Forum:Valonne/Valonian vocabulary
As acting project coordinator for Valony, I have started a sandbox with some Valonian vocabulary that may be used in mapping: Valonian exonyms, names for religions, rivers...
For the following elements, having a Valonian equivalent has not been that easy. I'm proposing some solutions but others may well fit even better. Feel free to share your opinion, even though you're not well-versed in French:
Valonian exonyms
Archanta
Federal States
Based on US/American - américain/états-unien, should we have état-fédérien/ne and/or archantéen/ne?
--Aiki (talk) 03:14, 28 October 2024 (UTC)
Kartumie
Should we have Cartumie with a /y/ sound or Cartoumie with a /u/ sound?
--Aiki (talk) 03:14, 28 October 2024 (UTC)
I think Cartoumie sounds better than Cartumie (I've put "Kartoumie" streets outside Valonne already) but at the end, Cartumie with a /y/ sound will make it sound more valonian than Cartoumie so my choice will go for Cartumie. --Sweetykid (talk) 22:48, 29 October 2024 (UTC)
Tarephia
Novakia
Should we have novaque as we have Slovaquie/slovaque or novaquien? As Novakia is small and not a neighbouring country, it's rather unlikely we'll have a rue des novaques compared to rue des pléviens
--Aiki (talk) 03:14, 28 October 2024 (UTC)
Uletha
Astria
In French, V-S-C (where V is for vowel and C for consonant) tends to switch to V̂-C. Should we have Astrie or Âtrie? And consequently, should we have astrien/astrienne or âtrien/âtrienne? Note that we may still have Âtrie but astrien, or reverse.
--Aiki (talk) 03:14, 28 October 2024 (UTC)
- Âtrie and âtrien(ne) both sound good to me. ⸺ Bixelkoven (talk) (West Uletha Admin) 19:47, 29 October 2024 (UTC)
- I like Âtrie and âtrien(ne) too. --Sweetykid (talk) 22:48, 29 October 2024 (UTC)
Kalm
Kalm equivalent is rather tricky as the direct one would be Calme as in calm.
- Using French phonetics, we could have: Kalm -> Chalm (as in caput->chef or canus->chien k->tʃ->ʃ) and later a palatisation of the l Chalm -> Le Chaum or Chaüm (as in saltus->saut salva->sauge al->aw->o) pronounced /ʃa.ɔm/, with a potential adjective chahomais/chahomaise.
- A complete exonym as we have, IRW, Deutsch/German/Allemand/Tedescho...
--Aiki (talk) 03:14, 28 October 2024 (UTC)
- Chaum sounds good, but Chahomais look kind of funny on the eye. Are there any potential corruption to make it appear simpler? Like Chomais? ⸺ Bixelkoven (talk) (West Uletha Admin) 19:47, 29 October 2024 (UTC)
Religions
Imamism
Should we have imamiste or imamique as an adjective equivalent to musulman?
--Aiki (talk) 03:14, 28 October 2024 (UTC)
Why not simply Imamisme, similar to Imanisme ?
Imperator (talk) 21:27, 29 October 2024 (UTC)
Ivarian
Should we have hibérain(e) (ɛ̃/ɛn or ɛn in South of France) or hibéran(e) (ã/an or ane in South of France) as an adjective equivalent to juif/ve - israélite? Likewise, should we have Hibérainisme or Hibéranisme?
--Aiki (talk) 03:14, 28 October 2024 (UTC)
- If following trends in some other countries on OGF, we can have it get derived from the country of Ivira (Iviron). ⸺ Bixelkoven (talk) (West Uletha Admin) 19:47, 29 October 2024 (UTC)
I'm not sure if 'Ivarian' is commonly used in OGF—Ibriyim seems a lot more common. Regardless, I recommend against the usage of either due to their clear derivation from עִבְרִי (ivrí/ibri)', the Hebrew word for 'Hebrew'. Such names are reminiscent of those from earlier OGF eras, and I'm sure we can work together to come up with a more creative name. --IiEarth (talk) 15:45, 30 October 2024 (UTC)
Odonyms
Political system
IRW France, many main streets or squares are de la République. Though many Rue or Place Royale still exist in France, a lots of them have been "republically" renamed. If Valony is a republic, I'd assume many ways tagged highway: will be named accordingly. Should we consider Valony a republic?
--Aiki (talk) 04:56, 29 October 2024 (UTC)
- Personally, I am fine with either a monarchy or republic. Republics are more common nowadays, a monarchy could make things interesting. Either way I think we can approach the street issue by just ignoring the 'republicanisation', so to call. I think it would be more interesting to have both the sense of historical monarchism and present-day republicanism coexist. ⸺ Bixelkoven (talk) (West Uletha Admin) 19:47, 29 October 2024 (UTC)
Public figures
Below are some names I've noted from places, mainly in Nemans:
| Name | Surname | Profession | Dates |
|---|---|---|---|
| Auréline | Personification of Valonne (alike Marianne)? | ||
| Georges | Bêches | ||
| César | Binet | ||
| Lucien | Dalasque | Author | ~1850s |
| Bernard | de l'Aïc | ||
| Edmond | de Remmeau | Philanthropist | ~1880s-1920s |
| Léopold | Decazes | ||
| ? | d'Estienne Tour | ||
| Léonard | d'Ouaisie | ||
| ? | Ducelle | ||
| Alphonse | Durant | ||
| Michelle | Frochot | ||
| Philippe | Le Bon | Ruler | |
| Roger | Le Grand | Ruler | |
| ? | Marbois | Marshal | |
| Étienne | Ruau | ||
| Hippolyte | Sudreau | ||
| Arnoulet XII Maindedieu (Hand of God) | Lerlac (idea) | Emperor | |
| The names below were created by me, | Mantan | for my towns: Vervanne & Septarbres | |
| Antoine | Vallebourg | Author | 19th century |
| Bernard | Tessine | Author | 19th century |
| Nicolas | Bonille | Author | 19th century |
| Rudolph | Laumer | Author | 19th century |
| Louis | Roullac | Author | 19th century |
| Victoire | Pommier | Author | 19th century |
| Albertine | Ramier | Author | 19th century |
| Gabrielle | Garcia | Author | 19th century |
| Leonie | Vaillant | Author | 19th century |
| Miriam | Eschberger | Author | 19th century |
| Jean | Piret | Author | 19th century |
| Alexandre | Dupont | Author | 19th century |
| Rosalie | Teyes | Author | 19th century |
| Cécile | Fleur | Author, pseudonym | 19th century |
| Yvette | Bertrand | Author | 19th century |
| Charles | Vernaye | Author, activist | 19th century |
| Silvain | Arthur | Author | 19th century |
| Amélie | Catou | Author | late 19th century |
| Alexandre | Chradon | Author, of Iviran origin | late 19th century |
| Jeanne | Modny | Author | late 19th century |
| Louis | Saint-Reiss | Author | late 19th century |
| Stéphanie | Martin | Author | late 19th century |
| Georges | Dupont | Author | late 19th century |
| Antoine | Lauzerbourg | Author | late 19th century |
| Jean | Saint-Guibert | Author | late 19th century |
| Pierre | Puleau | Author | late 19th century |
| Sophie | Thauvin | Peace activist | late 19th century |
| Marc | Hércourt | Peace activist | late 19th century |