Talk:Iman

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There is no RW-Allah in OGF?! How does "mostly popular in the southern part of Archanta" conform with the presence of the Federal States? Or where is this "southern part" located exactly?--Mstr (talk) 17:15, 30 September 2018 (CEST)

The name "Allah" here is open for a discuss. When I wrote it I decided to preserve it's original original name just to avoid accusation of twisting the God's name. Also I don't understand the question of "there is no RW-Allah". While I understand it's highly preferable to change the RW names in general, "Allah" means just God in Arabic so saying "there is no RW-Allah" is like saying "there is no God" which is obviously false because there is no doubt there are religions which have concept of monotheistic all-power God included in their beliefs in the OGF. The fragment "southern part of Archanta" predates creation of FSA about... a year and now should be precised and corrected. It refers to this part of the world where existed the only active "Islamic" nations in the OGF at the time it was written (except for Pasundan-Padjadjaran). --Rüstem Paşa Discussion 17:44, 30 September 2018 (CEST)
To avoid any misunderstanding, I never said that there is no Allah, please cite the whole sentence or nothing! With "Allah", I meant God in Islam, which I presumed was the meaning in the article, not Allah as a translation. So I won't discuss here if there is a god or not, if that was your intention in the way you've cited me. I respect RW-religions and their believers, that's one reason why I think we should not create OGF-equivalents with identical meanings and religious symbols. This would lead to many conflicts! There have been many discussions about that, with no final decision I think. In addition, I just wondered about the region. So if you are talking about Demirhanlı Devleti and Unesia, why are you not just writing Demirhanlı Devleti and Unesia?.--Mstr (talk) 17:56, 30 September 2018 (CEST)
By citing the "there is no Allah" I meant Allah (God) in OGF so RW have nothing to do with it. Just to be clear: In OGF there is consensus that the all-power monotheistic God exists because there are monotheistic religions which are parallel to RW Abrahamic religions. Also we (the owners of Islamic/Imanic nations in OGF) discussed the terminology used in the article and agreed that it should look like that. We are smaller group than owners of Christian/Christic nations so it was easier for us to create a consensus where there is a page stating that RW-Islam=OGF-Iman and with unlimited list of sects which users want to create. We do not want to precise things which would cause a conflict like holy places or detailed history. Also "Allah" isn't the name of God in Islam. An Arab (OGF Almukhtar)would always refer to the God as Allah whether is he/she Christian, Islamic or Jewish because it's the word meaning God and only reason why it appears in the article is to convince the readers/editors that Iman=Islam and to avoid repeating the word "God" constantly. I didn't use the countries' names because Iman is a thing also in Buildtion and Dagirmak Cumhurriyeti, in one moment it seemed that the religion would be present also in Muneig. But as I said before it should be precised now. --Rüstem Paşa Discussion 18:41, 30 September 2018 (CEST)
@RüstemPașa Honey I don't wanna repeat myself over and over again but I mapped mosques and other elements of the real world Turkish "Turquese" culture long before you've popped up on here, Mazan was a few years ago and is gonna be again soon the motherland of OGF Islam and also you'll find traces of Islam in other places which have been mapped before Demirhan, like for example Pasundan-Padjadjaran and most of these places. I don't know what Imam is but I've never agreed on that. --Stjur (talkOGF) 18:46, 30 September 2018 (CEST)
So you want to say that article about every christic denomination was discussed with all country owners who mapped a church? --Rüstem Paşa Discussion 20:21, 30 September 2018 (CEST)
Yes, everybody who cares about the religious identity of their country has their country's churches belonging to a specific christic movement they agree with. If they don't agree with any, some have created their own, some just don't get into that. The term Christicism has a long history on OGF and has been publicly discussed on multiple occasions like here and here. What you've done here is taking the OGF fate of the entire RW Islam, which was widely present on OGF before you came here and already has its origin in the OGF-Arabic homeland Mazan (Talk:UL137) (as well as other things like the Turkish culture and language which I first came up with here) in your own hands, without ever publicly discussing it with all the other mappers who map mosques around the OGF world. --Stjur (talkOGF) 20:53, 30 September 2018 (CEST)
That's why the article is written as unaffective as possible because I didn't want to affect others' mapping and culture, just create a wide frame with basic principles of Islam mentioned (which are accepted by all Islamic sects in the RW). Also I don't feel like an owner of the page. Wiki articles like that should be open for anyone to edit (because someone can't prohibit the other from mapping a Christic or Imanic country). It was planned just as a placeholder for OGF Islam to avoid redlinks. But as it becomes a real problem for community I think honestly about deleting it as a whole. Redlinks are not worth that much. --Rüstem Paşa Discussion 21:05, 30 September 2018 (CEST)
Well you've decided the name of OGF Islam by yourself and that's already a lot. About the sects, you can absolutely just focus on the Irfan part and leave the mother religion name blank for now.--Stjur (talkOGF) 21:15, 30 September 2018 (CEST)
Done. --Rüstem Paşa Discussion 21:21, 30 September 2018 (CEST)
Wait, sorry...so what is the OGF equivalent of Islam, then? Does Mazanic make sense if Mazan no longer exists? Also, how did this religion spread? In our world coastal trade was absolutely essential to the rapid spread of Islam, so to have it start in a completely land-locked country seems potentially problematic. I had planned Al-Kaza around the existence of an Imanish religion since it's in the equivalent of North Africa, but how could Mazanic have reached the area without passing through the Sathrian Empire (unlikely, since it seems to be an analog of the Christian Byzantine Empire) which completely blocks the land route? Whatever it's called, can we iron this out? There's an accepted OGF equivalent for Christianity, so we should have one for Islam, too. -- LW (talk) 20:09, 28 December 2018 (EST)
Today there is no equivalent. If you have enough time and will (I don't have) you can establish discussion about it and then we can establish a broad consensus. But I would like to wait until the region of UL114/137 which would be probably an OGF home for Islam (Arabic/Turkic peoples) will be reopened. Unfortunately I can't predict when it will happen (but I can say the things are in planning phase) because admins are very busy now. --Rüstem Paşa Discussion 14:53, 29 December 2018 (CET)