien(ne) too. --Sweetykid (talk) 22:48, 29 October 2024 (UTC)

Kalm

Kalm equivalent is rather tricky as the direct one would be Calme as in calm.

Using French phonetics, we could have: Kalm -> Chalm (as in caput->chef or canus->chien k->tʃ->ʃ) and later a palatisation of the l Chalm -> Le Chaum or Chaüm (as in saltus->saut salva->sauge al->aw->o) pronounced /ʃa.ɔm/, with a potential adjective chahomais/chahomaise.
A complete exonym as we have, IRW, Deutsch/German/Allemand/Tedescho...
--Aiki (talk) 03:14, 28 October 2024 (UTC)

Chaum sounds good, but Chahomais look kind of funny on the eye. Are there any potential corruption to make it appear simpler? Like Chomais? ⸺ Bixelkoven (talk) (West Uletha Admin) 19:47, 29 October 2024 (UTC)

Religions

Imamism

Should we have imamiste or imamique as an adjective equivalent to musulman?
--Aiki (talk) 03:14, 28 October 2024 (UTC)

Why not simply Imamisme, similar to Imanisme ?

Imperator (talk) 21:27, 29 October 2024 (UTC)

Ivarian

Should we have hibérain(e) (ɛ̃/ɛn or ɛn in South of France) or hibéran(e) (ã/an or ane in South of France) as an adjective equivalent to juif/ve - israélite? Likewise, should we have Hibérainisme or Hibéranisme?
--Aiki (talk) 03:14, 28 October 2024 (UTC)

If following trends in some other countries on OGF, we can have it get derived from the country of Ivira (Iviron). ⸺ Bixelkoven (talk) (West Uletha Admin) 19:47, 29 October 2024 (UTC)

Odonyms

Political system

IRW France, many main streets or squares are de la République. Though many Rue or Place Royale still exist in France, a lots of them have been "republically" renamed. If Valony is a republic, I'd assume many ways tagged highway: will be named accordingly. Should we consider Valony a republic?
--Aiki (talk) 04:56, 29 October 2024 (UTC)

Personally, I am fine with either a monarchy or republic. Republics are more common nowadays, a monarchy could make things interesting. Either way I think we can approach the street issue by just ignoring the 'republicanisation', so to call. I think it would be more interesting to have both the sense of historical monarchism and present-day republicanism coexist. ⸺ Bixelkoven (talk) (West Uletha Admin) 19:47, 29 October 2024 (UTC)

Public figures

Below are some names I've noted from places, mainly in Nemans:

Name	Surname	Profession	Dates
Auréline		Personification of Valonne (alike Marianne)?
Georges	Bêches
César	Binet
Lucien	Dalasque	Author	~1850s
Bernard	de l'Aïc
Edmond	de Remmeau	Philanthropist	~1880s-1920s
Léopold	Decazes
?	d'Estienne Tour
Léonard	d'Ouaisie
?	Ducelle
Alphonse	Durant
Michelle	Frochot
Philippe	Le Bon	Ruler
Roger	Le Grand	Ruler
?	Marbois	Marshal
Étienne	Ruau
Hippolyte	Sudreau
Arnoulet XII Maindedieu (Hand of God)	Lerlac (idea)	Emperor

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 === Kartumie ===
 Should we have ''Cartumie'' with a /y/ sound or ''Cartoumie'' with a /u/ sound?<br>--[[User:Aiki|Aiki]] ([[User talk:Aiki|talk]]) 03:14, 28 October 2024 (UTC)
+I think ''Cartoumie'' sounds better than ''Cartumie'' (I've put ''"Kartoumie"'' streets outside Valonne already) but at the end, ''Cartumie'' with a /y/ sound will make it sound more valonian than ''Cartoumie'' so my choice will go for ''Cartumie''. --[[User:Sweetykid|Sweetykid]] ([[User talk:Sweetykid|talk]]) 22:48, 29 October 2024 (UTC)
 === Tarephia===
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 In French, V-S-C (where V is for vowel and C for consonant) tends to switch to V̂-C. Should we have ''Astrie'' or ''Âtrie''? And consequently, should we have ''astrien/astrienne'' or ''âtrien/âtrienne''? Note that we may still have Âtrie but astrien, or reverse.<br>--[[User:Aiki|Aiki]] ([[User talk:Aiki|talk]]) 03:14, 28 October 2024 (UTC)
 :Âtrie and âtrien(ne) both sound good to me. ⸺ [[User:Bixelkoven|Bixelkoven]] ([[User talk:Bixelkoven|talk]]) (West Uletha Admin) 19:47, 29 October 2024 (UTC)
+:I like Âtrie and âtrien(ne) too. --[[User:Sweetykid|Sweetykid]] ([[User talk:Sweetykid|talk]]) 22:48, 29 October 2024 (UTC)
 ==== Kalm ====