Talk:Uletarephian/Romantish languages

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Franquese and Garlian are closely related. PRETANY, Garlis, and Ísztianország are very close and probably shared a common language group. The Nortian Tribe of Pretany in my history was right up to the border of those countries. Many French spelling words in both countries with a Latin base. Ingerish wasn't spoken in Pretany until much later. Pretany is a bit of an ancient melting pot. Starting with the Pretanic language (from Kalm) and then the tribal languages, then Ingerish. Bhj867 (talk) 12:10, 9 September 2015 (CEST)

I understand all the explanation of the languages of Pretany. If you want to change something you can do it. The only thing that I don't understand is, if the Noritian language (indigenous tribal language of Pretany) is a bridge language between the current French language and vulgar Latin.--Kalh79 (talk) 21:32, 9 September 2015 (CEST)
You could consider it a bridge language. It started out as Latin, and ended in a bridge language between latin and French. Note on my map of Pretany, the older the (Nortian originated) town in northern Pretany, the more latin sounding the name. The newer Nortian originated towns have french names. Without further information from the history of Garlis or Isztianorszag from Joshi, it will be hard to decipher or go much further with it, in terms of origins. It is going to be difficult to explain by various countries, such as Alora, and Ardisphere, how the language moved from Pretany/Garlis to the far south in ancient times. I don't want to change anything, just noticing a similarity in geographical proximity and making conversation for future changes. Bhj867 (talk) 21:51, 9 September 2015 (CEST)
I don't see why it is difficult to explain Franquese (French) in any given country, as long as there is a plausible timeline for the movement of colonists or immigrant populations. The Franquese-speaking population in Northern Ardisphere is simply a matter of immigration - just like the vast majority of other languages in the country. Why do people speak French in Quebec? Louisiana? Haiti? Congo? People who spoke French went there.--Luciano (talk) 23:54, 9 September 2015 (CEST)
yes, I understand that. What I am trying to say is it will be difficult in getting everyone on board for that within their personal histories. Everyone has their own story on how their language developed in their country. Collaboration in that department may be an arduous task. For my country, there was a wave of Franquese speakers that spread out of Pretany in the 14th century with the wave of Catholicism. Maybe that will help people in their individual timelines. I clarified the origins of Franquese in Pretany for easier adaptation to other countries.Bhj867 (talk) 00:12, 10 September 2015 (CEST)
Anyway, no offence was intended, and I agree that everyone is underestimating the difficulty of creating a coherent collaborative history. Everyone has all these pre-conceived ideas, but they don't fit with other people's preconceived ideas. Compromise and a tolerance for minor discontinuities will be required. Are you aware you have competition for the claim for the Papacy, at Peritan City? That Garlis speaks a Romanian-type language (which is not as close to French as people seem to think - they are opposite ends of the Latin-based continuum)? That Kalh79 recently suggested Darcodia as the heart of the old "Romantian" empire? If we are going to be successful in collaboration on our world history, we all are going to need to pay attention to what other people have already proposed. I don't even know how to do this. Any ideas?--Luciano (talk) 00:56, 10 September 2015 (CEST)
No offense taken. The claim for the papacy? Wow didn't realize that. I have had that St. Richards was the start of the papacy since the wiki first happened. We started out making Western Uletha as the "Europe" of this world. With all timelines spreading from there. People do need to pay attention to each others histories or at least the overarching theme going on before they just start putting down anything. Once the Assembly of Nations started, a theme began to arise, where everyone needed to collaborate with everyone else. Nobody has followed that theme, making the WIKI histories a confusing mess. lol. We can't have a community of nations without an agreeance on our histories. The best thing I can think of is make a page with nominations, and put different historical aspects up to vote, which will be time consuming at best, and turn into a battle at worse. Best we just let everyone do their own thing and be done with it. No, I have a better idea. We should all have a community wide vote on whether or not to have an overarching global historical timeline with strict rules, or to have a free for all, that should put an end to the confusion once and for all. Once whatever is decided upon is set in stone, we strictly adhere to that. Bhj867 (talk) 01:42, 10 September 2015 (CEST)
Is it conceivable that the Romantian langauges spread throughout Uletha and Archanta either via a massive ancient-world empire that influenced even further via trade routes (like Greece/Rome/China)? It's plausible that the sea could be crossed in Iron Age boats and the settlers eventually spread into the Gulf of Archanta over several centuries. This would explain Romans and other languages in the area. Bear in mind that most European languages actually derive from proto-languages from India. The Mongols created Hungarian even though their homeland was 3000 miles away. To be honest, I have wished for a long time that I'd set up Karolia in Uletha - it fits the climate and culture much better. But when I joined all the suitable territories were taken (and then several subsequently became free...), so I had no choice but to pick the area I did.--Sarepava (talk) 01:38, 10 September 2015 (CEST)
@Sarepava Not sure if it would help at all, but the Great Pretanic trade route was available for movement of culture through the 7th to 11th centuries. between west and east Uletha. I would have to change the history of the Franquese Language a bit, but that wouldn't be a problem for me.Bhj867 (talk) 01:57, 10 September 2015 (CEST)
@Sarepava - just to put on my "admin" hat for a moment, if you're truly feeling frustration or regret about the placement of your country, it is not beyond question that it could be moved. This is not a small undertaking, but it is by no means impossible, either. Paxtar did so quite successfully, and recently Inretsk relocated to a more amenable climate. If relocating a country would both please its owner and improve the broad-strokes coherency of our world, I think it would be fully supported by admins. And currently, there are a lot of unclaimed spots on the map... bear in mind, too, that the grey "reserved" areas are essentially available, just that they are "on hold" pending some admin work on reparceling the territories, but for a well-thought-out claim for a country relocation, they could be made available.--Luciano (talk) 01:49, 10 September 2015 (CEST)
300x Here is a map of the Pretanic Trade Route for possible help in that matter. I have been waiting for someone to find an interesting way to utilize it in their history. Would be cool. Bhj867 (talk) 02:19, 10 September 2015 (CEST)
I agree with the ideas, but we should clarify the period of the Romantian Empire, where it develops and expands. In the wikiarticle Latin,the Romantian Empire develops in Darcodia and expands to West and South Uletha, thus the Latin language came to countries like Pretany, Garlis, Florescentia, Castellán. But we can change this history.--Kalh79 (talk) 10:38, 10 September 2015 (CEST)
I'm ok with that, but the spread has to be before 300AD or I have to rewrite a massive chunk of my history. I can describe the history of the Nortian tribe as coming from the west and settling in Pretany. The trade route wasn't established until the 7th century AD, so there would have needed to be a relatively large empire centered around Dracodia prior to 300AD.Bhj867 (talk) 11:26, 10 September 2015 (CEST)
PROPOSAL TO YIYI (Under discussion now on his page. We will figure this out guys) I made things a little easier. If you look at the Franquese language Page. The language appeared in Pretany after the Nortian Tribe migrated into Pretany from Darcodia sometime prior to the 300AD. (The first time Kalmish missionaries discovered the Latin speaking tribe.) In my history, Catholicism was a "Tribal nortian religion" which means it was brought over from Darcodia. A second papacy was then formed in Pretany, due to *insert unknown historial conflict between Pretany and Darcodia here*. At this point all we need is a holy land, a messiah, and a proper bible. I will leave that up to you. Darcodia must have been an empirical holy land at one point, with many waves of migrations out of the country dating from the BC era into the colonial era. In the colonial era, Franquese, from Pretany and Romans, from Darcodia, spread out simultaneously to the southern continents, but under two different circumstances. I may be able to make a map with the different waves of migration from Darcodia to different countries color coded by date. My suggestion is make Peritan City/Darcodia the holy land, the setting of our fictional "bible". During the time of the formation of the second papacy. Duke Beglidere, from Garlis completely invaded overthrew the Inaran Nation and formed the Kingdom of Pretany in 1374. The Papacy and many temples were formed and built in conjunction with him fighting for the "ethnic rights" of the Nortian Tribe, which is an interesting twist I had already added to my historical timeline without me even noticing it could play into our joined histories. We could possibly say that the Peritan City Papacy was offended by such a move and may have caused a crusade and war between Peritan City and Pretany that ended in a stalemate and led to a permanent split of the church.talk) 12:46, 10 September 2015 (CEST)